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<kof673>
according to google: EPOLLIN/inotify/signalfd/timerfd/pidfd are all linux-specific eventfd/aio_fildes are posix of some stripe
<kof673>
i'm not saying people should wait for posix to "catch-up" but ...."standards" so many to choose from
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<adev531>
hello! anyone online?
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<GeDaMo>
Kids are so impatient these days :/
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* goliath
always imagines somebody walking into a pub, yelling "hello, anybody there?", immediately walking out again
<zid`>
goliath: I like to imagine the help vampires asking dumb questions on arcane mailing lists / irc channel as like people walking into a university lecture hall while a presentation is happening, and then badgering the lecturer
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<netbsduser``>
mlibc/m68k is merged now
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<nikolar>
neat
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<Ermine>
\o/
<nikolar>
/o\
<kof673>
⚷ > known as the Hourglass Nebula, a spiralling, funnel-like shape near its centre.
<nikolar>
netbsduser``: is there any powerpc hardware you could run it on
<netbsduser``>
nikolar: i don't have one at current but i'd be targeting g3 powermacs probably (preferably the cool beige ones, but the blue-and-white ones are more common)
<heat>
i booted into windows today to do some stuff/update it, and it helpfully auto-rebooted me into linux. thank you!
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<Ermine>
Windows endorses linux?????
<Ermine>
(Happens to me when windows wants to reboot during upgrade process)
<nikolar>
heat: how kind of winodws
<heat>
windows is forcing me to use linux
<heat>
literally 1984
<Ermine>
news from the future: linux auto-reboots into freebsd
<heat>
thats what the second amendment is for
<kof673>
i appreciate the jokes, but again..that was when there were states and hence state militia :D federal citizens only is the official modern system :D grab a snickers, long wait :D
<kof673>
you step in the stream, the stream has moved on...
<Ermine>
> state militia --- self-contradicting phrase
<heat>
the freebsd thought police will never make me use kqueue
<sortie>
Hi heat
<heat>
sortie
<nikolar>
hi heat
<sortie>
heat: Are you worried the reason Sortix doesn't have epoll is that I'm going to implement kqueue?
<heat>
no, i'm worried you won't implement kqueue and i'll have to agree with you on a syscall!
<sortie>
heat: To be honest. I feel torn. I hate that this is the case between Linux and BSD where there's no common ground here besides ppoll
<heat>
the good common ground is select
<heat>
hth
<sortie>
I see good parts about both interfaces and parts that I don't like
<sortie>
select is finite trash and you know it
<sortie>
You keep this up I'm going to add a warning to Sortix libc on compile when you invoke select
<nikolar>
lol
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<Ermine>
I've posted my first linux kernal patch
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<sortie>
Ermine: woohoo
<sortie>
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<heat>
onyx kernel CLEARS
<Ermine>
?
<nikolar>
What did you patch Ermine
<Ermine>
virtio gpu driver
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<heat>
what the heck is wrong with the time management?
<sortie>
Sorry? It should be correct enough based on my testing so far. Did I need to go nanosecond precision? Of course not, but I did overachieve.
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<heat>
sorry, i might've been rude there
<heat>
it's just... uh, a little weird?
<heat>
the while(true) loop
<heat>
can't you just the convert the thing to a timestamp and while (clock_nanosleep(...) == -1 && errno == EINTR); it?
<Ermine>
for(;;) > while(true)
<netbsduser``>
i think it's so it can give you a countdown
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<sortie>
It evolved a bit that way to have the right semantics. Basically it's designed to send a message immediately. But it doesn't get a new timestamp when doing so, because that might round the initial duration downwards, like shutdown +60 should say 1 hour, not 59 minutes. Then based on the frequency for the current remaining time, it rounds that down by the current frequency, and waits until that time comes for the next message.
<sortie>
heat: Do be nice. The correct reaction is usually ‘That's cool sortie’ even if you disagree with my conventions, but I do value your technical opinion. There's no need to handle EINTR here btw since all signals are deadly (they will be handled and then reraise themselves)
<nikolar>
Ermine: yes
<heat>
sortie, yeah i wanted to express my surprise but i realized it came off in the wrong way
<sortie>
Haha I do know you well enough to give you a lot of leeway but I do want us to be nicer to each other in our rivalry :)
<zid`>
no need to defend yourself heat, he writes if(0 <=
<sortie>
Now to write a wall(1). That's going to be tricky because I don't have a utmp mechanism or what it's called for recording logins, and it's pretty rude to write on other terminals, and I don't have a mechanism to inhibit it atm, and writing on terminals may block indefinitely which wall must not do
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<Ermine>
isn't it supposed to write on all terminals? Broadcasting important stuff isn't rude
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<sortie>
Indeed, root is an exception
<sortie>
Which is also a complexity to implement
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<kof673>
> by exploding your local transforming substation # well, you could have a shutdown option to cut power for a local or remote machine, that would be useful with the proper hardware
<kof673>
i.e. cut power to the machine itself, not just power off the machine
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<netbsduser``>
it's interesting that there are people here and in the wider osdev community (the discord etc) who are the staunchest soldiers of certain traditions
<netbsduser``>
the linux tradition, the solaris tradition, the windows nt tradition, etc
<netbsduser``>
but not ONE staunch soldier of the AIX tradition, for example
<heat>
there was an indian guy a while back that stanned IBM AIX
<netbsduser``>
that'll be because they outsourced aix there last year
* kof673
holds up cartoon of vim supporter and emacs supporter both strangling guy on ground screaming "notepad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" i suspect aix is like that somewhat j/k
<nikolar>
netbsduser``: i imagine that that's becauese no one actually has access to aix lol
<kof673>
^^^^
<kof673>
one can say same with say solaris, but they had free versions and x86. how about aix?
<kof673>
we can say same, why are there few ibm mainframe supporters
<nikolar>
solaris was used on workstations, plenty of people had access
<nikolar>
aix is basically a server/mainframe system
<kof673>
A: because they sue emulators, don't necessarily have a hobbyist edition, etc.
<nikolar>
which is much harder to access
<kof673>
there was x86 stuff i believe and others
<kof673>
but yes
<kof673>
ibm is ibm
<netbsduser``>
i suppose i just assumed that there is something of an aesthetic and technical evaluation going on when people decide whether their kernel will resemble linux, solaris, netbsd, nt, mach
<kof673>
there is surely, but path of least resistance...
<netbsduser``>
and i think without a doubt that must play into it, but AIX clearly much less well known
<kof673>
if someone adminned aix, they may be very familiar withi t, but likely if from their work life
<kof673>
*it *is
<nikolar>
and they most certainly aren't running it on any machine they have full control over
<netbsduser``>
i think about AIX about once every fortnight or so because i know that it's called one of the most bizarrely architected unixes and was written by mainframe people
<nikolar>
yeah i'd probably find interesting stuff if you dug deeper
<netbsduser``>
so there's that exotic appeal
<nikolar>
too bad it's ibm and information isn't exactly easy to come by lol
<kof673>
and i don't know about aix, but say...tru64, you cannot build a gcc cross toolchain, it needs native ld or something or other...minor thing, but i suspect slightly less "ports" without a cross toolchain, etc.
<nikolar>
i don't think a cross toolchain is a big deal
<kof673>
i mean you need it even to target it
<nikolar>
you can probably build gcc natively with whatever compiler it came with
<heat>
what gcc tho
<heat>
probably like gcc 3
<nikolar>
gcc 2.96 of course
<nikolar>
(jk, no clue)
<netbsduser``>
they are probably quite up to date on GCC, they had something called the FreeWare Toolbox
<kof673>
i still would like to see a distro that only exists to have cross toolchains for other systems
<kof673>
no other purpose
<netbsduser``>
RPM based and full of GNU stuff, i think they ported rust recently, but not first-class - there was a spectacular incident in a rust irc channel around that
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<heat>
<netbsduser``> that'll be because they outsourced aix there last year
<heat>
actually no, they studied IBM AIX in uni
<netbsduser``>
lucky for some, we never studied anything really