<Torr>
ehawkvu: As I mentioned before, the main appeal of Linux is the driver stack. If one has drivers for the Openbsd kernel, I see no reason to also use the whole OS, as its userland is of uttermost quality.
<Torr>
And Minix is horrible.
<Torr>
Anyways, a lot can happen.
<Torr>
Will have a walk now.
<Torr>
See ya
<ehawkvu>
I know, I'm just putting it out there - I don't seriously recommend any of those systems
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<wael[m]>
tar: unrecognized option '--owner=0'
<wael[m]>
in kernel building
<wael[m]>
apparently tar is also dependant on fuckin gnu tar as well
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<virutalmachineus>
<wael[m]> "how dare you masahiro yamada" <- yeah how dare he!!!!
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<virutalmachineus>
ban masahiro yamada from linux /s
<testuser[m]12>
Hi
<virutalmachineus>
HI sir
<wael[m]>
o///
<wael[m]>
o/
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<travankor>
of course, the maintainers don't care about a bash dependency but when google wants the kernel to compile with clang, portability is suddenly important
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<testuser[m]12>
bruh why does firefox need 18gb ram to build now even outside tmpfs
<testuser[m]12>
i was able to build it fully in tmpfs last time
<virutalmachineus>
how much did it use last time?
<testuser[m]12>
less than 16
<wael[m]>
is there a method to edit MIME types in KISS? xdg-utils is a bash mess and isn't packaged but i have a program that i need to somehow add it to mime list of some sort
<wael[m]>
similar to xdg
<wael[m]>
-mime
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<Ogromny>
is there any document about acpid (busybox) ?
<Ogromny>
s/document/&ation/
<wael[m]>
probably
<wael[m]>
maybe with posix man pages or alpine docs
<phoebos>
acpid isn't posix
<phoebos>
but you could use some of any implementation's documentation
<wael[m]>
I wish busybox had bloody man pages already
<phoebos>
tbf they are all smaller versions of existing tools, and are mostly similar in behaviour
<phoebos>
and differences are written in comments
<phoebos>
but it's certainly not ideal
<wael[m]>
I just want to quickly pull up a man page to know the features and notes and flags among other things not look at source code
<phoebos>
well that's what the --help flag is for
<phoebos>
did you disable help output?
<wael[m]>
usage: program
<phoebos>
you may need to enable extended help output too
<wael[m]>
where
<phoebos>
in busybox's .config
<phoebos>
it is enabled in repo's busybox
<phoebos>
what program was that for though
<wael[m]>
single argument apps that I got used to on gnu coreutils
<wael[m]>
like the util-linux replacements in busybox
<phoebos>
such as?
<phoebos>
what specifically
<wael[m]>
or really any program
<wael[m]>
I only faced this problem with busybox ash because I wanted to look at it's specific man page
<phoebos>
some don't have extended help, but `busybox ls --help` should for example
<phoebos>
sh doesn't have that kind of documentation
<wael[m]>
wouldn't --help be the same for -? or -h
<phoebos>
use the freebsd manpage or posix
<phoebos>
no
<wael[m]>
I'll look into it
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<testuser[m]12>
ioraff: what are your pc specs?
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<ioraff>
11th gen i5, 16g ram, nvme ssd
<testuser[m]12>
Nice
<testuser[m]12>
ioraff: do u have backtrace from chromium crash with gcc build
<ioraff>
no. I tried building with symbols some time ago, but still couldn't get a backtrace for some reason. I'm currently trying a build with 12.2
<testuser[m]12>
u can get some form of a backtrace by using the original build dir
<testuser[m]12>
I got it even without setting symbol level in build config
<ioraff>
with gdb?
<testuser[m]12>
Building with symbols is impossible
<testuser[m]12>
Yeah
<ioraff>
okay. I'll try if this 12.2 build still has issues. ccache is a lifesaver for this
<ioraff>
are you still without a computer?
<testuser[m]12>
Im back
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<testuser[m]12>
ioraff: how does ccache work out if the old version of compiler miscompiled the object file
<ioraff>
it rewrites the cache if a different version of a compiler is used
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<Guest3>
Is it convenient to use this distribution? Show a screenshot of the desktop.
<ioraff>
not particularly. it's less "convenient" than say, gentoo. there is no canonical desktop for this distribution.
<midfavila>
it's convenient only if you want or need total control over the system at every level
<midfavila>
basically it's LFS with a package manager
<testuser[m]12>
ioraff: btw did you have to add any extra patch or build flag for building with clang?
<ioraff>
no, just the $CC check I carried over from your/kiss-xorg's build.
<testuser[m]12>
nice
<testuser[m]12>
Also do u have any issue with tab dragging? I forgot if it was an nvidia issue or sway issue
<testuser[m]12>
Had to disable hw accel for some component to get it to work
<Guest3>
In what fields of activity is this distribution used?
<dilyn>
some data scientists use it
<dilyn>
it's mostly tinkerers
<midfavila>
^
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<noocsharp>
what data scientists use it
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<dilyn>
some fellow I haven't seen in a while
<dilyn>
yellow or some such... idr
<virutalmachineus>
sbase+ubase when?
<noocsharp>
when you go do it
<ioraff>
they're both in community
<Torr>
FATALITY
<dilyn>
gotim
<ioraff>
testuser[m]12: decided not to drop those packages?
<ioraff>
mutt
<midfavila>
sbase+ubase has been a thing people here daily for a while
<midfavila>
there's at least a handful of people who do so, myself included
<phoebos>
kiss isn't really better for science than a more mainstream distribution
<phoebos>
binary packaging yada yada
<midfavila>
depends on the sort of research you're doing idk
<phoebos>
most stuff is a bunch of python modules
<phoebos>
kiss helps control my rage since when something goes wrong i'm angry at myself not some obscure maintainers
<phoebos>
lol
<phoebos>
necromansy did sciencey stuff
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<dilyn>
^
<dilyn>
also them
<dilyn>
KISS isn't "for" anything in particular, except to get out of your way
<dilyn>
if you want to do "DaTa ScIeNcE", maybe use a data science focused distro. but if you just something that does what you want because you set it up that way, KISS is fine
<dilyn>
like Nix but less esoteric
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<noocsharp>
one thing is that python modules that have c/c++ have to be built from source since they don't have precompiled musl binaries
<noocsharp>
which is a giant pain and slow sometimes