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<Matt|home> o\
<the_oz> o/
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* kof673 places a perfectly balanced light as a feather ) on the alchemy scales
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<the_oz> >:(
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<Ermine> a bios update almost killed my laptop it seems
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<zid`> only almost, shipped and worked.
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<Ermine> no, bios self-healing kicked in
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<pog> wish my bios would self-heal :(
<zid`> how does it feel
<zid`> to treat your bios like you do?
<pog> when you've put your update on it
<pog> and bricked it very hard
<pog> zid we could be a mean 80's parody writing team
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<fedaykin> a special update to increase shareholder value, we brick your device, you buy a new one
<fedaykin> win-win
<fedaykin> you get a new toy, and we get the money, lol
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<the_oz> I got a xune as a present
<the_oz> first thing it did was erase all music on it
<the_oz> It would've been surprising that it patched into an infinite loop in the bios and literally turned into a brick but no one uses them in the first place because it was a piece of garbage in the first place
<the_oz> fucking figures
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<geist> oh do you still have the xune? they'r epretty valuable now
<nikolar> I guess they aren't as worthless as he said
<geist> well if nothing else for retro kitchy vibes
<geist> walking around with a zune would be hella hipster
<the_oz> no I trashed it
<the_oz> it deleted itself out of usefulness
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<netbsduser> to all to whom these presents shall come, greeting
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<demindiro> Hello, I see on the UEFI page that "UEFI executables are regular PE32 / PE32+ (Windows x32 / x64) images". Does this mean that the firmware will automatically enter long mode (and is this guaranteed)?
<gog> yes
<demindiro> Neat, thanks
<gog> i have a bit of experience working with it if you have any other questions
<demindiro> How difficult would it be to create an UEFI application entirely from scratch? i.e. assembly with a custom assembler and no external libraries.
<gog> more annoying and tedious than difficult
<gog> i use all C code and no external libraries
<gog> mostly C code
<demindiro> Shouldn't be too bad then. I'm intending to use a self-designed language and bootstrap everything from there.
<gog> as long as the firmware thinks it's a PE32+ UEFI application, it'll try to load it
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<Shaddox404> Question: To integrate an AI on an OS level, how safe is it (in context of Windows and Copilot)? Is it possible to get Copilot to delete System32 directory or something?
<the_oz> I got bitten by the eve online bug where I had a dual bootloader which triggered an edge case that deleted system32. I don't think it's possible anymore though because write protection but I'm just a luser with windows innards wrt that
<Shaddox404> I see, thanks
<heat> >how safe is it
<heat> it's not
<heat> hth
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<the_oz> *+
<the_oz> +
<heat> obviously, depends if you actually integrate the LLM with your OS or if it's a glorified chatbot
<heat> but even glorified chatbots can tell you pretty harmful stuff soooooo
<cloudowind> they banned use of deepseek at government computers today in australia
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<the_oz> open source code must be dangerous from CHY NA
<the_oz> *meanwhile...*
<the_oz> it's got intel inside!
<the_oz> omg stolen intel
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<cloudowind> is it fully open source?its not
<the_oz> I thought it was
<the_oz> my mistske
<cloudowind> no , some bits are but not the whole
<cloudowind> as far as i know
<cloudowind> but as you said it wouldnt matter even if it was open source , you have a good point there
<heat> it's hosted online on chinese servers
<heat> what great idea it is to pipe government data to magic_chatbot_hosted_in_a_foreign_country_that_collects_your_data
<heat> (and yes, it collects your data, read the T&C)
<Ermine> Xi has personal access to deepseek collected data ofc
<the_oz> lets send voter ballot data too!
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<heat> Ermine, do you think the CCP can't get its hands on the data?
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<the_oz> arpanet is a surveillance panopticon?! NEVER!
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<Ermine> heat: probably it can, but it's more likely that their intelligence agency does that
<heat> well obviously
<heat> it is a one party state after all
* cloudowind is dreaming about a civilization where every nation came together , o total agreement no more weapons nothing , only work together towards the other planets and galaxies
<the_oz> dreaming of totalitarian utopia there bud.
<the_oz> because that's the only way to implement it, a world order
<cloudowind> every individual could have like 10 planets on their own ... there are billions of stars planets out there we do fight for a little land and for our differencies here.. anyway time to do some work , you fellows have a beautiul restful night
<the_oz> seeya
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<Ermine> it's utopian
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<Ermine> nobody is going to give up their sovereignty
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<the_oz> wcgw?
<bslsk05> ​www.youtube.com: - YouTube
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