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<phinxy> There are dozens of us!!
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<virutalmachineus> systemd kiss is next
<wael[m]> No
<wael[m]> that is somewhat possible but holy shit is it not worth it
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<virutalmachineus> can't wait for the electron craze
<midfavila> pretty sure sysd kiss is already a thing
<virutalmachineus> yeah i think i saw it some where
<testuser[m]12> Hi
<wael[m]> o/
<rohan> yo
<rohan> latest kernel still need patch?
<wael[m]> 6.0-rc1?
<rohan> 5.19.2
<wael[m]> still bash
<rohan> guys
<virutalmachineus> sheesh bash this bash that, when will the bloat end!!
<rohan> what happened to libglvnd?
<virutalmachineus> if systemd wasn't bad enough
<wael[m]> @rohan : wdym
<wael[m]> it can be made with and by mesa
<wael[m]> @virutalmachineuser : you cannot escape bloat, only lower it
<rohan> i mean the package in community
<rohan> dropped?
<rohan> i used to need it for glew
<rohan> i tried to build and now rebuild to package to community
<wael[m]> do you have an amd/Intel gpu
<wael[m]> also yes libglvnd was dropped since may
<wael[m]> but I still believe mesa provides libglvnd already
<wael[m]> not as a dependency but it builds it
<rohan> its because glew says it needs opengl
<rohan> and not have it build
<wael[m]> try to build without it
<wael[m]> remove it as a dependency
<rohan> use amd system
<rohan> but how?
<virutalmachineus> <wael[m]> "@virutalmachineuser : you cannot..." <- well there's always the vm route, small and contained.
<wael[m]> where is glew?
<wael[m]> its not in community
<wael[m]> @virutalmachineuser what's your setup virtual machine user
<virutalmachineus> vm is where all the bloat goes including bloated firefox
<wael[m]> wouldn't it take more resources to run nearly everything in a vm
<wael[m]> if it's for security its acceptable but for avoiding bloat, really?
<virutalmachineus> yeah but it's secure and free from the bloat
<virutalmachineus> it's ijust nice not having bloat in your main system
<wael[m]> what do you have then, what do you run on your host
<virutalmachineus> i compile in the vm then install in main
<virutalmachineus> it's really small
<virutalmachineus> so no build tools in main system
<wael[m]> what...
<wael[m]> from 1 to 10 how schizo are you
<virutalmachineus> what's wrong?
<virutalmachineus> i'm just a hardcore vm user
<wael[m]> nah man you aint hardcore you are bigger than that
<wael[m]> hardcore is 12 you are 48
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<virutalmachineus> nah you are just mistaken, i'm not pure tty only autistic(well not yet(joking)).
<wael[m]> noted
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<raph_ael> if you mind about security, you can run chroot or firejail
<raph_ael> simplier than a vm
<virutalmachineus> <raph_ael> "if you mind about security..." <- chroot is not security and firejail makes things worse
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<virutalmachineus> and compiling source code in root is a with chroot is not a no for me
<virutalmachineus> qemu can run in user mode
<virutalmachineus> you should have to have scripts setup to connect the tap device
<virutalmachineus> s/should/just/
<virutalmachineus> s/should/just/, s/setup//, s/connect/setup/
<virutalmachineus> s/is a//, s/not//
<raph_ael> seems a bit painful for me
<virutalmachineus> if you have scripts it's quite simple
<virutalmachineus> to each there own
<virutalmachineus> qemu also has mircovms, boots really fast
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<wael[m]> is there a xxd alternative available?
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<testuser[m]12> <wael[m]> "is there a xxd alternative..." <- https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/src/xxd/xxd.c
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<testuser[m]12> Does anyone have some idea about how many people outside this irc use KISS lol
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<sad_plan> hi
<sad_plan> testuser[m]12: wouldnt that just be guessswork? I mean, you could fetch the stats from github though, which could give a somewhat pinpoint
<testuser[m]12> It show's 100+ clones but it's probably bots
<testuser[m]12> Latest tarball released on 22 june has 175 downloads
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<sad_plan> thats something to go on atleast. how many people voted on the poll earlier? if you recall I mean :p
<sad_plan> in any case, that would probably give us a more defintive number on how many users there were at that time anyway.
<phoebos> tarball downloads are mainly only new users though
<phoebos> 175 seems a lot
<phoebos> i feel like it was only about 20 people who answered the poll
<phoebos> which was pretty much just people active in irc
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<sad_plan> yeah, Id also say that seems like alot. I mean, KISS is really niche. we do occationally see new people here, aswell as on reddit, but 175 seems alot, like you said.
<sad_plan> yeah, something like that I suppose.
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<rohan> someone have gimp packaged?
<virutalmachineus> it's quite old you might need to update it
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<phinxy> rohan: I have GIMP 2.99.10 but it's not neat. There are cumbersome dependencies, too
<rohan> can you send me a link to repo?
<phinxy> just a sec
<phinxy> But I haven't pushed the required libraries gimp depends on
<phinxy> atk amongst others..
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<rohan> tried
<rohan> and have a problem to build librsvg
<rohan> something with gdk-pixbuf
<rohan> someone have it packaged?