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<arno11>
Wizzup: sorry :) the answer was we can't set prio bellow 0 without root
<arno11>
*nice prio
<arno11>
and we can't use limits.conf: high prio only works with RT kernel iirc
<arno11>
(btw if i decrease prio to 2 or 8 from xsession, it works no problem)
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<arno11>
but i can't get why it works fine with mce
<arno11>
*increasing prio to -9
<arno11>
is mce running as root ?
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<Wizzup>
arno11: probably depends on how you invoke dsmetool
<Wizzup>
as which user
<Wizzup>
as yes, init.d will run as root
<Wizzup>
regardless of which service runs as root
<arno11>
apparently yes and Xorg ofc as user. so it makes sense, we definitely can't use --nice high prio option in both init.d and xsession for processes running as user
<Wizzup>
I don't think it matters that user the process runs as ultimately
<Wizzup>
what user the*
<arno11>
oops sorry my last answer was related to my own question
<arno11>
Wizzup: 'I don't think it matters that user the process runs as ultimately
<arno11>
you mean to use nice prio ?
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<Wizzup>
yes
<arno11>
ok but it matters iirc
<arno11>
you can only set prio between 0 and 19 without root
<arno11>
and between -20 and 19 with root
<arno11>
and it seems to be confirmed toying with nice in xsession and init
<arno11>
we already had the same issue with cmt_pulse btw
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<inky>
so in conversations now we have jabber gabble and jabber haze
<inky>
which works better?
* inky
wonders why bionic screen looks so gorgeous.
<dsc_>
use haze
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<donihalim>
greetings everyone :)
<sicelo>
hey ;-)
<donihalim>
any N900 user here? whats your setup and usecase?
<sicelo>
at present the 'biggest' N900 user is arno11 :-)
<sicelo>
but there are also many of us
<dsc_>
donihalim: yes, quite a few people :)
<donihalim>
hi sicelo, you are active here aswell :)
<sicelo>
yeah
<donihalim>
dsc_: just got this N900 few days ago, just curious how people use this device nowadays
<donihalim>
*typing on N900 running leste
<sicelo>
arno11 has ported some games to it. you can also make and receive calls when using Leste
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<arno11>
donihalim: hi, n900 user here. what do you want to know ?
<sicelo>
and here's arno11 joining - the most knowledgeable about use cases
<donihalim>
yes, just installing leste since this morning after bought a U3 sdcard. almost everything run smoothly
<arno11>
ok nice
<arno11>
sicelo: :P
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<donihalim>
hi arnol1 just wanted to know what people use N900 for
<arno11>
ah ok
<arno11>
i use it for almost everything, excepting 'modern' web browsing which is quite impossible
<donihalim>
i was planning to use N900 as secondary phone for chatting
<arno11>
ah nice
<donihalim>
i can use sms, matrix, irc and email just fine
<arno11>
cool
<arno11>
also sip, jabber, skype, facebook (not with all accounts) work
<arno11>
telegram works fine
<arno11>
even really fine
<donihalim>
as for browsing i mainly browse simple web found on wiby.me or from other web
<donihalim>
telegram really?
<arno11>
ok so links2 gui should be perfect for that
<donihalim>
i should try that
<arno11>
yes telegram-desktop :)
<arno11>
for msgs, audio msgs, file transfer, calls
<donihalim>
yes im using links2 and surf2 sometimes
<arno11>
ok
<arno11>
links2 -g is cool (use ctl+shift+N) to disable compo for better perfs)
<arno11>
for telegram: the config/settings are a bit tricky btw
<arno11>
but once ok, it runs fine and smoothly
<donihalim>
wait let me install telegram asap
<arno11>
donihalim: btw which leste img did you install ?
<arno11>
for telegram-desktop: first launch could be very very slow depending of daedalus or chimaera img
<donihalim>
240829 iirc, then dist-upgrade to devel
<arno11>
ok so chimaera
<donihalim>
newer than that just keep freezing
<arno11>
yeah that's known issue with swap
<donihalim>
what img are u using?
<arno11>
good to know for 240829
<buZz>
arno11: really only telegram-desktop?
<buZz>
i thought there was a telegram plugin for that thingy
<arno11>
donihalimi: use the last daedalus img actually
<arno11>
buZz: yeah but the plugin can only do messaging
<buZz>
oh right
<donihalim>
how is it compare to chimaera?
<arno11>
on tg-desktop, every functionalities work
<buZz>
yeah i use that client on my desktop
<buZz>
its fine, but its electron
<buZz>
so sucks big time
<buZz>
(on resources)
<arno11>
donihalim: compared to chimaera, perfs are quite similar excepting qt5 OOTB and swap is wrong
<arno11>
but with few tweaks that's quite nice
<arno11>
buZz: ah ok
<buZz>
its a bit sad that people release 'web apps' like this with electron, its a big waste of ram/cpu
<donihalim>
im still deciding on which os should i use, been testing pmos and sicelo give me great help on the process
<arno11>
ok great
<buZz>
i like how well rounded maemo is, it feels like a alternative reality sometimes
<buZz>
the phoneOS from a world where users actually wanted to use linux
<donihalim>
i had to bought u3 sdcard since my class 10 sdcard cant handle leste
<buZz>
in n900? bizar
<arno11>
yeah class 10 is really not leste friendly
<donihalim>
its 32gb sandisk extreme pro
<buZz>
just a bit slow perhaps, but how much faster can n900 access a faster card really? without overclocking the bus
<buZz>
quite sure i've used class10 cards for leste
<buZz>
well, on droid4 at least
<dsc_>
buZz: tg is not electron, but maybe you are referring to another client
<dsc_>
official one is Qt
<arno11>
buZz: for sdcards that's just a question of perfs with small blocks
<buZz>
oh gee? then why does it suck so much
<arno11>
u3 on n900 makes a huge diff
<buZz>
nice
<dsc_>
buZz: i'd say its a really fast client, they used QtWidgets (so not QML)
<dsc_>
anyway I dont use it, using the webif
<sicelo>
donihalim: i'm Maemo before pmOS. (although i've not made it official yet, i actually intend to exit as a maintainer in pmOS to focus on Leste and Debian)
<donihalim>
buZz: its really slow when i tried
<sicelo>
yes N900 is slow. there's no way it can get faster. but, still a very rewarding device to work on
<buZz>
sicelo: well
<buZz>
you could
<buZz>
'buy' that neo900 motherboard
<buZz>
:P
<buZz>
and get ever so slightly faster
<sicelo>
no, there's no neo900
<buZz>
they never produced any?
<donihalim>
sicelo: whoa thats surprising, i guess ill stick with leste for now
<donihalim>
since it already meet my needs
<sicelo>
heh, nice then :-)
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<donihalim>
arnol1: just finished installing tg, whats should i do next?
<arno11>
well, a bit long to explain :P
<arno11>
but first launch will be very slow
<arno11>
then you need to deactivate automatic img, audio, video download
<arno11>
also deactivate opengl stuff from settings
<sicelo>
sounds like you could/should make a wiki page for it one of the days
<arno11>
yeah i forgot to do it (as many other things btw)
<arno11>
donihalim: you must create a /.config/alsoft.conf file
<donihalim>
took around 2min to launc
<sicelo>
my focus is still the somewhat low-level stuff - e.g. i would like to help work on getting upower/mce to work with N900/D4 fuel gauge quirks
<donihalim>
so i have to sign in first?
<arno11>
donihalim: yeah and 2min is normal and will take around 40-60 sec for next launch
<arno11>
you can create the alsoft file first
<donihalim>
whats the content of alsoft.conf?
<arno11>
(it helps)
<arno11>
[general]
<arno11>
drivers = alsa
<sicelo>
arno11: btw i should also see if in daedalus we can import the latest iio-sensor-proxy ... that would enable screen blanking during calls on the N900 as well :-)
<arno11>
periods = 6
<arno11>
sicelo: oh yeah indeed
<arno11>
we also need to have a look @irtx btw
<arno11>
ah scratch that, we are still on 6.6
<sicelo>
i'll check the dependencies (iio-sensor-proxy). as long as the main libraries match what we have in daedalus, then we'll be fine
<arno11>
ok
<arno11>
donihalim: i forgot to mention that you should use long clicks in tg settings to avoid weird known app crash
<sicelo>
arno11: looks like we will be able. the libgudev version in daedalus matches, yay.
<arno11>
first 3-4 tg-desktop launches are complicated, then it is ok and smooth
<arno11>
sicelo: cool
<donihalim>
its $HOME/.config/alsoft.conf right?
<arno11>
right :)
<arno11>
needs reboot btw
<donihalim>
oh wait let me reboot
<arno11>
you can also renice -n -9 hildon-desktop, mce, systemui and Xorg after boot to improve responsiveness
<arno11>
*on each boot
<arno11>
(i really need to update some stuff in wiki)
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<donihalim>
The phone keep freezing...
<donihalim>
>you can also renice -n -9 hildon-desktop, mce, systemui and Xorg after boot to improve responsiveness
<donihalim>
I'll try that
<donihalim>
arnol1: whats the command exactly?
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<arno11>
donihalim: for freeze: check wiki and see if you have sdswap or emmc. you probably still have emmc swap
<arno11>
switch to sdswap to solve the problem
<arno11>
for the commands: sudo renice -n -9 $(pgrep Xorg)
<arno11>
same for mce, systemui, hildon-desktop
<arno11>
but first you should fix the freeze on boot
<sicelo>
mmm, we should ideally get these things fixed in the images themselves.
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<donihalim>
Ah yes I'm still using emmc swap, thanks for pointing it out, let me switch to sdswap
* sicelo
must test burning a new Leste image ... still rocking an old image, probably from beowulf days
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<donihalim>
arnol1: i see emmc swap is commented on fstab but i also see /swap, should i disable it after add /swapfile ?
<arno11>
could you share your fstab ?
<arno11>
apparently your fstab is ok btw
<arno11>
you already have sd swap with /swap
<arno11>
so no need to create a new swapfile
<donihalim>
0x0.st/8mpw.txt
<donihalim>
here's my fstab
<donihalim>
just added the /swapfile
<donihalim>
is it zramswap?
<arno11>
ok so you should comment the new /swapfile or delete it as you already use /swap
<arno11>
no it isn't zrramswap
<arno11>
*zramswap
<arno11>
so you meant that you got freeze on boot with sdswap (/swap file) activated and emmc swap deactivated ?
<arno11>
if yes, that's the first time i see this
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<donihalim>
yes, this happen every boot unless i let it sit for sometime
<arno11>
ah ok nice :P that's perfectly normal if it is not responsive for 1min after hildon-desktop appears
<arno11>
you should not click anywhere during this time
<arno11>
if it is unresponsive for more than 2min, something is wrong
<donihalim>
ah that make sense
<donihalim>
doing renice does make a different
<donihalim>
thanks again :)
<arno11>
yeah
<donihalim>
lets back to telegram :D
<arno11>
you can also set 500MHz for min freq
<arno11>
and use boost mode if you want (see wiki)
<arno11>
ok @telegram :)
<arno11>
to log on tg-desktop on your n900 you need the andro/ios app to scan the QR btw
<arno11>
(just one time)
<arno11>
then the app (and the phone) will be not really responsive until you deactive the settings previously mentioned
<arno11>
that's a real PITA to be honest
<arno11>
but once the setup is ok, it rocks. just the launch time is a bit long but you can keep the app always in background if needed with no problem
<sicelo>
wonder if those settings cannot be pre-seeded? don't they live in .config ? or it would overwrite them?
<arno11>
good question but iirc settings are not in txt file or so, but rather in weird format
<donihalim>
wait, i dont experience any lag even before disabling auto download
<donihalim>
but opengl already disable by default
<arno11>
ah ok i see
<arno11>
(that's the opposite on daedalus for the record)
<arno11>
with the proper alsoft file, audio msgs should work perfectly in both directions
<arno11>
same for calls but it works better with mobile data than wifi (but that's common issue with all platforms)
<arno11>
and ofc depending of wifi setup
<arno11>
animated stickers should also work fine
<arno11>
same for file sharing, even with big files like movies
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<arno11>
i tried, it is cpu heavy but it doesn't affect responsiveness too much
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<donihalim>
whoa im very impresed how well this turns out
<donihalim>
really, thank you very much
<arno11>
NP :)
<arno11>
glad to hear someone else has a rocking n900
<donihalim>
as a user im glad people still maintaining N900
<donihalim>
so im not really late to the party :D
<arno11>
donihalim: :D oh i forgot something important btw...transitions.ini file
<arno11>
(see wiki)
<donihalim>
many thanks arnol1, sicelo, and all :)
<donihalim>
let me check
<arno11>
you should lowering radius stuff in [home]
<arno11>
things will be smoother
<donihalim>
do i need reboot?
<arno11>
no it should be ok directly
<arno11>
*smoother when navigating through hildon desktop
<Wizzup>
donihalim: yeah we're working on making the n900 better through the work of arno, most of it just needs integration atm
<donihalim>
arnol1: it does make things smoother, anything else i should know? :)
<donihalim>
Wizzup: much thanks :)
<arno11>
hmm let me check but i think that's ok now
<arno11>
did you try boost mode btw ? (overclock)
<donihalim>
no i havent, does it consume more battery?
<arno11>
it is (just) useful now for some videos or psx emulator or stuff like telegram calls
<arno11>
no real battery impact honetly
<arno11>
*honestly
<donihalim>
i'll try it then
<arno11>
it is useful also for sip calls
<donihalim>
which govenor should i use?
<arno11>
ondemand is ok
<arno11>
but not perfect
<arno11>
with the tweaks you already have, boost doesn't make any diff now in term of overall responsiveness btw
<arno11>
just useful for cpu heavy stuff
<arno11>
and multitasking
<arno11>
i still try to figure out for almost 2 years now why i can easely overclock my fremantle to 1GHz-1.1GHz with no problem and not over 890MHz with Leste...
<arno11>
@1GHz on fremantle with no trackers and no blur, perfs are still amazing for a such old device
<donihalim>
which file should i edit to change the min freq?