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<ioraff> wael[m]: to avoid a circular dependency
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<wael[m]> true
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<illiliti> we had mailing list. it was dropped iirc, i don't remember why
<illiliti> dilyn can say more
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<testuser[m]12> Hi
<illiliti> hi
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<Ogromny> Hi
<illiliti> ioraff: i removed openssl support from openssh and seems it works fine without it
<illiliti> the only left packages which have hardcoded dep on openssl api are rust, nodejs, python
<illiliti> not that many, but if considering how bloated they are...
<illiliti> everything else has an option to enable different crypto backend or can be patched to drop openssl
<illiliti> btw why rust needs openssl? for cargo to fetch shit?
<illiliti> also python can be compiled without openssl, but then it won't have tls and https capability. we need to investigate this i think
<illiliti> but i may be wrong cuz i don't remember details
<cem> illiliti: I've been away too long so I just saw the talk about doing a kiss BSD
<cem> I didn't exactly fail doing it
<cem> I was working with the OpenBSD kernel and I did get it to work
<cem> It's just that the kernel didn't support my hardware and I lost interest and dropped it
<cem> I wasn't super familiar with BSD at the time, and to be honest I came to the conclusion that Linux is much better for desktop
<illiliti> ah
<ehawkvu> cem: link? I've been curious about doing this myself
<illiliti> you didn't share your progress, that's why i thought you failed :)
<cem> Yeah I didn't spend much time on it, and I lost all of my stuff after a disk failure because I am a psycopath who doesn't commit shit until I'm happy with it
<testuser[m]12> Bruh
<cem> I don't remember the status of my last commit and I don't care enough to find out
<cem> That was freebsd so probably not
<cem> I switched to OpenBSD, don't know why
<cem> s/know/remember/
<Ogromny> illiliti: Any news on the linker script for hare ?
<cem> Ogromny: was that devault's language?
<illiliti> what kind of news do you need?
<Ogromny> cem: yep
<illiliti> if you mean submitting patch to upstream, i haven't had a time to work on it and that fix that phoboes suggested is rather hack than actual solution
<Ogromny> illiliti: my bad I thought it wouldn't compile because of the linker script, I misread the github issue
<illiliti> it won't work with mold, otherwise it should be ok
<Ogromny> mold looks really cool, do you think replacing lld or gold with mold will work out of the box ?
<illiliti> mold isn't suitable to bootstrap stuff, so you won't be able to fully replace ldd/bfd/gold
<illiliti> some things will work, some don't
<illiliti> as you see mold doesn't support linker scripts which breaks packages which use them
<Ogromny> Yep unfortunately
<illiliti> mold is still useful to build heavy software, such as chromium or firefox, cuz it is 100x faster than everything else
<illiliti> i haven't tried to build them with mold though. my weak computer will blow up if i do
<testuser[m]12> It's good for debugging too cuz 5s for each link is better than 2 mins
<illiliti> cem: i see that carbs's main website has ipv6, but not git subdomain. is there any reason why it doesn't support ipv6?
<cem> Huh, should've forgot to add the record
<illiliti> ok
<cem> Updated the records now
<illiliti> connection refused
<illiliti> https://ready.chair6.net/?url=https://git.carbslinux.org
<cem> It should work now?
<testuser[m]12> Any idea why dhcpcd would say eth0: no IPv6 Routers available ?
<testuser[m]12> Ipv6 is enabled on vps config and kernel
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<illiliti> cem: it is. thanks
<cem> illiliti: sure, thanks for letting me know
<illiliti> testuser[m]12: maybe ipv6 is disabled in /proc or dhcpcd config
<testuser[m]12> illiliti: how can u disable ipv6 in /proc
<testuser[m]12> dhcpcd config is default one
<illiliti> i mean /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
<testuser[m]12> Nope
<testuser[m]12> It's set to 0
<illiliti> hmm. maybe ipv6 routes don't get advertised for some reason. in this case, you have to set them statically
<illiliti> better off asking vps provider
<testuser[m]12> I'll try making static
<testuser[m]12> illiliti: how do i even do that
<illiliti> search it. i don't remember the exact command
<illiliti> afaik you can do that via dhcpcd config
<testuser[m]12> Seems to be only for ipv4
<testuser[m]12> I hate networking
<illiliti> man dhcpcd
<midfavila> >building ipv6 into your kernel in the first place
<midfavila> psh, casuals.
<testuser[m]12> Bruh F it I'll just wait until ipv4 dies
<testuser[m]12> Anyone using kiss with a ryzen U series craptop?
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<sad_plan> testuser[m]12 i have one. 3700u iirc.
<sad_plan> Why you ask?
<testuser[m]12> sad_plan: how long to build gcc in tmpfs
<testuser[m]12> I'll have to get one next year
<midfavila> there's no point asking that question, testuser[m]12
<midfavila> you should estimate using SBUs instead
<sad_plan> Uh.. 30 mins perhaps? I dont recall, but firefox usually goes aroubd ish 1hr, same with rust
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<ioraff> illiliti: what about gnupg1, mold, mutt, and wpa_supplicant?
<illiliti> i don't use any of them, but i believe it should be possible to patch them
<illiliti> does gnupg1 need openssl? i'm not sure it does
<phoebos> mutt should work with libressl
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<ioraff> you're right, it doesn't
<ioraff> earlier, did you mean that you just disabled the openssl configure option for openssh?
<ioraff> I believe mold only needs sha256 routines
<ioraff> someone made an issue about support for libsodium, but the developer is only sticking with libcrypto because it's the fastest.
<testuser[m]12> Can build without perl
<ioraff> neat
<testuser[m]12> And without meson
<testuser[m]12> But it generates in some gypi format, can be patched to generate makefile like meson did
<testuser[m]12> There's a build_all_generated target in openssl makefile aswell which can be used
<testuser[m]12> Yea works fine
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