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<da5id>
no wonder im having all these issues with xz theres something up with tukaani.org
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<wael[m]>
Hi
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<testuser[m]>
Hi
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<nullcoder>
Hi
<virutalmachineus>
HI
<virutalmachineus>
I been working on my machine learning compiler, it's going to be revolutionary.
<virutalmachineus>
of course using rust.
<wael[m]>
machine learning compiler?
<wael[m]>
does it.. compile itself with machine learning?
<nullcoder>
O_O
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<virutalmachineus>
I just send Linus Torvalds a telegraphy to not push rust in future releases. I'll text back when I get a reply,
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<aelspire>
I'm interested how rust in linux kernel will work, as I decided to try to use rust as main language until one of events: a) linux drops rust; b) zig hits 1.0; c) during learning rust I decide that this is too much of kitchen sinkhole design;
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<wael[m]>
any obscure unheard of amazing CLI tools?
<wael[m]>
im so glad im not the only fucker here who knows lain
<midfavila>
come on
<midfavila>
look at the room you're in
<midfavila>
ofc people here know about lain
<midfavila>
lain probably uses kiss desu
<wael[m]>
testuser doesnt
<wael[m]>
he hates anime
<wael[m]>
midfavila: ok but have you watched lain
<midfavila>
yes, of course = w=
<wael[m]>
what happened in the final episodes
<wael[m]>
what plot twist happens
<midfavila>
not just gonna dump spoilers here. besides, it's not like i have to prove it or anything
<midfavila>
dunno why it's such a big deal
<wael[m]>
PROOOVE ITTTTTTt
<wael[m]>
encode it in base64
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<umop3plsdn>
can anyone lend a hand for a sec i can't figure out why this keeps messing up? I've followed everything to a T i downloaded the latest stable kernel ive got libelf and perl and everything installed made defconfig made menuconfig selected my gpu put the firmware drivers in the folder but when i go to just run make i get Warning: Kernel ABI header at 'tools/arch/x86/lib/insn.c' differs from latest
<umop3plsdn>
version at 'arch/x86/lib/insn.c'
<umop3plsdn>
diff: unrecognized option: I for busybox
<testuser[m]>
Find the text that says waiting for unfinished jobs
<umop3plsdn>
ahh it looks like bash lol
<umop3plsdn>
thanks ill see if that fixes it
<umop3plsdn>
wow i can't believe bash wouldn't be installed in the chroot package
<testuser[m]>
It should be probably be included in the guide
<umop3plsdn>
thank you soo much! ya i didnt see any mention in the guide about it although im not sure if theres a newer one since im using the official one and it was outdated for the repos and stuff
<umop3plsdn>
again thanks a ton literally the simpelest thing that i never would have thought of
<wael[m]>
you're using the kisslinux.org right
<wael[m]>
for the installation guide
<testuser[m]>
umop3plsdn: did you get the tarball from codeberg btw?
<umop3plsdn>
i did after i figured out everything was outdated lol
<umop3plsdn>
i was having a heck of a time then i stumbled on the community repos
<wael[m]>
testuser: phoebos: can we have an updated kiss linux installation guide plz
<testuser[m]>
umop3plsdn: yea there's no way to direct more attention to community repos cuz dylan just vanished
<testuser[m]>
And only he controls the official stuff
<umop3plsdn>
im quite resourceful ive been using linux for almost 30 years now although never used busybox and musl always had gnu stuff i remember when it took days to compile the kernel lol
<wael[m]>
WHAT
<wael[m]>
30 YEARS?
<umop3plsdn>
lol
<umop3plsdn>
1995
<umop3plsdn>
i was quite young at the time
<umop3plsdn>
playing with slackware
<wael[m]>
bro ur so old
<umop3plsdn>
unfortunately
<umop3plsdn>
42
<wael[m]>
you are like grandpa
<umop3plsdn>
what i miss the most is the old irc days
<wael[m]>
i know i shouldn't say that but woaaaa
<umop3plsdn>
LMFAO
<wael[m]>
my pleasure to meet you i guess
<umop3plsdn>
you whipper snappers
<umop3plsdn>
trying to think of old sayings
<umop3plsdn>
haha
<umop3plsdn>
back when i was your age i had to compile my kernel uphill bothways in the snow
<wael[m]>
14?
<midfavila>
something-something bus mice
<umop3plsdn>
LOL
<midfavila>
something-something don't pick up the phone mom i'm downloading linux
<wael[m]>
midfavila: wat
<umop3plsdn>
totally
<midfavila>
wael[m]: imagine not knowing about bus mice smdh
<midfavila>
this is what wayland does to your brain
<wael[m]>
im not using wayland
<umop3plsdn>
HAH
<wael[m]>
wtf is a bus mice
<schillingklaus>
I installed slack from floppies in 1996
<umop3plsdn>
dude they ran on serial back in the day
<umop3plsdn>
i wish i still had my slack floppies
<midfavila>
before USB and PS/2 were standard you needed to drive a mouse over serial or in some cases a proprietary interface provided by an expansion card, afaik
<umop3plsdn>
prob be long effed tho
<midfavila>
the latter is a "bus mouse"
<wael[m]>
i'm not a granpda like you guys
<midfavila>
i'm barely older than you wael jfc
<midfavila>
how old do you think i am
<wael[m]>
what is jfc
<wael[m]>
midfavila: um i think ur
<midfavila>
xwx
<wael[m]>
31
<schillingklaus>
I had a serial mouse back then... almost never used a mouse, anyways
<umop3plsdn>
31 youngins!
<umop3plsdn>
lol
<umop3plsdn>
you and your pokie monz
<midfavila>
back in my day we only had three colors and we were happy
<midfavila>
(red blue yellow)
<umop3plsdn>
lol
<midfavila>
(yellow was shit though)
<schillingklaus>
black and white would be enough for me
<umop3plsdn>
based
<midfavila>
gen six was pretty okay
<midfavila>
or, no, that was fiev
<midfavila>
five*
<midfavila>
idk i haven't touched nintendo stuff since like 2011
<midfavila>
i do adult things now, like worry about paying my phone bill
<schillingklaus>
wayland is unusable for me, only mouse fetishists enjoy it so far
<umop3plsdn>
eff the mouse
<umop3plsdn>
rat poison all the way lol
<midfavila>
phoebos and anyone else interested in athena, btw: messaged the guy who maintains the "Survey of Widget Sets" page about the licenses for his programs, gonna see if he'll relicense under LGPL or X11
<schillingklaus>
mice back then had no sc roll wheel and a ball on the bottom...
<midfavila>
idk why he'd license Frame under GPL but FileSelector under X11
<umop3plsdn>
you wouild have to clean the gunk off the rollers on the mouse
<umop3plsdn>
it wouldnt move
<midfavila>
hmm
<midfavila>
you know, i really should install an early slackware
<midfavila>
see if i can get GWM and MGR running
<wael[m]>
wtf is a gwm and a mgr
<schillingklaus>
ratpoison is great. the so-called substitute for wayland, cagebreak, suffers from the defieciencies of wayland as everything else does
<midfavila>
GWM is a window manager from the late 80s developed by INRIA's Koala project
<midfavila>
it's sort of like Emacs
<midfavila>
has a C core that defines primitive window management operations, and then all higher-level policy decisions are written in their own Lisp variant, WOOL
<midfavila>
(Window Oriented Object Lisp, if I recall)
<midfavila>
has a super extensive manual
<midfavila>
unfortunately I was never able to get it to build on a modern machine -- i don't know enough about lex to refurbish its interpreter
<midfavila>
MGR is a smaller alternative to X11 developed by Bellcore and presented at Usenix, also in the late eighties. it's basically a terminal multiplexer on steroids
<midfavila>
display server, terminal and window manager are all rolled into one binary, and it allows for curses-based programs to be used effectively identically to a native MGR graphical program through termcap/terminfo abuse
<midfavila>
whole distribution is ~66k lines of C
<midfavila>
and that includes a bunch of specialized drivers and optional demos and stuff
<midfavila>
i've gotten it to compile on a moden Linux, but it never runs and I lack the experience required to refurbish that, as well
<midfavila>
ibiblio has source archives for both programs, and TLDP has a section on MGR
<midfavila>
(sorry I kind of derailed the topic >.<)
<midfavila>
but yeah I want to see if MGR and GWM's approach to graphics and window management respectively are valuable or if i'm just retrooming
<midfavila>
...haha! efalk (xaw guy) just responded
<midfavila>
he's moving the widgets to X11
<midfavila>
s/moving/relicensing/
<wael[m]>
midfavila
<midfavila>
wat
<wael[m]>
hello
<midfavila>
yes hi
<wael[m]>
you fucker you made my firefox crash
<midfavila>
based
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<schillingklaus>
firefox isn't very kiss-ish, so it likes to crash when talking about KISS
<wael[m]>
then what is a kiss-ish browser
<umop3plsdn>
links
<umop3plsdn>
lol
<umop3plsdn>
qutebrowser?
<schillingklaus>
the whole web is anti-kiss
<wael[m]>
i want one that actually works tho
<wael[m]>
yerah i odnt have a choice but for firefox
<midfavila>
links works great idk what you're on
<wael[m]>
um,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
<wael[m]>
i need um,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, drm
<wael[m]>
so i dont have to use a at-spi2 electron chromium proprietary application
<wael[m]>
for my music consumtiopn
<midfavila>
>he doesn't download 30kbps mp3s from invidious
<midfavila>
for shame
<midfavila>
shaaame
<wael[m]>
i like spotify ok
<wael[m]>
its nice
<midfavila>
you're welcome to your opinion, even if it's wrong :D
<midfavila>
i kid
<midfavila>
mostly
<wael[m]>
if im gonna download music im gonna pay my artists
<wael[m]>
and my mom does not want me to pay my artists
<wael[m]>
i would download music if it didn't give me inconveniences like not being able to sync to my phone
<midfavila>
you can't use rsync or something
<midfavila>
?
<wael[m]>
yes i can't.
<midfavila>
or like
<midfavila>
write a script that fires when your device manager detects that you've plugged it in, that autocopies music and shit from your PC to your phone and vice-versa
<midfavila>
s/it/your phone/
<wael[m]>
too much inconvenience
<midfavila>
idk about that but if you say so
<wael[m]>
id rather have it sync automatically to my pc
<wael[m]>
via some server or something
<wael[m]>
but thats basically equivalent to spotify so...
<midfavila>
= w=
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<wael[m]>
maybe if i wasn't introduced to spotify 2 years ago i would still be using cmus
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<phoebos>
i'd be happy to write an updated installation guide. what's better, a document that points to the official guide but mentions the changes required, or a totally separated full guide
<phoebos>
mid: oh cool
<wael[m]>
phoebos: plz
<phoebos>
hm, i seem to have lost that survey of widgets page
<phoebos>
wael[m]: my second sentence was a question ^
<midfavila>
i asked him specifically about Tabs, Frame, Gridbox and FileSelect
<midfavila>
efalk said he totally forgot about XawM and his widgets, and that he was surprised Xt and Xaw were even still being published lmao
<phoebos>
lol
<midfavila>
also didn't believe i intended to use his programs
<midfavila>
*little did you know*
<midfavila>
efalk's athena extensions are officially relicensed to X11 :D
<midfavila>
he also just mentioned that he's considering putting them on github
<midfavila>
so that'll potentially be neat i guess
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<midfavila>
will be pushing a libXawPlus package to my repo tonight containing a mostly autotool-less build for Xaw including the recently X11'd widgets like FileSelect and Gauge, for those interested
<midfavila>
having bundled the widgets together also seems to have resolved the weirdness going on with tcc's linker-loader?