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<midfavila> i just realised i've been consuming at times over 2g of caffeine per day
<midfavila> that explains the trouble sleeping
<midfavila> holy shit
<kris_> caffeine overdose gang
<kris_> midfavila my strat might be worse honestly, usually i do similar and then knock myself out with benadryl when it's time to eep
<midfavila> i need to get decaf or something
<midfavila> i use sleeping meds too
<midfavila> . _.
<midfavila> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i love it when i'm building gcc and then i get "error 1"
<midfavila> very helpful
<kris_> better than ed telling you "?"
<midfavila> i would rather ed
<kris_> ed had me punching the air when i was trying to use it for my database library
<midfavila> i use ed on a regular basis
<kris_> ..which is a shell script that forms other shell scripts that set variables which is how you use it as a database
<midfavila> ? is unironically all you need for something as simple as ed
<kris_> which is incredibly scuffed but i promise there was a good reason for it
<midfavila> if you need more, !
<kris_> i ended up just using sed, ed wasnt capable of what i wanted
<kris_> sed kinda fucking sucks though
<midfavila> sounds like ur casul
<midfavila> :3c
<midfavila> babby even
<kris_> ok then mid lets raise the stakes
<kris_> if you can port this to ed i'll be more than happy to merge it
<midfavila> lol i never said i wasn't also
<kris_> <3
<midfavila> i'm just being rude
<midfavila> = w=
<kris_> this script is unreadable to me now
<kris_> hopefully i never need to change anything
* midfavila updates your shell
<kris_> (it's posix)
* midfavila updates your posix
* kris_ grabs a gun
<kris_> i ended up not using this anyway
<midfavila> idk why you would when uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<midfavila> sqlite exists
<kris_> the original intention was to write a password manager that uses this to write to a luks encrypted file
<kris_> but then i found out pass exists
<kris_> so now i just use pass
<midfavila> p
<midfavila> o*
<midfavila> yea
<kris_> my t480 arrives tomorrow!!
<kris_> i dont think im going to libreboot it though, think i'm going to just leave it stock
<kris_> either that or jump down the rabbithole of rolling my own coreboot for it
<midfavila> fun times ahead
<kris_> alternatively, cave and use libreboot
<kris_> i'm definitely way too harsh on this mentality but generally the final decider for whether or not i'll use XYZ software is whether or not i like and/or trust the people involved
<kris_> ^ as specific as i'm going to be
<kris_> but yeah, given i intend on using this machine for school, not certain i want to jump down the rabbithole of rolling coreboot manually
<midfavila> hey unrelated
<midfavila> have you ever had issues building libbacktrace as part of gcc?
<midfavila> building 14.2.0 using 14.2.0 on an x86_64-linux-musl using a native compiler without any cflags or similar that would affect the build and after reviewing all relevant config logs i can't find anything useful other than a possible failure of libtool
<midfavila> i'm sure it has something to do with my userland but at the same time this is the same set of tools i've used since 2020
<midfavila> specifically happens when attempting to link `libstdc++_libbacktrace.la`
<midfavila> haven't found anything searching online either...
<kris_> nah that kinda just worked for me
<kris_> :tm:
<midfavila> yeah
<midfavila> that seems to be a trend with gcc
<midfavila> it either just works or fails with an obscure error even when using the same env and options
<midfavila> i love that
<kris_> mid builds with clang instead eta when
<midfavila> literally never
<kris_> yeah me too
<midfavila> i will wait for mcf's c compiler
<kris_> even if there's a reason to i kinda dont like this entire ecosystem wide migration away from gnu personally
<kris_> like when it makes sense it makes sense but there's not really a group i trust more
<kris_> ^ makes sense for me means ditching grub and glibc
<midfavila> i haven't used grub and glibc in ages
<midfavila> honestly i just fucking hate that people don't stick to standards
<kris_> yeah i just roll UKIs and boot those directly with UEFI
<kris_> grub is a fucking nightmare as far as security goes
<midfavila> whether it's using bashisms in "shell" scripts or GNU C extensions in C without fucking mentioning as such
<midfavila> like i get it extensions make life a lot easier
<midfavila> but provide a fallback or at least mark out where the extension is
<kris_> i mean my router uses grub but thats because i just use openwrt as it comes
<kris_> i didnt even install any extra packages
<midfavila> okay i might have just found the issue
<midfavila> if it is what i think it is i'm gonna be super annoyed at myself
<midfavila> nope, that wasn't it
* midfavila sighs
<midfavila> this is exhausting
<kris_> tends to be, yeah
<kris_> i wish i knew how to help
<midfavila> i have been trying to get this to work since mfing *november*
<midfavila> and it is the *last* thing i need to get sorted before i can have an MVP for my uconsole
<midfavila> this is like
<midfavila> uniquely frustrating
<midfavila> moreso than kiss usually is
<sewn> meow
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