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asimov>
someone have a solution for mouting mtp devices in alpine?
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kris_>
asimov gvfs-mtp ?
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asimov>
is that for gnome?
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asimov>
i read about it and i think it is
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kris_>
it's not really "for" anything, it's for gvfs based file managers primarily
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kris_>
so things like thunar, nemo, nautilus, basically everything that isnt dolphin
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asimov>
i just need something simple and that works in cli
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asimov>
riteo: are you using mdev or udev?
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asimov>
i still trying to figure out why my pipewire don't work on kiss for screencasting but works on alpine
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asimov>
and the unique big difference is the device manager
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kris_>
is lol a person with their hands up
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kris_>
asimov portals are working right?
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asimov>
kris_: kinda
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asimov>
the problem is in pipewire core
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asimov>
portal-wlr says that
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asimov>
if it works for you
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asimov>
community is outdated
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sewn>
my pr to update portals isnt even merged
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sewn>
and hasnt been for 3 months
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sewn>
and testuser isnt here
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sewn>
my PR is also probably out of date fyi
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sewn>
also kris_, asimov just has a bunch of unsolvable and seemingly undebuggable issues
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sewn>
it works for everyone else but kiss doesnt like asimov for some reason:(
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asimov>
yeah kinda
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asimov>
i just dont know how this shit works in every other distro but not in kiss
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asimov>
but maybe i getting something wrong or forgetting something
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kris_>
hey, i mean, that is part of the fun
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kris_>
probably just some build flag set and/or not set somewhere
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asimov>
i think is more deeper
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midfavila>
nah it's definitely not part of the fun lol
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asimov>
or people here just are building too much things other than repo or community
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midfavila>
one of the things i don't miss about kiss is staying up until 0400 trying to troubleshoot obscure errors nobody else has ever had
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kris_>
yeah that's why i'm still running void
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kris_>
it's fun until you need to get something done
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asimov>
i think its fun
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midfavila>
i keep meaning to work on my distro more but things keep popping up and giving me an excuse to not
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asimov>
but not in this case lol
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midfavila>
well it's not that it's not good to do actually stuff
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midfavila>
i used kiss all throughout college
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midfavila>
it's just setting it up in the first place that sucks
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asimov>
i think setting up just the best part
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midfavila>
once you have a stable system that runs just the way you like, there's not much else that compares
<
asimov>
the problem is these errors
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midfavila>
but actually getting to that point is a pain
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midfavila>
idk maybe i care too much about stuff lol
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asimov>
alpine for me is good but this dev packages shit are not good
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kris_>
>care too much
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midfavila>
i get super stressed out if i even have like, harfbuzz on my machine
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kris_>
we all do, thats why we're here
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asimov>
need thousand of dev dependencies just to build dwl and customize
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kris_>
i get stressed out by some things as well
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kris_>
my last OCD episode was pretty bad and that was most of it though
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kris_>
all is well now
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midfavila>
yeah kiss is the ocd distro i think
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midfavila>
for better or worse
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midfavila>
semi-related
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midfavila>
i'm thinking i might get back into programming again and one of the projects on the table is patching links2 to use libtls
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asimov>
i think i will wait for glaucus get better
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midfavila>
would any of you care to help review possible patches?
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kris_>
honestly the main thing that trips me out now is using glibc, i fucking hate glibc
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asimov>
or make my on distro in the time
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midfavila>
use musl
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kris_>
but i'm fine on desktop for that now because i just compiled newer musl on void
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midfavila>
with musl-compat
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kris_>
since they're still on 1.1.24
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asimov>
maybe work in my own distro than kiss will give me better results
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midfavila>
the only thing i want to use that can't work with musl is cde
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kris_>
asimov i dont think the two concepts are different
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midfavila>
but like, it's cde, so go fucking figure. needs more work
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asimov>
midfavila patchs of what?
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kris_>
the only thing kiss gives you really is the package manager
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kris_>
and some reference build scripts
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midfavila>
asimov i'm going to try and patch the links2 web browser to use libtls
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midfavila>
so that you can build it without libre/openssl
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kris_>
i reference primarily alpine build scripts when trying to get shit working on kiss
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kris_>
right now the main issue for me is elogind
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midfavila>
afaik links is the only software i use that demands libressl
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midfavila>
so if i can just patch it then i can replace libre with bearssl
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midfavila>
but man could you imagine cde on kiss
<
midfavila>
that would be hot
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midfavila>
nscde is good but it's not the same
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asimov>
kris_: why need elogind?
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kris_>
some things i use just need it
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kris_>
i'm not happy about it but that's how it is
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kris_>
i use a handful of things from the systemd project, most notably their efistub and ukify
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asimov>
i just need portals to work too
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kris_>
until i write a replacement for ukify
* midfavila
puts a watergun to kris_'s head
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asimov>
the rest i can deal later with packaging or flatpak
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midfavila>
do you feel lucky punk
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midfavila>
must, comin' in here with your loginds
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midfavila>
i bet you use pulse audio or pipewire too
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kris_>
i use the shit out of pipewire because i use the shit out of wayland
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kris_>
pulse is ass though
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asimov>
i just need pipewire for bluetooth things
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midfavila>
i maintain that alsa is perfectly fine
<
asimov>
and portals
<
asimov>
but just one works lol
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midfavila>
alsa's docs suck though
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kris_>
midfavila pipewire also handles video on wayland
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midfavila>
>pipewire
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kris_>
you need it for screen capture
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midfavila>
>handles video
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midfavila>
the fuck
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kris_>
yeah its wild
<
kris_>
but thats how it is
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midfavila>
that's why i'm sticking with X
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kris_>
i need muh monitors to work
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asimov>
kris_ are you in kiss or void right now?
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kris_>
void, i don't have kiss on anything atm
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kris_>
void is basically my debian
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kris_>
ol' reliable
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kris_>
except i hate that comparison because it's not nearly as unstable or bloated or full of shit packaging
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midfavila>
yeah idk why debian is considered "old reliable"
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midfavila>
every time i've used it, it's been a pain in my ass
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midfavila>
*consistently*
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kris_>
more accurately it's my slackware
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kris_>
yeah debian is a massive pita
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midfavila>
i mean maybe debian was great back when its main competition was like
<
midfavila>
yggdrasil gnu/x/linux
<
midfavila>
or like
<
midfavila>
those linux distros that sat on top of dos
<
midfavila>
but now?
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kris_>
for what it's worth i'm not using gnome at the moment
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asimov>
and you midfavila?
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kris_>
which is an incredibly rare thing for me
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asimov>
what distro are you using?
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midfavila>
slackware because i'm lazy
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kris_>
slackware just doesnt make much sense to me
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midfavila>
slackware is gomfy
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kris_>
it's only minimal in the package manager department
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kris_>
to the point of being annoying to use
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midfavila>
well yeah that's why i'm working on my own distro
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midfavila>
bc it does include a crapload of stuff
<
midfavila>
but fundamentally slackware is comfy
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midfavila>
if you're super picky you can always install a subset of the standard packages
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kris_>
void is just a really good base for me to kind of turn into something else
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kris_>
i don't use any of their "defaults" really
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asimov>
slack is hard dependent of something? like core utils or libc
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kris_>
they only ship glibc
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kris_>
and im pretty sure only gnu coreutils but coreutils are usually easy to swap
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midfavila>
yeah they use glibc and gnu utils
* kris_
kinda likes gnu utils
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kris_>
dont get me wrong they're complete shit but everything else kinda is too
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kris_>
im curious about chimeras port of freebsd utils
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midfavila>
suckless utils are great except for when they completely break lol
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thomas_adam>
What about some of these language-specific rewrites of gnu-utils like the Rust one?
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kris_>
id be fine with that situationally
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kris_>
gnu coreutils are fine usage wise the code just sucks
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midfavila>
idk rust entryism still bothers me personally...
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midfavila>
but i haven't kept up with that in recent years
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kris_>
nothing has changed
<
kris_>
but i'm a golang shill as opposed to a C shill so
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thomas_adam>
Right... slap a coroutine around something and call it done.
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thomas_adam>
libmill is good for that in C.
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kris_>
i just rarely have an excuse to use something that isn't shell honestly
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kris_>
rarely == basically never
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kris_>
my day is going abundantly well so far, i woke up and immediately fell down the stairs
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thomas_adam>
Good Heavens. Are you OK?
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kris_>
yeah this is like a weekly thing for me
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thomas_adam>
Oh, that doesn't sound pleasant at all.
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kris_>
efficiency, it takes longer to walk down compared to fall down
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thomas_adam>
Sure, joking aside, I presume there's a reason for this though.
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kris_>
yeah the stairs are a hazard
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sewn>
midfavila: pipewire isnt sound only
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