<farkuhar>
I doubt uwumeowmeownyaa will read the logs, but I'll share this blog post anyway (a newbie's perspective on Plan9): https://jlamothe.net/blog/2023-09-28/
<remiliascarlet>
uwumeowm`: Apart from Richard Stallman and his minions, nobody cares.
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
farkuhar: Thanks, I've just seen the message on the logs :-D
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I have Plan 9front on a laptop that is sitting there doing nothing since I can't get Wi-Fi to work. I needed iwm-8000C-34 firmware which I got from OpenBSD, yet even though I can authenticate with the Wi-Fi I can't get an IP. The firmware errors out.
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
zorz: please refrain from doxxing, it is neither polite nor legal.
<zorz>
uwumeowmeownyaa: sue me:)
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: You doxxed yourself. You should get an IP mask.
<zorz>
uwumeowmeownyaa: join this channel... RTFM liberachat
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
I want to buy a VPN (Virtual Private Network), but I can not figure out how to do this.
<zorz>
paypal cc crypto etc etc
<zorz>
uwumeowmeownyaa: if you buy one, use mullvad!
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
SiFuh: Neither am I able to use Wi-Fi because of how Libre my GNU/Linux distribution is. Instead, I want declared Wi-Fi to be a redundant and unnecessary luxury.
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
<ignore "want", I have no idea how it got there>
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
I hate how much Plan9 relies on mouse... It is so much easier to use a keyboard to utilize a computer instead of typing and moving your hand to grasp the mouse only to pixel-hunt a character on the screen.
<zorz>
uwumeowmeownyaa: have you heard of ratpoison?
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: That's because you haven't configured it with hot keys
<zorz>
thumps up
<zorz>
porn keys?
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
zorz: Yes. I personally use `bspwm` since it looks a little bit less bloated and more actively maintained to me. But I doubt that there are alternatives for 9Front (the modern Plan9).
<zorz>
never dealt with plan9 myself, no idea.
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: There is xorg for plan9
<SiFuh>
zorz: scrot always reminds me of scrotum
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
The Plan9 operating system is the example of there being too much "trolling". And 9Front is simply a meme itself.
<zorz>
SiFuh: yesterday i was so pissed with MSI, i noticed their bios is rubish. not always tsc is working
<zorz>
next time i ll buy a laptop thinkpad or dell xps
<SiFuh>
Told you the BIOS sucked
<zorz>
yes you told me
<SiFuh>
I know, I was there when I told you.
<zorz>
I remember, I was listening when you told me.
<SiFuh>
You here text? Do you have text to audio on your laptop?
<SiFuh>
hear*
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
I am a moderate user
<zorz>
listen... is a way to change bios, lets say coreboot?
<zorz>
or i will burn it
<ukky>
zorz: coreboot has to be compiled for your specific motherboard, as coreboot contains acpi tables. acpi tables describe all hw resources
<ukky>
zorz: coreboot has config only for these MSI motherboards: h81m-p33, ms7707, ms7d25, ms7e06
<zorz>
oooooo
<zorz>
i dont know what i have, let me search it.
<ukky>
zorz: you can install flashrom from contrib or SiFuh' repo to check if you can read BIOS chip.
<zorz>
Found chipset "AMD FP4".
<zorz>
Enabling flash write... ERROR: State of SpiAccessMacRomEn or SpiHostAccessRomEn prohibits full access.
<zorz>
PROBLEMS, continuing anyway
<zorz>
Product Name: MS-15CK
<zorz>
no luck ukky
<SiFuh>
zorz: You mean "no l'ukky" ?
<ukky>
zorz: I would _not_ modify System BIOS, unless you have a spare motherboard. It is so easy to brick it.
<SiFuh>
ukky: of if you have chip programmer and a heat gun to remove the chip so you can flash it
<SiFuh>
uf/unless
<SiFuh>
err of if/unless*
<SiFuh>
Some have JTAG pins which you can connect direct to the border.
<SiFuh>
I have few here and in Australia. They do come in handy for unbricking things
<ukky>
SiFuh: Agree, but you have to be experienced in soldering to remove on-board SPI flash and install a socket to hold it.
<SiFuh>
I am :-P
<SiFuh>
ukky: I always find it annoying that on the American videos they say sodering like what happened to the 'l'? In Australia we say soldering and use the 'l'
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<ukky>
SiFuh: Does OpenBSD install compiler/toolchain in the core/base install? Or you have to use ports/whateve-ports-rname?
<SiFuh>
Usually one would select comp7.6.tgz when installing the main packages and it gets installed under /usr
<ukky>
Is compiler clang/llvm or gcc?
<SiFuh>
If you want something like gcc or llvm you'd need to install that as a separate package. So it will go under /usr/local and clang should be in comp7.6tgz
<SiFuh>
core is basically the base7.6.tgz and that is everything that is not under /usr or /usr/local except directories
<ukky>
Does base7.6.tgz create /usr/local and subdirectories in /usr/local?
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa also known as uwumeowm`. did you see the url also known as a link, that I sent also known as posting, of those images also known as photos or pictures?
<SiFuh>
9front says that the Wi-Fi card is supported but the firmware that it recommends doesn't seem to work very well. I tried DHCP and manual IP address and even though I am able to authenticate with the router, I am not able to use it since it the firmware errors out.
<ukky>
I have two NUCs, similar to what you have, but Intel CPU
<SiFuh>
CRUX works on those now ;-)
<SiFuh>
If they use mmc as the main disk
<ukky>
I had no time to reinstall OS on NUCs, they still run Gentoo
<SiFuh>
Had to change a couple of things in the ISO config file for jaeger so that his would work and the Beelink J45s
<SiFuh>
The boot kernel for ISO config file*
<ukky>
btw, it's so nice that OpenBSD does not have /lib and /libexec in the root. It would make installing all ports under /usr so much cleaner.
<SiFuh>
Didn't /lib only stick around in Linux so that the kernel modules can be loaded from the root partition?
<ukky>
Could be that. But as far as I know, most distros still place dynamic loaded from libc in /lib, /lib32 or /lib64
<SiFuh>
altroot bin bsd bsd.booted bsd.rd bsd.sp dev etc home mnt root sbin sys tmp usr var
<ukky>
s/loaded/loader/
<SiFuh>
bsd* = the kernel.
<SiFuh>
And if you compile your own kernel the old kernel gets moved from /bsd to /obsd so you can return to the old kernel if you mess up.
<SiFuh>
And in the old days so that you didn't need to download an the image and burn an ISO, you could download the latest bsd.rd and just boot from that and do a netinstall.
<SiFuh>
For upgrading that is
<SiFuh>
Still can do that today. But we have sysupgrade now, so no need to bother.
<ukky>
It is probably still supported (netinstall)
<SiFuh>
Yes, we all use it
<ukky>
But you choose OpenBSD because you don't want to compile and play with alternatives, thus netinstall warks for you well
<SiFuh>
Basically once you have a system installed. You just upgrade using the internet. You can have it pre-downloaded with sysupgrade the *.tgz archives. Or you can download the latest bsd.rd and boot that and netinst on the fly.
<ukky>
s/warks/works/
<SiFuh>
ukky: I use to compile my own port for mediainfo before it was introduced in two ports for OpenBSD. And there are other things I use to build to. But yes, you can do source builds as well.
<SiFuh>
You can even compile the entire OpenBSD system from source.
<ukky>
That's what I did for NetBSD and FreeBSD
<SiFuh>
Well what I like is that every port is compiled to work with every port regardless.
* zorz
no need for sex, python fucks me every other day
<zorz>
SiFuh: no no no... no need for durabook in my living room:P
<zorz>
next one will be thinkpad X1 carbon with intelcpu and intel arc graphics.
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<zorz>
OpenBSD rules!!!
<SiFuh>
One OS to rule them all
<zorz>
ofcourse
<zorz>
its a matter of time for me to switch back, since verion 7.6 improve a lot the smt
<zorz>
i am lazy to change my bash scripts to ksh
<SiFuh>
Then use them as bash scripts
<zorz>
man its same to run openbsd and use bash
<zorz>
shame
<SiFuh>
#!/usr/bin/env bash
<zorz>
hahahaa
<zorz>
i know
<SiFuh>
Us that 'Shebang'!
<SiFuh>
That way you can use the scripts accross multiple distros and OS's
<SiFuh>
Use*
<zorz>
but seriously, in this life openbsd,,, and if you need something in linux void is ok
<SiFuh>
I don't pander to LGTV and DIE
<zorz>
hahaha
<SiFuh>
So I have little interest in Linux
<zorz>
tell you the truth i trus leah2 and the german repo of void.
<zorz>
trust.
<zorz>
par ex. in linux i install udevil acl-progs in openbsd you have vnconfig
<zorz>
anyway in future microsoft pays the bill for the kernel... which is no good.
<SiFuh>
zorz: NVIDIA has their own AI systems where they have a complete virtual world. They then tell the AI something like "In this situation and at this location, how would you get a 100% success rate if you were to kill this many people?" The AI then enters the virtual world and tests out every scenario. Over 100 years. Comes back 5 minutes later and gives the solution.
<SiFuh>
zorz: Reminds me of the episodes in Star Gate when they sent the replicators to a planet and slowed time down. Whilst they were away, the replicators sped up time on their planet so they can progress at lighting speeds.
<zorz>
lol
<zorz>
we live crazy times!... humanity in maximum stupidity!
<SiFuh>
zorz: Makes me wonder about the book of Revelations (Apochrypha)
<zorz>
you know... in my mind now came the Russian Banks of seeds.!
<zorz>
AI cannot feed the people
<SiFuh>
3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a
<SiFuh>
scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
<SiFuh>
7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with
<SiFuh>
stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
<SiFuh>
But Jesus didn't write any part of the bible.
<SiFuh>
Revelations were visions written by Paul
<zorz>
yes it was written later from the apostoles in greek, i think mostly cause most of the people knew greek at the time.
<SiFuh>
Didn't he die in Greece?
<zorz>
i dont know
<zorz>
i think rome coloseum
<SiFuh>
Patmos is a Greek island in the Aegean Sea
<SiFuh>
He was in Patmos
<zorz>
Ξοην
<zorz>
john
<SiFuh>
Patmos (Greek: Πάτμος, pronounced) is a Greek island in the Aegean Sea.It is famous as the location where John of Patmos received the visions found in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, and where the book was written.
<zorz>
not paul
<SiFuh>
Yeah John
<zorz>
Ματθαιος, Μαρκος, Λουκας, Ιωαννης. THE 4 evaggelists
<SiFuh>
Thought I typed John. Hahah thought you were reading wrong.
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
in Patmos yes he wrote the revelation
<zorz>
i think Patmos is opposite of ancient Troy more or less
<zorz>
beatifull island.
<SiFuh>
I think revelations is read wrong by many bible readers
<SiFuh>
It should be to reveal and unveil not the end
<zorz>
in greek is called αποκαλυψης του ιωαννη apocalipto
<SiFuh>
apokalupsis
<zorz>
yeap
<SiFuh>
ἀποκάλυψις
<SiFuh>
Word Origin: Derived from ἀποκαλύπτω (apokaluptō), meaning "to uncover" or "to reveal."
<SiFuh>
Many Christians tend to think it means the end. An apocalypse.
<zorz>
ooo SiFuh please... its late in the night, and i have a headacche from python, just finish. do not start the vocabullary+grammar lessons :P
<SiFuh>
But whether or not you beleive in everlasting life, or heaven or whatever, it can't be the end
<SiFuh>
zorz: My favorite bible is the 1984 version of the New World Translation. They proved a Diaglot as well which covers the greek/aramaic words.
<SiFuh>
proved/provide
<SiFuh>
They also have the Transliteration which has the Hebrew version of the old testament.
<SiFuh>
I am not a fan of the King James version. My brother reads that one.
<SiFuh>
And the International version is just wrong.
<zorz>
SiFuh: have you ever read about Mt Athos?
<SiFuh>
The new version of the New World Translation from I think 2000 or 2001 is in such basic English, I feel I lose IQ points reading it.
<zorz>
i think this would be an amazing educational trip for you.
<SiFuh>
Isn't that the monastry that The Young Indiana Jones went to?
<zorz>
there many monasteries there.... from all orthodox, ok greek but you find russian serbian
<zorz>
huge libraries
<zorz>
dont go... you will stay there.
<SiFuh>
No, I don't wear a dress and take rope elevators to monastries.
<SiFuh>
monasteries*
<zorz>
nooooooooooo this is kalampaka.... different place
<zorz>
no ropes
<zorz>
no need to wear dress
<SiFuh>
zorz: If you have never watched it. Check out "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles"
<SiFuh>
I watched a few times. Half he is a kid and the other half he is a young man
<SiFuh_>
Hmm OpenBSD crashed
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<zorz>
why?
<zorz>
i dont i am lazy to go back now in openbsd... and i am coding in python.. just finished. Ibuild a nice bot for trading signal... and a second manuall screener
<zorz>
strategy1 and 2 are ok. 3 is bullshit. 4 is good too
<zorz>
SiFuh: i also find piece with void. in crux always busy to do something. in void other people doit for you heh. plus its easy to build programs especially the ones using gnu-configure
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