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<kris_> aaa
<midfavila> progress is coming along now that i'm actually sitting down and doing something wew
<midfavila> just about all of the core packages for x86_64 for my new setup are good to go, save the native toolchain
<midfavila> i'm thinking i probably won't bother with the toolchain for arm and riscv. at least native.
<kris_> i just rebuilt a few things on my system with -march=native and -O3
<kris_> brain itchy i wanna fuck with something
<midfavila> recompile everything with -ffast-math
<midfavila> :3c
<kris_> nah the only things on my system built with any tweaked flags are musl and my kernel
<kris_> im mostly just playing with it at the moment, it would be easier for me to reinstall void from source compared to migrate to a fully source install now
<kris_> mfw selling some counterstrike skins
<kris_> which i think technically isnt even legal in the US
<kris_> for some weird reason
<kris_> i should probably be able to pay for the router build i want + a managed switch and a thinkpad t480 with what i get off of one of them
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<riteo> kris_: maybe just taxes
<riteo> no idea, maybe see how do ebay and shit work in the US and I think that will be fine
<riteo> (this isn't real advice wait how do I say that thing)
<riteo> (uhhhhhh IANAL yes that will do I think)
<kris_> dunno but im starting to get why people have bot farms for counterstrike
<kris_> i'm up... a fair amount just dumping shit skins ive been dropped
<sewn> counterstrike mentioned?
<kris_> yeappers
* kris_ is a sweaty tryhard
<sewn> whats your comp rank
<kris_> i dont wanna talk about it
<kris_> lmao
<sewn> your rank or cs
<kris_> i've dropped from 22k premier to currently 15k
<kris_> NA is flooded with cheaters
<sewn> woah waht is
<sewn> since when did numbers have ranks
<sewn> i mean ranks have numbers
<kris_> they don't in competitive but competitive is the new casual
<kris_> premier is the serious mode
<sewn> isnt premier just like
<sewn> a mode where the teams vote a map
<kris_> fwiw on cs:go i was supreme when the game got shut down
<kris_> so close to global i could taste it and then the game went byebye
<kris_> and yeah it is, that's the standard actually competitive mode now
<kris_> every 5,000 rating is a rank, you lose/gain usually like 300 per match
<sewn> whaaaaaaaaaaaa
<sewn> weird
<sewn> all i remember is iwas a silver :3
<sewn> but i play it like every millennia or so
<kris_> this game is kinda like my thing that i take irrationally seriously
<sewn> whats your steam :3c
<sewn> alpine linuxx
<kris_> i wanted void but all of the combinations of that are taken
<kris_> :c
<sewn> 4k hours on cs woah
<kris_> closer to 10k on all of my accounts
<sewn> i only have 10% of that..
<sewn> ok maybe i shouldnt add you youre too skilled
<kris_> i mean i don't take all gamemodes seriously
<kris_> competitive is my casual mode
<sewn> still beyond my league!!
<kris_> shut
<kris_> you can add if you want, idm playing competitive
<kris_> not right this second but yeah
<sewn> im doing so right this second
<sewn> lol your comments
<sewn> just all calling you a cheater
<kris_> yeah that happens sometimes
<kris_> it's an ego boost though so i leave them lmao
<sewn> i didnt expect to meet someone like you in a linux community let alone KISS
<sewn> it is my honor
<kris_> slight overreaction
<kris_> tbh i didnt expect to meet any gamers at all in here
<riteo> lmao
<riteo> I consoom
<riteo> on kiss
<riteo> I'm not joking that's why I love flatpaks
* kris_ loves flatpaks in general
<kris_> sandboxing is peak
<riteo> I can have steam on my dumb crazy OS, I think we all game here
<riteo> even dylan played minecraft
<kris_> i could go for some modded mc rn
<kris_> it's been a while
<riteo> I kinda gave up on that game
<riteo> could write an essay on it
<sewn> i would play mc if the people here did lol
<kris_> i pretty much only play cs and dayz these days
<riteo> lately I'm trying luanti with some weird games on it and it gave me that spark I didn't have in years
<kris_> i'm way past my peak on cs so i'm kinda slowing down with that
<sewn> i pretty much never play
<kris_> dayz is hard to find people to play with
<riteo> (said spark might also be influenced by the fact that I'm playing nodecore which is designed to be weird and new)
<sewn> is it a zombie game
<riteo> yes
<sewn> whats so good about it
<riteo> no idea I don't play it ask kris
<riteo> but I can see the appeal
<kris_> it's straight up survival
<kris_> pvp is the main thing for some but for me it's the survival aspect
<sewn> oh my it is expensive
<kris_> like you're *going* to starve to death until you learn where to check for food and otherwise
<riteo> yea sewn but I'm quite sure that game is going to last forever if you like it
<riteo> definitely looks like that kind of game
<kris_> you're *going* to die from getting sick and not finding antibiotics until you remember to wash your hands after beating a zombie to death with your fists lol
<kris_> and when you do die you start over 100% from scratch
<kris_> loot, fight people, survive, die and do it again
<kris_> it's what inspired unturned but unturned is a lot easier
<sewn> ill just stick with cs
<sewn> its too much thinking
<riteo> oh that's interesting
<riteo> I tried unturned for a very brief while
<riteo> yea sewn that's fair
<kris_> also gotta remember not to slide down ladders with no gloves or you'll cut your hands up :p
<kris_> yeah it's a game that is admittedly too much
<kris_> but ive never seen another game make me feel like i'm legitimately just trying to survive, it's incredibly immersive
<sewn> have you guys heard of ready or not
<sewn> its the only game i ever spent more than 20 dollars of my own money on
<riteo> nop
<kris_> is that the funny kick door down game
<sewn> isnt that rainbow six siege
<sewn> if not then yes
<sewn> i like it but i havent played too much yet
<sewn> i need to get back into playing games qwq
<kris_> if only r6s didn't require windows
<sewn> kris when are you fre
<sewn> also riteo do you have a steam
<riteo> yes I do
<riteo> no idea if it's private though
<kris_> ill be free in probably like 3 hours
<kris_> im curious how the ping is going to be for one of us depending on where you are in the world
<kris_> if you're wanting to play cs
<sewn> ive played with americans before
<sewn> lets just say one of us had to live with 300ms
<kris_> damn
<kris_> hows your network jitter lol
<sewn> idk
<sewn> what is jitter
<riteo> yea sewn just checked my steam is public
<sewn> sendd
<riteo> :P
<kris_> jitter is more or less just packet inconsistency
<riteo> oh god is obamna
<kris_> asking because i can hardly play on NA servers as is because my jitter bounces between 10-50ms constantly
<kris_> you guys probably don't want to know how my network is set up lol
<sewn> i do
<riteo> folks what do I do omaba is looking for me
<sewn> me
<kris_> the fabled triple nat setup
<riteo> no it's obama sewn
<sewn> what is a nat
<riteo> what an honour
<sewn> no someone just called me obama once in a cs game
<sewn> and i renamed it
<sewn> and i kept it for about 3 yhears now
<kris_> nat == network address translation
<riteo> ik sewn I was kidding :P
<riteo> it was very funny though
<sewn> what does a nat do
<kris_> funny little hack to compensate for ipv4
<riteo> sewn it makes your life miserable
<riteo> I'm not joking
<kris_> traffic hits your ip address, and then is translated to an internal one
<kris_> i have three layers of this behavior
<riteo> it breaks the end-to-end principle
<sewn> oh
* kris_ kinda likes NAT
<sewn> wait so why do you need it kris
<kris_> at least more than ipv6
<riteo> it makes direct ip connection hell if not straight up impossible
<riteo> I'm sorry kris_ I will not allow you to have this opinion
<riteo> NAT is wrong and must be burned down
<kris_> i'm daisychaining "routers" at the moment because i'm compensating for lack of proper vlan support and shitty circumstances
<sewn> what is vlan
<kris_> virtual LAN
<sewn> how is it different from regular lan
<riteo> it's a weird way of partitioning networks without separate cables
<kris_> it's fake
<riteo> it makes lots of fake lans
<kris_> i'm building a new router very shortly though so
<kris_> and getting an actual managed switch and some APs
<riteo> vlan is kinda ugly from what I've heard but it's something
<riteo> yay
<kris_> idk about ugly but it's "cleaner" than creating this separation with real hardware
<sewn> you can build your own router???
<kris_> yeah routers are just computers
<sewn> ive just used the one from my isp and it works i think
<kris_> i'm getting an hp t740 for this most likely
<riteo> sewn routers are just computers
<sewn> so nothing special
<sewn> but but
<riteo> yea
<sewn> how does it communicate with tha isp
<kris_> 4c8t first gen ryzen, 8gb of ram, probs like a 64gb ssd
<kris_> sewn the router typically isnt really what does that
<kris_> modem/ONT
<riteo> but also, like, there are protocols for that
<sewn> what about fiber optic connections
<riteo> depends on the medium I think
<kris_> fiber you usually have an ONT
<riteo> sewn: there are special transreceivers you stick into the router
<riteo> they do the modem
<riteo> (modulation/demodulation)
<kris_> anyway, shortly i should be good to go, i have some major annoyances with my ISP
<riteo> nice
<kris_> 1. can't port forward, 2. can't change DNS servers given via DHCP, 3. the equipment literally just sucks
<riteo> I mean "nice" for the shortly, not for the ISP issues
<kris_> and i have to support a lot of old devices and they wont let me drop from wpa3
<kris_> which is why i'm daisychaining routers, im using one as a wpa2 AP
<kris_> i just happen to *also* use this to segment my LANs
<riteo> for the wpa2 AP you can simply disable nat yk
<sewn> but why would you do all of that stuff does the isp networking not just werk
<kris_> no it doesnt just werk lol
<sewn> a
<kris_> anything but
<riteo> sewn ISP routers are mostly crap
<kris_> so yeah, 10 gig nic in the ryzen thin client and off i go
<kris_> not that i need 10g but why wouldnt i
<kris_> openwrt for now until a friend and i finish our router distro
<riteo> we bought this fucking €200+ thing that came with our offer, slowly paid in pieces (no idea about the word), and it sucks ASS
<sewn> aoh ok that makes esnse
<sewn> the router they give us is free
<kris_> we're paying like $30 per month for our isp box
<kris_> rental fee
<sewn> apparnetly its a gpon ont
<kris_> (and extra to get unlimited data)
<kris_> since that's not really a standard thing in the US
<kris_> 1.2tb per month isn't enough for me so unlucky ig
<riteo> wtf you doing with all that data kris
<riteo> 1.2tb per month is CRAZY
<kris_> i be seeding
<riteo> I see
<riteo> respect
<riteo> no idea what you're seeding but I suppose that's helping the commons
<kris_> trust me, if i had enough hard drive space id probably be uploading like 20-30tb monthly
* sewn sits with a 6tb hdd in their closet
<kris_> i just have two 8tb drives in raid 1 rn
<kris_> going to pick up a stack of 18tb exos asap
<kris_> probably 5 of them and throw them in raid 6
<riteo> oh god you're a data hoarder too?!
<kris_> seeding is related to that
<riteo> yeah in hindsight yes
<riteo> didn't think of that
<riteo> that's really cool
<sewn> whats data hoarding
<sewn> is it just collecting data for no reason
<riteo> kinda
<riteo> you archive lots and lots of stuff because it feels good
<riteo> and because it helps people
<riteo> like has it ever happened to you that your favourite video/something else disappears into the void for whatever reason
<riteo> and no more favourite meme
<riteo> hoarding helps against that
<sewn> oh weird
<sewn> oh interesting
<sewn> i like data hoarders
<kris_> really for me it's more a case of what comes down must go up
<riteo> yeah that's really good
<riteo> thank you kris_ for your service
<sewn> kris i just realized ive been listening to the wrong music to compare my hola and the vivace
<sewn> i started playing like actually high quality black metal and the soundstage is simply better, but its literally the exact same
<sewn> this is a weeeiiridd feelling
<kris_> high quality black metal??
<kris_> impossible.
<sewn> oh sorry i meant
<sewn> post-progressive black metal
<sewn> ..high quality
<sewn> i never listened to this band but i know their recording is high quality
<sewn> my goodness..
<sewn> oh interesting
<sewn> ok i guess the less bass = better soundstage apparently
<sewn> i picked up my ew200s, they hurt but i can make out the instruments easier lmao
<kris_> breakfast consumed
<kris_> sewn okay so little sooner than expected but i can play a match if you wanted
<kris_> which one of us is taking the 300ms ping pill
<sewn> you know steam decides that right
<kris_> questionable :p
<sewn> i was trying to figure out the best eartips and iems combination and experimenting with music atm but sure
<sewn> gotta install steam
<kris_> up2u
<sewn> wherae reu
<kris_> oh are u ready
<kris_> i gotta launch steam
<kris_> im on the game but on invisible so i can ghost people
<sewn> beh
<kris_> i guess i can go online if you want to inv
<sewn> na im gud
<sewn> it ok
<sewn> i find it interesting this one song is actually warmer and slightly muffled compared to a flac copy
<sewn> s/compared/on spotify compared/
<sewn> oh also i mean like you dont have to go online lol
<sewn> im currently updating cs
<kris_> all good i'm playing deathmatch until you're ready
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<sewn> kris_: steam wont let me message you
<sewn> tldr i gtg becuase ramadan iftar sorry ;w;
<kris_> all good
<kris_> sewn we won so
<kris_> afaik you still get credit for the win
<sewn> beh
<sewn> i just finished iftar lol
<sewn> also was fun playing
<kris_> all good
<kris_> yeah that was fun
<kris_> like 3 people ended up leaving or getting kicked other than you
<kris_> because they were cheating
<sewn> bleh
<midfavila> kris_ get a gubbermint isp >:0
<midfavila> also gm computer smoochers
<midfavila> fuck im so glad its the weekend
<sewn> hii
<kris_> gm
<kris_> midfavila since when gubbermint have isp
<kris_> xfinity has a pretty strong monopoly where i live
<riteo> hiii middddd!!!!
<riteo> computer smoocher is the cutest thing I've heard all week long ty
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<EliSoli> Hi. I need some help
<EliSoli> I'm a fresh KISS install
<EliSoli> and audio is not working on Firefox, but mpv works just fine
<EliSoli> can anybody help me on this? I'm not managing to fix it
<sewn> what's your audio system of choicr
<EliSoli> pipewire
<sewn> with pipewire alsa config setup!
<sewn> ?
<EliSoli> I actually just installed pipewire and alsa-tools. I didn't know I had to configure something
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<EliSoli> I enabled snd_hda_intel and snd_hda_codec_html in my kernel
<EliSoli> codec_hdmi*
<sewn> MPV has sound so
<sewn> check in firefox about system (I think firefox:config) which audio it is using
<EliSoli> there's no audio tab in firefox:preferences and firefox:config sends me to google
<EliSoli> oh my bad
<EliSoli> media.webrtc.capture.allow-pipewire is true
<EliSoli> is there a specific key I should check for?
<riteo> do you have pipewire-pulse running
<riteo> firefox IIRC does not use pipewire for audio
<riteo> mpv has native pipewire support so that would explain it
<EliSoli> I don't think so, let me check
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<EliSoli> ~ $ ps aux | grep pipewire
<EliSoli>  3314 eli       0:00 pipewire
<EliSoli>  3315 eli       0:00 pipewire-pulse
<EliSoli>  4242 eli       0:00 grep pipewire
<EliSoli> no difference
<riteo> mhhh
<riteo> what does mpv say when playing
<riteo> like, what does the terminal say, it should say what backend it's using
<riteo> perhaps it's using ALSA instead and IIRC firefox even deprecated it
<EliSoli> AO: [pipewire] 44100Hz stereo 2ch floatp
<phinxy> Have difficulties building pavucontrol, is there an alternative for pipewire?
<EliSoli> I use wpctl and amixer, I avoid using GUI
<EliSoli> @phinxy
<riteo> ncpamixer is a nice pulseaudio tui mixer
<riteo> EliSoli: so mpv is indeed using pipewire
<riteo> you could try setting the audio backend for mpv
<riteo> --ao=pulse
<riteo> see if that works
<riteo> or --ao=alsa
<EliSoli> [ao] Audio output pulse not found!
<EliSoli> [ao] Failed to initialize audio driver 'pulse'
<EliSoli> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
<EliSoli> --ao=also gives the same output
<riteo> welp then that's the thing
<riteo> if you run pipewire-pulse what does it say
<riteo> there's also the -v option
<EliSoli> let me restart my ui
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<riteo> aight
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<EliSoli> pipewire-pulse doesn't output anything
<riteo> mh
<riteo> even with verbose
<riteo> it should print something with that
<phinxy> Which program can enable an output sink in pipewire? Sound defaults to speakers/headphones but I'd like sound in my connected bluetooth speakers.
<EliSoli> I removed it from my start script and I'm starting both pipewire and pipewire-pulse in my terminal. pipewire-pulse doesn't output anything relevant when pipewire is already running, otherwise error ofc. With verbose it shows this: https://0x0.st/8jHw.txt
<EliSoli> phinxy have you tried wpctl?
<phinxy> ah, wpctl set-default?
<phinxy> Ill try.
<EliSoli> yes
<EliSoli> riteo I tried plugging my speakers here instead of trying with the TV's hdmi, and it works just as the same. no firefox audio
<sewn> your hardware doesnt matter if other programs output audio fine
<EliSoli> good to know
<EliSoli> I'm tired. I spent the whole day on this. I'll be back by tomorrow. Maybe we can find something in my other HDD which was working
<EliSoli> bye everybody. Good night to y'all
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<phinxy> wpctl has bluetooth speakers as default sink but cmus and firefox plays audio on built-in audio. Am I supposed to write wireplumber config files?
<riteo> sorry ElKowar I had to go AFK, goodnight
<riteo> crap
<riteo> meant EliSoli
<riteo> damn tab autocomplete
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