<SiFuh_>
zorz: Apparently I can even run the rio desktop but it won't launch inside of fluxbox. So I haven't tried too
<zorz>
do you really need 9front?
<SiFuh_>
Well I tried, but inside of fluxbox. Outside I haven't tried.
<zorz>
or you just killing your time.
<SiFuh_>
Last time I played with plan9 was back in the early 2000s so this 9front thing is kind of cool
<SiFuh_>
I wouldn't mind making it a main driver, but it doesn't really have anything I need
<SiFuh_>
But still cool to fsck around with for now. Who knows what will happen in the future
<SiFuh_>
I still think plan9 and 9front would make the perfect OS for mobile phones and tablets.
<zorz>
myself i am lazy to come back to openbsd, since they improved a lot the smt in 7.6
<SiFuh_>
So if they didn't improve it a lot, you'd come back to OpenBSD?
<zorz>
SiFuh_: write now you know what i did.... linuxkernel: ./make defconfig ./make hardening.config takes out lots of husle
<zorz>
write-right
<SiFuh_>
No I don't know what you did right now.
<zorz>
i run 4 bot in python... realtime connected to binance. i need to try this in openbsd
<SiFuh_>
Need/
<SiFuh_>
Need?
<zorz>
all bots are full async await and threading
<zorz>
if they run well switch back to openbsd
<SiFuh_>
No, we NEED to take in nourishment, expel waste and breathe in enough oxygen to keep our cells from dying. Everything else is purely optional.
<zorz>
indeed no stress
<zorz>
hmmm python-3.12.8p0 - not yst we run python3.13... spring time :P
<SiFuh_>
Well, they are dumping Bill Gates mosquitoes here every month. And every month, the KKM (Same like CDC) come round and fog (Gas) the area because of constant Dengue outbreaks.
<SiFuh_>
Lots of fake news about saying it is fake, but I have seen it. There are no airports here so when you hear helicopters go overhead and you see the black dust of bugs you are curious to see the helicopter because they are were so rare until 2022
<zorz>
what i dont like with infowars... is some things are okay but others are fake and people go nuts
<zorz>
infowars and similar pages.
<zorz>
the story of yesterday is in 8h 3 boeings hahahhaa
<SiFuh_>
Generally mosquitoes don't like me. But 4 days ago after a shower, I was walking upstairs and noticed one on my arm. I flicked it and it exploded. My arm was sore for about 20 minutes.
<zorz>
where is farkuhar to defend us manufactures
<SiFuh_>
zorz: Show me one fake thing from infowars
<zorz>
i dont follow them... let me check if they have rss i will follow
<SiFuh_>
Infowars reads news stories and discusses them the majority of the time. There is a small portion where Alex Jones predicts and explains stuff.
<zorz>
10 years ago, Qatar, Saudis, Turkye ofcourse Boss USA wanted to make 2 pipes towards Europe in order usa to sell gas to europe. Syria and Asand refused to cooperate. Today Syria is 0, null
<zorz>
Syria refused, because Russia told him no.
<SiFuh_>
US didn't allow it
<SiFuh_>
They didn't want it to impact the Petro-Dollar
<zorz>
anyway, Israel and Greek... will be finished... end of deal
<SiFuh_>
Why do you think they blew up the Russian Nord Stream?
<SiFuh_>
Germany will fall probably first
<zorz>
if Germany fails... next is Greece Italy, spain,,, everybody
<SiFuh_>
Then many European countries will fall like dominoes and the US will linger on a bit. UK will be decimated.
<zorz>
decimated?
<SiFuh_>
Hungary will be fine
<SiFuh_>
UK will be obliterated. Decimated. Gone. Kaput. Over. No more.
<zorz>
we see... but I admire the Russians
<SiFuh_>
It is why they MUST HAVE Belgium
<SiFuh_>
To stop it from happening.
<zorz>
no need to exist... UK is gay
<SiFuh_>
They want Belgium and the Netherlands.
<zorz>
this is what happens when gay rule the world... or actors like zelensky
<zorz>
Europe has [rpblem with immigration
<SiFuh_>
The plan since 2005 was to convert Belgium and Netherlands into one giant cyber city. Ukrained also. Smart cities. Where all the data and networks will be monitored and controlled
<zorz>
Netherlands are fed up with immigrants
<zorz>
SiFuh_: you have a point
<SiFuh_>
Europe has no problems with immigration. It was the plan. They wanted to start it with NAFTA in the Americas but they needed to test it. So they created the EU. Then once the pieces were in place, then UN went to play and started bringing them in.
<zorz>
as much as i love linux, and the speed of it... the openbsd is oneway now for me.
<SiFuh_>
Netherlands farm lands need to be taken over. Or their smart city can't come into existence.
<SiFuh_>
Farmer riots?
<zorz>
yeap
<zorz>
yeap
<zorz>
yes indeed
<zorz>
climate is good now over there... not like before
<SiFuh_>
After the EU was formed and the UN and NGOs started flooding the country with migrants, The next was Canada, AU and NZ. Now it is the US.
<zorz>
mediteranean will be desert
<SiFuh_>
Each are doing the same thing but in different ways.
<SiFuh_>
zorz: I heard Muslims belong in deserts. But Indonesia and Malaysia are both jungles.
<zorz>
educated muslims are ok the uneducated once are the problem... all religions speaking
<SiFuh_>
I am anti religous
<zorz>
what was the other thing... with elon and the rest about H1-B visas.... karma is a bitch for Elon
<zorz>
the guy is stupifd
<SiFuh_>
Elon agrees to the new terms
<zorz>
he talks for germany and national party
<zorz>
but in usa... no we need H1-B
<SiFuh_>
I don't want it to be honest. I think importing the smartest foreigners is stupid. I heard the reasons and the benefits. But fuck no. Train your citizens. If a Genius foreigner wants to come in. Treat like anyone else and make him do it the long way.
<SiFuh_>
No, you need to educate your citizens and feed them healthy food.
<SiFuh_>
zorz: Do you know how the national average IQ test works?
<zorz>
exactly.... why another country aducate and grow up people... and then usa steal them
<zorz>
anyway,,, brains they avoid usa
<zorz>
its not what it used to be
<zorz>
Netherland and Belgium they like
<zorz>
Swiss
<SiFuh_>
They take your school results so let's say 7th grade. Then get and average. Compare the average with the previous year and then they know how many points to add and subtract. Every student in your grade is included together, with you. So if everyone was 87 IQ and one guy was 290 IQ it might bring it up to 98 IQ. Then they compare to the previous year which might be 100 IQ. So they move 98 to 100 by 2
<SiFuh_>
points because of the difference. 98 is now the new 100.
<zorz>
i see
<SiFuh_>
I lived in 13 countries and moved through the educational system in those countries. Guess how China does it?
<SiFuh_>
The school is greeted by someone from the CCP and told to select one female and one male from the entire school that is considered the most intelligent. Then they use their results ignore everyone else. So China when I was there had a national average of 105 IQ. So they boast how smart they are. But actually. 105 is the average IQ amongst their SMARTEST students. Not EVERY student. So technically it
<SiFuh_>
makes them fucking stupid.
<SiFuh_>
In the Muslim world. Palestine has the lowest IQ. But that is because they are trapped in an open air prison with pretty much no real education.
<SiFuh_>
Lowest IQ in 2005 was Guinea in Africa but those guys don't problem solve like modern people do. So how the fuck can they test them? Average IQ was 50 back then
<SiFuh_>
Many say Chinese are smart because of all the shit they do in electronics. Actually the manufacturing is all done there. Many are foreign companies that hire them for cheap labor. Chinese are not very good at inventing stuff anymore. They just copy and paste shit then modify it. That is why they have spies everywhere stealing other countries shit.
<SiFuh_>
Another country that is just as bad and is getting worse and worse but you never hear much negativity about their intillegence levels is India.
<SiFuh_>
They've been going backwards sine Great Britain left India.
<SiFuh_>
since*
<SiFuh_>
You and I grew up with the tech our fathers invented and we made it better. We had no choice. Today the young people grew up with our father's tech, our software and they don't know shit about it. They just use it. Think they are computer savvy. But really they are just drones.
<SiFuh_>
lavaball said once about how amazing it was that remiliascarlet is where she is now. Sounded sexist because she is a woman. But in another perspective it could have been about her age group.
<SiFuh_>
zorz: You missed ukky and I talking about old tech and slide-rules and stuff. I only know one other person apart from myself that can use a slide-rule. I said yesterday to ukky "It's a dying art"
<SiFuh_>
I travel with a Russian KL-1 circular slide rule. I like it. It's a beautiful piece of tech. But it is outdated now. No way can a 'gen z' work out how to use it. I am sure.
<SiFuh_>
The circular one i have does calcualtions in cos, sin, tan and multiplication.
<SiFuh_>
And yes, I use tan a lot.
<SiFuh_>
So for example. If I know how far away from a tree I am. And what angle from me the top of the tree is. I can work out how tall the tree is using tan.
<SiFuh_>
Well kind of. I don't know the opposite or hypotenuse. I only know the adjacent and the angle.
<SiFuh_>
The one I have here is Soviet Russian. But it was made in Ukraine. I have the same model in Australia from Soviet Russia. And I have one straight slide rule from Germany and another from the US.
<SiFuh_>
The Ukraine one wasn't very strong. So the needles fell off. So I reattached them using LOC-TITE. But LOC-TITE can't set unless it is in an environment without oxygen. So after I placed the needles back on, I put them in an air-tight bag and filled it with Propane gas. Two days later, I checked and the LOC-TITE set solid.
<SiFuh_>
zorz: ukky: this is the one I travel with.
<zorz>
what is this?
<SiFuh_>
Circular slide-rule (A Soviet Calculator)
<SiFuh_>
I mostly use it for multiplication. For example currency conversion
<SiFuh_>
The faded off-colour yellow side*
<SiFuh_>
The white side is for your friend Pythagoras
<SiFuh_>
You can't see the second marker pin. But if I leave it set to 1 and rotate the needles to 35.17 (I would actually do 3.5) then I can rotate the dial to whatever Japanese Yen is and the small marker pin will line up with how many RM Malaysia it costs.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: The ruler you have is nice tool, but I would prefer to use a regular calculator to do simple math ops.
<zorz>
Pythagoras... again Greek... the best!
<zorz>
hehehe
<SiFuh_>
Chckdsk you zorzy!
<zorz>
SiFuh_: Greeks... invent everything
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Yes but I don't need sunlight or batteries
<SiFuh_>
zorz: Yeah, morons too
<zorz>
SiFuh_: no ruler... pencil or pen... pens are expensive:P
<ukky>
Your environment is different, so in your case you should not depend on batteries
<SiFuh_>
ukky: zorz: I still use a pencil and a notebook. My contact list isn't even on my phone. It is in an address book.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: You are an artist, thus you need a pencil (for drawing)
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Was in a hardware store two months ago. They asked me for my wife's number. I said "Wait. I need to open my contact list" Pulled out the book. They all were laughing so hard. I turned to the old lady customer behind me and asked her "What's so funny?" and she says "I use an address book too. I don't know!"
<SiFuh_>
I turned back to the lady at the counter and said "I don't need to charge the batteries in this" and the male attendant beside her just burst out laughing more.
<ukky>
I used virgin punch card to write down important numbers/info
<SiFuh_>
ukky: In Australia, I sill ahve the programming cables for those old Nokia.
<ukky>
Me too, I still have serial cable to program Siemens C56
<SiFuh_>
I still have a few Nokia 3310 laying around I think. Unless I threw them out like I did with my Donkey Kong Game in 2014
<SiFuh_>
Or 2015. Can't remember which unless I look in my passport.
<ukky>
How dare you throw away tools, cables and tech? That should never happen, unless you were very angry at smb/smth...
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I was pissed off when I came back from Kyrgyzstan and couldn't find my Donkey Kong game. I went through everything. So I can only assume I threw it out.
<SiFuh_>
That's why I bought the one I showed you the other day but had been watching online for several years.
<SiFuh_>
Finally found me a good one at a good price.
<ukky>
If you don't remeber throwing it away, them maybe it wasn't you?
<ukky>
s/them/then/
<SiFuh_>
No, I think I do remember and where. I think I was outside in the garage and looked at it for a second and just hoiked it
<ukky>
I don't throw away bent nails... One day I will straiten it up and use it
<SiFuh_>
I have many. But I will sell them
<SiFuh_>
My money comes from selling scrap metal and making moonshine.
<ukky>
Nah, I am shitty seller
<SiFuh_>
I have friends ;-)
<SiFuh_>
Actually I am going tomorrow to sell tin cans, PET bottles, cardboard, printers, computers and an oven.
<SiFuh_>
Here there is no point straightening nails. They rust too fast from the humidity. Just add the extra weight to the tin cans.
<SiFuh_>
Here tin cans are worth more per KG than beer cans
<SiFuh_>
Last I checked it was like 1. something MYR for a KG of aluminium but 5.6 MYR for a KG of tin cans.
<ukky>
How do you protect fasteners in such humid env?
<SiFuh_>
I use stainless for everything
<SiFuh_>
I unless the frame is aluminium then I use aluminium screws
<ukky>
I do prefer SS too, but options are limited
<SiFuh_>
I'd say roughly 99% of what I have is stainless. Even hinges.
<SiFuh_>
And if I had to, I'd save them and straighten them too.
<ukky>
Aluminum oxidizes, I don't use it
<SiFuh_>
When I get a smelter eventually. I will make iron and aluminium and copper bricks.
<SiFuh_>
So does stainless
<ukky>
SS depends on quality/type
<SiFuh_>
Mostly because aluminium is used it many stainless steel products
<ukky>
Medical SS is probably the best
<SiFuh_>
My ... what do you call that? Hmmm
<ukky>
SS 316
<SiFuh_>
Shaving is not stainless but clippers and scissors and tweezers and dental stuff are stainless high quality medical grade
<ukky>
SS 304 is not as good as SS 316
<SiFuh_>
Bathroom uses 304 and it is fucking shit.
<ukky>
Yeah, 304 may rust
<SiFuh_>
I hate 304 very much.
<SiFuh_>
Not may. It does
<SiFuh_>
It's poor quality.
<ukky>
304 is probably the cheapest SS
<SiFuh_>
Stainless, aluminium and tin doesn't mix well with the weather.
<SiFuh_>
Can't sell it here.
<SiFuh_>
I gave a 304 lid to them and they put a magnet on it and said "Shit!" Then I watched them throw it in the tin pile.
<ukky>
You can try 316 in your humid env
<SiFuh_>
My Stainless Steel distiller is non-magnetic. It's insanely high quality.
<SiFuh_>
I bought it from Russia
<ukky>
But stainless _can_ be magnetic, it depends on the grade
<SiFuh_>
Yes and if it is, it's junk
<SiFuh_>
Too much tin in it
<SiFuh_>
I learned that when I was in my twenties. Magnet sticks to SS it's garbage. Doesn't stick, it is valuable.
<ukky>
For your environment 304 is probably as bad as regular steel
<SiFuh_>
304 is always sold here.
<SiFuh_>
I don't buy it.
<SiFuh_>
And I also hate stainless blades. They get blunt too fast
<ukky>
Some of my bolts/nuts/fasteners ahave mark '316 SS'
<SiFuh_>
All of mine are
<SiFuh_>
For shaving my razor is aBismarck Straight Razor. Not stainless.
<SiFuh_>
It holds the edge better that Stainless
<SiFuh_>
than*
<ukky>
For knives, razors, stainless is bad.
<SiFuh_>
Yep. Iron is the best but the problem is iron rusts too fast.
<ukky>
My kitchen knives have label 'Stainless with high carbon'. I guess they are just made of steel.
<SiFuh_>
They mix it with carbon.
<SiFuh_>
Carbon can be sourced from anywhere. 10KG loaves of bread and 1KG of steel. For an exgerated example.
<ukky>
These knives are much than previous stainless
<SiFuh_>
better* ?
<ukky>
yeah, s/much than/much better than/
<ukky>
I hate sharpening stainless knives
<SiFuh_>
When I get my hands on a rusted blade. I usually wire brush the crap out of it. Heat it up in a flame until it turns blue. I then cool the cutting edge in cold water and the rest of the blade in _warm_ oil.
<SiFuh_>
It never rusts. Stays sharp forever and looks cool with a blue blade.
<SiFuh_>
I hone the razor once every 2 years with a 2 or a 5K stone. I will need to check on that. And strop it with leather around 50 times (25 per side) before and after shave.
<SiFuh_>
I just checked ukky It's 10K
<SiFuh_>
There is another CRUX user that uses a straight razor for shaving like me and he is much younger than me, serpente.
<ukky>
I have no good wetstones. My bad, need to buy some. But I have only one good knife, so no need to have a collection of wetstones.
<SiFuh_>
My room has more knives that the kitchen
<ukky>
Haha
<SiFuh_>
And I never go out in public without a blade.
<SiFuh_>
When I told the wife to join me in the jungle. I handed her a blade and said "Your's keep it, protect it, never lose it. Greatest tool you will ever own. NEVER LEAVE IT BEHIND"
<SiFuh_>
Heh she always carries it when she goes jungle. Taught her to constantly check her pockets also. Told her that if she realises it is missing, go back and find it. No matter what.
<SiFuh_>
I think the name of the series was "I shouldn't be alive" where in one episode (Based on true stories) the guy left his machette behind. He had walked like 2km before realising he lost it. Then decided to just go on without it. I was shouting at the TV. GO BACK YOU FSCKING MORON!
<ukky>
Snow shovel is more important tool to have in Canada.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: By the way, you mentioned your Cornflakes couldn't get to Disney Land? Did you ever get OpenBSD to boot?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Heh, not sure, never been there. My shovel has a saw and knife and a compass and a spanner on it ohhhh and the most important part a bottle opener :-P
<ukky>
Yeah, I did make it boot. I had to disable I2C protocol, otherwise it keeps rebooting in a loop
<SiFuh_>
ukky: But you didn't set it up?
<SiFuh_>
sysupgrade fw_update pkg_add are your friends
<ukky>
I probably have like 4 or 5 different kinds of shovels for different snow/ise type
<ukky>
s/ise/ice/
<SiFuh_>
Inuits
<SiFuh_>
Hehe
<SiFuh_>
When I lived in Kyrgyzstan. Hold on. Better I explain something first.
<ukky>
Well, OpenBSD boots now without reboots, but I2C is disabled. As soon as I enable it, OpenBSD cannot complete kernel loading.
<SiFuh_>
In Kyrgystan they think everything was from them. They are special, like zorz is with Greece. They think tomatoes came from Central Asia. That cooking meat on a stick over fire was their invention. That making "Dim Sum"? Which is not Chinese but Vietnamese but the Chinese popularized was invented by them "Manti"? So everything is so special about them.
<ukky>
I know 'Manti'
<zorz>
ukky: wise move to move to openbsd,,, i think.
<ukky>
zorz: I didn't move to OpenBSD. I need it for research. I now have all three of them at home (Open, Net, free).
<SiFuh_>
So I was in Krygyzstan and was walking down the street and landed on my back after slipping on ice. I got up. Dusted myself off. Walked into the Magazine (Convenience store) bought a pair of socks, two metal scourers for the kitchen and installed them. Went to work. Finished. Before going home. I sat down to put the socks on over my boots and stuff the scourers inside the socks. An Irish woman asked
<SiFuh_>
me what I was doing. I said "I ain't going to slip on ice ever again. I hate cold, ice and snow unless it is to do with my beer" she said "I like that. It's a great idea" I said "Don't worry. In 5 years time, the Kyrgyz will take this old military technique and say it is their idea" She burst out laughing and the boss came over and said "What weird shit are you doing now SiFuh?" I showed her and she
<SiFuh_>
said "I love this idea". I said to the Irish woman "See, it has begun"
<SiFuh_>
So for about 5 months I walked around with steel scourers under the soles on my boots with socks holding them on. Never slipped again.
<SiFuh_>
I did look into buying crampons but they are not good for walking streets with ice and the shop selling them was miles away from where I lived.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Haha. Here, we just learn how to walk on ice. Well, we can ever run on ice, without any tech on your shoes D
<SiFuh_>
ukky: My favorite sport apart from WRC is Ice Hockey and I played as a goalie in the 90's for the Brisbane Bandits. I don't like ice.
<SiFuh_>
Unless like a ice rink and I had ice skates. Then I freaking love it.
<SiFuh_>
But no toe pick. I hate those skates. Hockey skates are the best.
<SiFuh_>
Ooooo Japan should ahve a few Ice skating rinks. I should find and take the wife.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Ice skating rinks! Find for me in Tokyo ;-P
<SiFuh_>
ukky: On the 11th I am going to force her to Go-Cart race. I hope it rains. It's more fun that way.
<ukky>
Never driven carts myself, but those should be fun
<SiFuh_>
My wife's life is so boring. I have been introducing her slowly to things I use to do often. She hates it until she does it.
<ukky>
Is it like 50 cc engine?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: In the wet more fun. The tyres are slicks so then slide in water. Good luck doing corners
<SiFuh_>
The track I am taking her last time used 600CC engines
<zorz>
free is like linux
<zorz>
but you can have libressl and ipf
<SiFuh_>
Linux isn't free zorz. It's enlsaved by climate change hoaxers and LGTV pedo whores that have pronouns
<SiFuh_>
Imagine Theo vs' them. I'd read that shit
<zorz>
linux.... i told you, if not now... sure 7.7 i will move.
<ukky>
zorz: Almost. But you cannot run some proprietory Linux SW on FreeBSD. I need that SW for work.
<SiFuh_>
You said 7.8 zorz hahahahahahaha
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
i corrected it
<SiFuh_>
ukky: It is why my wife's laptop runs Pedo Gates Windows shit.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: 600 cc is crazy
<SiFuh_>
zorz: I was teasing you dude.
<SiFuh_>
600cc is usually normal for adults.
<SiFuh_>
Kiddy shit is about 50CC
<zorz>
ukky i dont know,,, but coprs & govs are curious what you do online so..... bsds are a solution
<zorz>
Honda 50cc the besT!
<zorz>
with 3 speeds... you know them SiFuh_ ?
<SiFuh_>
Genting highlands were like 50CC or probably less. I watched them drive whilst waiting in the queue. Turned to my friend and said "No fscking way" and he knew what I was talking about and said he agrees and walked off.
<ukky>
zorz: If all my tools for work would work in FreeBSD I would switch right away to FreeBSD.
<zorz>
dont know ukky what tools and i am not an expert like you. but compamring to linux freebsd is much better.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Story for you. I had a job to pick up a guy from the hospital in my taxi. Was badly beaten. He had a cast over his arm and a bandage over his knee. I looked at him and said "What happened" He said long story. I said long ride. Basically he was driving around the streets in a Go-Cart and the cops caught him. Beat the shit out of him. Broke his arm. He was mad and I was not happy. When we were
<SiFuh_>
about 4 KM from his home he said "That's my fucking Go-Cart. I can't leave that there" Police never took it. Heh. I said "You drive it right with a broken arm?" He said "Yeah, what are you planning?" I said "Drive it home. I follow you and I will use my taxi to block the view from behind" He said "Deal!" That freaking cart man. I couldn't keep up with a Ford Falcon carrying a V6 engine.
<ukky>
zorz: funny you think I am an expert. I consider myself a beginner. There is so much to learn.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Don't ask zorz. He never reads the manual
<SiFuh_>
I think only remiliascarlet and myself are the OpenBSD gurus here
<SiFuh_>
In #OpenBSD I am a nobody :-P
<ukky>
zorz: And yes, BSD is much better than Linux, but BSD drops support for old HW, and that is bad for me, so I stick with Linux.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: You can reintroduce the old hardware if you diff the kernels
<SiFuh_>
I wrote a driver back during the 3.X days for OpenBSD it was still in use as far as I know until the 5.X days. It wouldn't take much to tweak the kernel to put it back in if they removed it.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: I didn't join #openbsd. I have three homegrown experts here.
<SiFuh_>
Whose the third?
<zorz>
heh
<SiFuh_>
lavaball is gone.
<SiFuh_>
Who's*
<ukky>
SiFuh_: zorz is the third expert D
<zorz>
no way
<SiFuh_>
That's a funny joke
<zorz>
just knows a little python, and bash.. no more no less
<SiFuh_>
Well he does know some stuff so there is a start
<ukky>
zorz knows more about OpenBSD than me. I just finished booting it yesterday.
<SiFuh_>
zorz: You did get a fully functional desktop running. That's in your favour dude.
<zorz>
yes i did in 2 pcs
<zorz>
the amd laptop and the old box core duo nvidia gt128
<ukky>
Python is 'no-go' for me. In my perfect distro, Python whould be blacklisted.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Well, the oldest OpenBSD long time user is me so it won't take long for you to get a fully functioning system
<zorz>
ukky i agree... but i make money, i programm bots fro crypto
<SiFuh_>
Technically if it boots it is fully functioning but...
<zorz>
actualy i tried to make the bots, in lua.... but could not figure out websockets.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: I don't think I would like to dig the bug with OpenBSD kernel on my system (iic0 device)
<SiFuh_>
ukky: One of my favorite things about OpenBSD is let's say I install pkg_add qt6 and I don't like it. I can run pkg_delete qt6 and then pkg_delete -a and it removes all dependencies you needed for QT6 as well.
<ukky>
lua is bad too
<SiFuh_>
No more record keeping
<zorz>
ukky scripting language
<SiFuh_>
ukky: You'd be surprised how fast and small the OpenBSD kernel is.
<SiFuh_>
-rwx------ 2 root wheel 27.5M Dec 7 15:09 /bsd
<zorz>
yes kernel is fast
<SiFuh_>
27.5 MB
<ukky>
POSIX shell is good enough scripting language
<zorz>
xterm in openbsd works like charm
<zorz>
ukky yes but not for my use.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Yes, I have already checked OpenBSD kernel size. My Linux kernel is also pretty lean (~22MiB)
<SiFuh_>
OpenBSD's xterm is different from Linux xterm. OpenBSD re-wrote pretty much everything to do with X
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Did you check out the kernel config yet?
<SiFuh_>
zorz: Pretty clever that ukky did the config -e on like day one.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Fast learner
<ukky>
SiFuh_: I had no choice. You were asleep.
<SiFuh_>
You didn't ask
<SiFuh_>
You jost told me about Knott's Berry Farm and some Doritoes
<ukky>
It was like 10PM EST
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Haha
<SiFuh_>
[09 45 28] [ukky> OpenBSD install was smooth, but kernel reboots before loading userland
<ukky>
I had to shoot a video of OpenBSD booting to firure out which device was at fault
<zorz>
SiFuh_: ukky: why to use tree, use this: find . -print | sed -e 's;[^/]*/;|____;g;s;____|; |;g'
<zorz>
hehe
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I've done that
<SiFuh_>
When I use to do remote BSD installs I sometimes had to ask the sys admin to do that too.
<ukky>
Now I need to install Gentoo musl/clang/split-usr to have a better picture of what I need
<zorz>
ukky being busy
<zorz>
CLANG+LLVM is the default compiler on FreeBSD
<ukky>
Even Gentoo went for SystemD crap and made merged-usr as SystemD/udev asked them
<SiFuh_>
ukky: The good old days. System admins were given simple instructions on how to install and create an account for me. I'd then log in remotely and build the system they required. Then call them and tell them I am rebooting now, watch for errors. Then if something went wrong. Get them to record it on a camcorder.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Nowdays we even have network-controlled power bars, so you can just telnet into it and reboot second PC
<SiFuh_>
I remember having to log into IRC through GPRS :-P That was a pain in the butt.
<SiFuh_>
I'd never use telnet
<ukky>
Hey, my Siemens have GPRS
<SiFuh_>
I have a Siemens at home too. Don't know the model.
<zorz>
Siemens? phone?
<SiFuh_>
I remember only one thing. The keypad is in French.
<SiFuh_>
Yes
<ukky>
zorz: Yes, FreeBSD has moved from GNU far far away. I plan on doing the same.
<zorz>
me too
<SiFuh_>
Was given to me by my friend who is French. Sad what happened to him. He won't talk to me anymore when I call him.
<zorz>
next week back to openbsd,,, if it feets ok, otherwise freebsd.
<ukky>
One of my PS2 keyboards is French
<SiFuh_>
He took injection and had a stroke. Now he can't talk properly and is in a care facility. My brother found him and spoke with him and he said all he does is grunt. And when my brother asked if he remembered me he shook his head saying no. We spent 15 years hanging out together.
<SiFuh_>
zorz: Your a distro/OS whore.
<SiFuh_>
You're
<zorz>
and because of this i created bookmarks manager in bash
<zorz>
hahahaha
<SiFuh_>
ukky: My favorite keyboard is Thai but it is PS/2
<zorz>
wait sifuh is cool
<SiFuh_>
I know
<SiFuh_>
Everyone thinks that.
<ukky>
I still have a PC with DIN connector (I think)
<SiFuh_>
Today went to two shops and my wife was saying she wants to go home and she can't understand why all the staff loves talking to me. I said it is because I am cool
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I accidentally dropped it off the roof of a construction site and it smashed onto the concrete. It stopped working. I pulled it apart. Cleaned it up. And it worked again. Only damage was a shattered corner near the CD tray (YES CD not DVD)
<SiFuh_>
ukky: That was a joke that zorz should probably remember. I mentioned a story about a Greek guy and zorzing people and told him the story and he said "That's because we Greeks just do things better"
<zorz>
dont worry it works
<SiFuh_>
zorz: Fix your fucking problems
<SiFuh_>
That site will teach you to write script better than "it works"
<zorz>
it works... another time i fix.... no problems.
<SiFuh_>
My scripts work zorz. And I still run it through the shell check program and see what shit I made of it.
<ukky>
s/on/about/
<SiFuh_>
ukky: If that is Theo's rack then it is the reason why his electric bills are so high
<zorz>
ukky: dont forget the A/C
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I love the Sparc64's he has. I want them
<SiFuh_>
ukky: That photo changes every few years. Wonder if he still has the Alpha.
<SiFuh_>
Hah the Alpha is still there!
<ukky>
SiFuh_: 4th from top right
<SiFuh_>
There are two ukky
<SiFuh_>
My funeral was the day Compaq bought out Alpha.
<ukky>
Yes, I see, on the left
<SiFuh_>
Alpha was my most favorite hardware I had ever used. Sparc64 was second.
<SiFuh_>
Although there was a design flaw with Sparc64. Came to my office to find it full of smoke. Shut down all power and went to investigate. It was the Sparc64 OpenBSD proxy server. The CPU got so hot it melted the plastic cover above it. So I ended up removing the plastic cover completely.
<ukky>
And then HP bought Compaq to do the same
<SiFuh_>
Hate HP as much as Dell and Compaq.
<SiFuh_>
I had a rule when people were buying laptops. If it starts with A, B, C, D or HP. Don't buy it.
<ukky>
Dell makes better PCs though than HP
<zorz>
my first laptop in 98 was compaq.... bullshit
<ukky>
Compaq made good PC at the time
<SiFuh_>
I'd say 70% of the machines I had to repair were Compaq. Rest were Acer, Asus and Dell. Oh and two HP's
<zorz>
if i buy again only thinkpad x1 carbon or t
<SiFuh_>
Thinkpad pre-lenovo were good
<zorz>
SiFuh_: this msi is not bad at all
<SiFuh_>
My MSI is running 9front
<zorz>
bios is not so top... but okay
<SiFuh_>
BIOS sucks in it
<zorz>
hahahaha
<ukky>
I would never buy a laptop
<SiFuh_>
I did the cheat codes to get full access to the BIOS and disabled UEFI and the freaking thing wouldn't boot.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: When you live out of a sea bag for 20 years, you'd buy a laptop.
<zorz>
how about this system76??? any good?
<SiFuh_>
System76?
<zorz>
yes linux specific
<ukky>
In one of my latest PCs, if you disable UEFI, you would be seeing garbage in the BIOS setup
<zorz>
which ones have okay bios for you? gigabyte?
<SiFuh_>
My metabox i7 with CRUX on it would show a nice startup with UEFI but legacy it was missing most of the display
<SiFuh_>
zorz: To be 100% honest. BIOS is uneccessary and a waste of space.
<ukky>
zorz: Any server-grade motherboard (non-Dell, non-HP) should have nice BIOS
<SiFuh_>
Sparc64 ;-)
<zorz>
ooooo
<SiFuh_>
ukky: When I was working for the PM of Malaysia the HPs we had, had pretty good BIOS.
<zorz>
loook now i settle in greece... and at a point i will build my desktop
<zorz>
thats why i am asking
<zorz>
benq monitors are good?
<SiFuh_>
zorz is a Greek settling in Greece.
<SiFuh_>
Heh
<SiFuh_>
No
<ukky>
I have Gigabyte motherboard on my main system, and BIOS is nice. Though, it has issues detecting SATA if Legacy boot is enabled.
<SiFuh_>
A, B, C, D or HP <-- B = BenQ
<zorz>
asus
<zorz>
c?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I liked DFI Lanparty but they are dead and no longer in production
<SiFuh_>
Compaq zorz
<zorz>
hahahahahaa
<zorz>
compaq is HP
<SiFuh_>
Acer, Asus, Apple, BenQ, Compaq, Dell and Hewlet Packard.
<SiFuh_>
Not when I made up this quote.
<SiFuh_>
By the way. For your information BenQ screens suck dick. Over time the screens do some weird shit. Like cracking, peeling, and become sticky.
<ukky>
zorz: just don't buy pre-made HP or Dell PC. They cut out everything that is not part of initial specs.
<SiFuh_>
The actual screen part where the display is.
<zorz>
LG?
<SiFuh_>
Lifes Gay? Never used
<zorz>
no i buy the parts and fix it... IKEA style
<zorz>
heh
<zorz>
IKEA Desktop
<zorz>
i will never have a desktop :P
<SiFuh_>
ukky: He should just build his own. Buy a Li Lian case and build the rest of the hardware but make sure it is compatible. Some hardware doesn't play nice with other hardware.
<ukky>
I have Dell U2713HM with 2560x1440. It is not bad. But I use 2D only and do not game.
<SiFuh_>
I play dos games :-P But my machines are all running that fake 3D shit.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: My main PC is fully assembled from different components. I have 15 fans in it.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Dust collector?
<zorz>
what is Li Lian case... hm let me check
<ukky>
SiFuh_: No, it is my main PC. All other PCs are toys.
<zorz>
120euro 240 euro
<zorz>
man i buy a case not a cpu!
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
they are cool thogh, i listen to sifuh
<ukky>
My case is Thermaltake
<zorz>
Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Mini Black
<SiFuh_>
Yeah don't buy the full tower (The super large towers). If you move them so does your boards and you won't like that.
<zorz>
mini black looks good
<SiFuh_>
Like to see a photo of ukky's 15 fan tech. Hope the fans are set up correctly :-P
<SiFuh_>
zorz: First Lian Li cases were designed to be dropped off of sky scrapers :-P
<zorz>
leathal weapons
<SiFuh_>
They have shock absorbers for hard drives and are fully modifiable with dust filters and all the works
<zorz>
actually i found a use for chatgpt... change all my bash scripts to ksh
<SiFuh_>
Armolite Lian Li (Don't recommend) also have variable fan speed control.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Fans are driven by controller, and are attached in 5 groups, not counting CPU fans (I have 4 fans)
<zorz>
nvme
<SiFuh_>
zorz: ChatGPT is so full of shit. I ask it shit, it answers wrong. I the recorrect it and it then says "Yes, I see, you are correct" then send me more bullshit.
<zorz>
hahaha
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Yes but you want to create a current so you can't just force air in or out. You need to design the fan setup to cause the current. So an in, pass through your equipment and an out.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Here in Malaysia they often remove the side panel to keep the system cold. This is actually a very bad thing to do. The fans basically become useless.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: My intake fans are rotating at 800RPM and exaust fans are rotating at 700RPM
<SiFuh_>
And my next question ukky. Why on earth would you need 15 fans in Canada?
<zorz>
he has a warm home
<ukky>
SiFuh_: I agree, there is no poin in having fans if you remove side panel
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Should be the other way around or exactly the same.
<ukky>
s/poin/point/
<SiFuh_>
Anyway, don't care. Your PC. If it works then you zorzed it. HAHAHA
<ukky>
SiFuh_: no. You need positive pressure inside the case
<SiFuh_>
If you want to warm up the air. Then sure.
<zorz>
guys have u watched this movie dark city from 1998 ?
<zorz>
is it good?
<SiFuh_>
zorz: That's it. So cold in Canada he wants to warm up the house
<ukky>
Having 15 fans allows me to run them at low speed, because this PC stands right beside me, and it is a server MB with original 10K fans.
<SiFuh_>
zorz: Yes
<SiFuh_>
zorz: And yes
<SiFuh_>
zorz: If you like that you should check out "The Dark Crystal (1982)"
<zorz>
-644 180M Dec 30 17:36 dark_city.mp4
<zorz>
SiFuh_: do you have a torrent with better resolution