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<geist> hey
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<the_oz> howdy
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<nikolar> oi
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<geist> hola
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<kof673> aloha-en
<kof673> aloha and Aloha and ALOHA
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<klys> boy howdy
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<bslsk05> ​www.youtube.com: - YouTube
<geist> haven't actually watched the earlier ones, picked it up at this chapter
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<vai> hi all
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<sortie> Hello vai I am amongst all
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<chiselfuse> "If a link editor encounters sections whose headers contain OS-specific values it does not recognize in the sh_type or sh_flags fields, the link editor should combine those sections as described below."
<chiselfuse> how often is it the case?
<chiselfuse> https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/elf/gabi4+/ch4.sheader.html#sh_link:~:text=If%20a%20link%20editor%20encounters%20sections%20whose%20headers%20contain%20OS%2Dspecific%20values%20it%20does%20not%20recognize%20in%20the%20sh_type%20or%20sh_flags%20fields%2C%20the%20link%20editor%20should%20combine%20those%20sections%20as%20described%20below.
<bslsk05> ​refspecs.linuxfoundation.org: Sections
<chiselfuse> for context ^
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<heat_> chiselfuse, not often
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<bslsk05> ​paste.rs: Source Code | BT500 | Rocket Powered Pastebin
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<chiselfuse> why is the 4th LOAD segment here set to be loaded at 0x000000000005aa90 instead of just 0x000000000005a000?
<chiselfuse> afaiUnderstand, it should be at least 0x5a000 because the previous segment ends at 0x5954c and they need to be aligned to 0x1000
<heat_> Loadable process
<heat_> p_offset, modulo the page size
<heat_> segments must have congruent values for p_vaddr and
<chiselfuse> heat_: do you know the reason for this?
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<heat_> yes
<heat_> mmap can only map page-aligned addresses and page-aligned offsets
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<heat_> and mapping some data twice to save a little bit of disk space is smart
<heat_> gog, openohio rizzler jimmy fallon no cap on god bruh
<chiselfuse> i had the impression you were older than to use this language
<heat_> you're never too old to rizz up livvy dunne
<gog> heat is baby gronk
<GeDaMo> You're assuming that heat_ knows what that means :P
<the_oz> >like a millenial cares about late night show hosts
<chiselfuse> how old is a millenial?
<the_oz> especially talentless ones like jimmy fallon
<bslsk05> ​britishcomics.fandom.com: Gronk | Albion British Comics Database Wiki | Fandom
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<the_oz> this is a man that could have been a comedian with a great launchpad in SNL, if only he'd stop cracking up and actually playing the damn parts
<heat_> wrong gronk buddy
<chiselfuse> few days ago i went to the barber for the first time (i know) and this friend of mine spoke to the barber to get him to give me what i later found out to be the so called bussin haircut
<heat_> >went to the barber for the first time
<heat_> what
<GeDaMo> Presumably their mum was giving them a pudding bowl haircut up to this point :P
<chiselfuse> i'd either shave it off manually or my mom would give me a hair cut + had a 5 year long hair period
<chiselfuse> GeDaMo: yea lol
<heat_> oh lord
<chiselfuse> time to become more human with the bussin haircut and going outside and stuff
<heat_> yes
<heat_> detroit become human
<heat_> hopefully you're not in detroit
<GeDaMo> Since Covid, I just run the clippers over my head every so often myself
<chiselfuse> other part of the globe
<the_oz> Chili bowl haircuts was my childhood. Even though mom was a stylist
<heat_> during covid i had the idea of just shaving it all off but never got to it
<the_oz> partying like the rizzler, gatt, no suss
<the_oz> skibidibi yo
<the_oz> dop dop dop yes yes yes yes
<chiselfuse> heat_: do it soldier
<heat_> i kind of like my hair and i dunno if i'd look good anyway
<chiselfuse> you never tried it?
<heat_> no
<heat_> i've asked the barber for the same thing for a looooooong while
<the_oz> I like shaving my own hair and leave the beard. But I am a cheapskate
<the_oz> just attack it with scissors
<chiselfuse> i'm not the "you have to try everything in life" type at all but this is a bit ridiculous imo
<heat_> no it's not?
<heat_> people usually pick a style they like and stick to it
<chiselfuse> come on, you have to see the shaved monkey in the mirror at least once in your life
<gog> i need a trim
<gog> it's all in my eyes again
* Ermine gives gog a piece of cheese instead
* gog is fascinated
<the_oz> emocheese
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<zid`> gog: Your eyelashes sound crazy
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<bslsk05> ​paste.rs: Source Code | sglnb | Rocket Powered Pastebin
<chiselfuse> heat_: I have one more question, did the last LOAD segment get virtual address 0x3de8 instead of 0x2de8 because it must have different rwx permissions in memory than the previous settings? If yes, then if the 3rd and 4th LOAD segments both had the same required rwx permissions, would the 4th load get virtual address 0x2de8?
<chiselfuse> s/settings/segment/
<bslsk05> ​<chiselfuse*> heat_: I have one more question, did the last LOAD segment get virtual address 0x3de8 instead of 0x2de8 because it must have different rwx permissions in memory than the previous segment? If yes, then if the 3rd and 4th LOAD segments both had the same required rwx permissions, would the 4th load get virtual address 0x2de8?
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<heat_> 1) yes
<heat_> 2) possibly, frankly i don't see why the segment's offset is pushed up that high, it all depends on how the linker would lay things out
<vai> yo
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<chiselfuse> heat_: >frankly i don't see why the segment's offset is pushed up that high
<chiselfuse> heat_: what do you mean? in the case where they have different permissions, there is no other way but to push it to the next page, or is there?
<heat_> sure there is
<chiselfuse> what's the other way then
<heat_> you can map the same file region twice, with different permissions
<chiselfuse> heat_: i don't understand. can you tell me this in terms of what change you would make to the paste i posted?
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<heat_> LOAD [addr 0x1000, offset 0, size 0x100, RW]
<heat_> LOAD [addr 0x2100, offset 0x100, size 0x100, R]
<heat_> this is perfectly okay
<chiselfuse> is this LOAD [address to be loaded to in memory, offset in file, size to get from file, permissions] ?
<heat_> yes
<heat_> ofc it all depends on how the linker is laying out output sections
<chiselfuse> heat_: but that's exactly what happens in the paste i posted
<heat_> that last LOAD segment doesn't match that logic for some reason
<chiselfuse> the 4th LOAD is at 2de8 and gets loaded to 3de8
<chiselfuse> so in effect you're loading from address 2000 twice
<heat_> yeah but there's a gap between 0x2de8 and the last segment
<heat_> that's what i'm talking about
<heat_> the segment before it that is
<chiselfuse> yea idk why
<chiselfuse> let me look at hex dump
<chiselfuse> nothing, all 0s between them. not even a section covering that space
<chiselfuse> .eh_frame ends at 0x2120 and .init_array starts at 0x2de8
<chiselfuse> i wish there were a graphical elf viewer or something, i didn't notice there was a lot of space there just by looking at numbers
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<heat_> i don't know why you care
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<geist> heat_: STOP JUDGING ME
<heat_> what
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<Ermine> NTOSKRNL
<heat_> KENRAL
<nikolar> KORNL
<geist> heat_: KARNAL
<fedaykin> k
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<heat_> korn.
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<nikolar> KRNL
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<the_oz> I'm currently compiling a custom freebsd kernel and I forgor to -j <cpu_count> but I have no idea how far along I am
<the_oz> because derp
<the_oz> no really freebsd docs I totally love staring at text
<the_oz> :|
<nikolar> ?
<nikolar> just ctrl-c and re run make with -j
<heat_> the freebsd build system is hilarious because that just doesn't work
<nikolar> :|
<heat_> you need to pass a special option to allow it to incrementally build, without rebuilding the whole fucking world
<the_oz> fml
<nikolar> that's silly
<nikolar> why isn't the default the other way around
<the_oz> this is why I treat it like voodoo
<the_oz> because I have to
<heat_> use KERNFAST=1
<the_oz> "don't do anything unexpected because it will blow up and it's eyesight is based on movement..."
<the_oz> *throws rice at heat_
<the_oz> >>> Kernel(s) LOCUST_LORE built in 2847 seconds, ncpu: 24
<the_oz> ok maybe it did? nfi
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<geist> 2847?
<geist> oh hah, i see -j1 yeah
<the_oz> cool, i forgot ciss driver anyway so lets try again. on the other hand nvme drives are recognized by the bootloader...
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