00:05 <riteo> a

00:56 <kris_> a

05:43 <sad_plan> a

05:51 <kris_> ae

06:46 <sad_plan> https://novacustom.com/ this seems mildy interesting. reminds me of the framework, minus the modular IO

06:46 <sad_plan> I though of you kris_ when I saw it

06:46 <kris_> ive heard good things about novacustom

06:47 <kris_> some of them have the intel ME disabled

06:47 <sad_plan> yeah, techlore recently made a video about it

06:47 <sad_plan> you can indeed, because of coreboot

06:47 <kris_> yeah i intend on either corebooting or librebooting my t480 once i get it

06:48 <sad_plan> its also *repairable*, like the framework laptop

06:48 <kris_> libreboot is probably simpler though so we will see

06:48 <kris_> and having grub baked into the firmware so i can *fully* encrypt my disk makes secure boot pointless

06:48 <kris_> seems pretty neat

06:49 <sad_plan> Im not sure I like libreboot. I get the whole libre deal, and I like that, but at what cost? in most cases, youre sacrificing security. atleast with the librekernel

06:49 <sad_plan> nice

06:49 <kris_> sacrificing security in what aspect?

06:50 <sad_plan> more often than not, you need some proprietary stuff which fixes security issues. might not be much of an issue with the bios, but atleast in regards to the kernel, theyre just disregarding security for the sake of freedom

06:50 <kris_> meh im not sure about the kernel but i don't run a deblobbed kernel

06:50 <kris_> i mean i do but only for drivers my system doesn't need

06:51 <kris_> as for the bios its a little less clear since libreboot obviously disables the intel ME and can give you a *fully* encrypted disk and make secure boot pointless

06:51 <kris_> libreboot doesnt support uefi unless you use the uboot payload though

06:51 <sad_plan> librekernel wont allow that. only libre stuff is allowed. Ive read an artichle about this, ill fetch the link if I can find it

06:51 <kris_> which to some people is a good thing, i'm undecided on whether or not i'm a fan of bios

06:51 <kris_> sad_plan yeah i experimented with it via gnu gux

06:51 <kris_> guix*

06:53 <sad_plan> ah yes, here it was https://privsec.dev/posts/linux/desktop-linux-hardening/

06:53 <sad_plan> I see

06:53 <sad_plan> under microcode updates on that link

06:53 <kris_> i mean you can pull microcode with a libre kernel

06:53 <kris_> if that's your concern

06:53 <kris_> generally what you do is build it into your initramfs

06:54 <sad_plan> I dont do initramfs. all builtin

06:55 <sad_plan> it says it blocks it. not sure how exacly they do that.

06:55 <sad_plan> it would be nice to have a blobfree kernel though. I like atleast having *some* security measures taken. so at the very least its no 0

06:56 <sad_plan> s/no 0/not 0/

06:56 <kris_> idk ive never done a initramfs-free install

06:56 <kris_> i use tinyramfs on desktop types for decrypting my ssd, dracut on servers for the same reason but with dracut i can just ssh into my initramfs via the dropbear module

06:56 <kris_> i haven't written a similar thing for tinyramfs yet

06:56 <sad_plan> its much easier. you just compile the kernel, and youre done :p

06:57 <sad_plan> ah dropbear, nice to see someone actually use it

06:57 <kris_> just for my initramfs

06:57 <sad_plan> right

07:01 <kris_> idk we'll see, i got a pretty good deal on a t480

07:02 <kris_> unfortunately it's the 8350u model and not the 8650u model but 130 usd isnt bad for a really good condition t480 with 32gb of ram and a screen upgrade already installed

07:07 <sad_plan> I suppose not. I honestly dont get the whole deal about these thinkpads. theyre really old now :') one would think people would want modern hardware. I get that you buy hardware for w/e you wanna run. much like I do with getting a pixel phone for grapheneOS. might simply be the same thing

07:08 <kris_> this is the absolute oldest one ill consider personally

07:08 <kris_> 8th gen intel, the cpu is 4c8t at least

07:09 <kris_> its just nice because the battery life is insane, the external battery is *hotswappable* because it has an internal smaller one to keep the system alive while you do that, and the performance isnt awful

07:09 <kris_> + coreboot support

07:09 <sad_plan> nice

07:09 <sad_plan> my old desktop had a 7th gen iirc

07:09 <kris_> currently running intels latest on my desktop

07:10 <kris_> previously, 10700k

07:10 <sad_plan> nice. I got a 7600 for my new desktop. im quite happy with that tbh

07:10 <kris_> ryzen im guessing?

07:10 <sad_plan> yeah

07:11 <kris_> if it's working out for you then good shit

07:11 <kris_> i dont think ill get another ryzen chip

07:11 <sad_plan> for sure. the intels run a bit hot, and seeing as I have a 2.9L case, I cant really have things run really hot. although im kinda locked into 65W because of this

07:12 <kris_> honestly the latest gen doesnt really run all that hot

07:12 <kris_> you can get a 280w AIO for the 265k and it will work fine

07:12 <kris_> 280mm*

07:12 <kris_> i dont have a visual for what 2.9L is though

07:14 <sad_plan> perhaps not. nevertheless, its what I got, and it works all good for my usecase

07:14 <kris_> ya is good

07:14 <sad_plan> for reference, its a tad bit smaller than a ps4

07:15 <kris_> oh wow that's tiny

07:15 <sad_plan> https://www.custom-mod.com/en/stranica-tovara/prototype-sl3m-2-9l?currency=USD this is th eone I use. although mines a different color

07:15 <sad_plan> indeed

07:16 <sad_plan> still runs games in 4k, despite its small size. which is amazing

07:20 <kris_> what gpu?

07:44 <sad_plan> 4060 low profile

07:46 <kris_> ah, neat

07:53 <sad_plan> yeah, im quite happy with it

10:41 <sewn> yippe

10:41 <sewn> sad_plan: i wouldnt reccomend nova

10:41 <sewn> personally i was going to go for a tongfeng laptop because it was so cheap compared to the competition and it was practically the same too

10:42 <sewn> i think they were being sold laptopwithlinux.com or something similar

10:42 <sewn> but i fixed my pc now so i dont think i need a laptop yet

10:51 <sad_plan> I wasnt going to buy it anyway, I just wanted to throw it out there, because people might find it interesting.

10:52 <sad_plan> and the nova laptops shouldnt be bought simply by the fact that tongfeng exists, and is more or less the same, just cheaper? or is there something else at play here?

10:53 <sad_plan> the nova is quite expensive though, ill give them that..