<lavaball>
why is dhclient taking forever to get an address?
<lavaball>
it seems only to work if i change it manually to the subnet, and then it switches everything to the dhcpd provided things.
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<farkuhar>
SiFuh: when you say "tmux should not exist", do you mean that there are better ways to satisfy the niche of running persistent applications on a remote server without maintaining a continuous SSH session, or that this niche would not even exist if users were better informed?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: It is an addition. It should exist in any core but in OpenBSD it does.
<SiFuh>
should not*
<SiFuh>
If it isn't required to get your system booted, it should not exist in core
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<serpente>
so, OpenBSD ported Plasma6, with no systemd, polkit, pam or any shit... then i ask again... why CRUX would include these crap if clearly they are no needed even for the shit it is supossed to (Plasma6)
<SiFuh>
cisternd
<SiFuh>
Hmm
<SiFuh>
"Linux is like a therapist: it's always listening, but never really hearing you."
<SiFuh>
"OpenBSD is like a security expert's wedding – everyone's invited, but nobody's having a good time."
<SiFuh>
"Windows 10 is like your aunt at a family reunion – it's always trying to 'update' you, but really it just wants to show you 17 new photos of its cat."
<SiFuh>
"I'm not saying Lennart Poettering and the Linux-pam team are communists, but I heard their plan for systemd and authentication is to make all Linux users equal... in their misery, waiting for the login screen to load, while Lennart Poettering is over here celebrating the triumph of socialism in the land of init systems."
<SiFuh>
Superficial Intelligence is very funny
<SiFuh>
"I heard Obama and his gay husband Michael are having a tough time in their relationship – they're always arguing about who's the more popular husband!"
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<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: I'm not the one wanting to install Tiny11, somebody linked me to it to show the ridiculousness of the warning screen, because they were looking for a stripped down Windows 11 ISO for compiling their games in a Windows VM, but didn't want to get through all the Windows's annoyances.
<remiliascarlet>
Speaking of OpenBSD hardware support, it's sad that I can't connect any of the ThinkPad P-series (or any other ThinkPad with a dual Nvidia and Intel GPU) via HDMI or VGA, because Lenovo decided it was a good idea to hardwire HDMI and VGA ports to Nvidia GPU only, and leave Intel for eDP only.
<remiliascarlet>
serpente: You still need DBus and a whole host of bloat for Plasma 666 though.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: I always call Michael Obama "Big Mike".
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Big Mike and Small Barack
<remiliascarlet>
Linux is like a backstabber: started out as a UNIX replacement, only to slowly become more of a Windows wannabee once it got popular enough.
<remiliascarlet>
You know this stereotype of young hipsters with a MacBook at Starbucks, and in that same Starbucks you'll find business men or women with a ThinkPad? I can tell you that this is very correct.
<SiFuh>
I went to a Starbucks once. It was in China. I asked for a flat white and they gave me some bubbly iced up shit that I never drank and I have never been back
<SiFuh>
With on exception. My friend met a guy at Starbucks for a meeting and I turned up with beer.
<remiliascarlet>
The only thing I can drink there is "drip coffee", which is just black coffee with nothng else in it anyway.
<remiliascarlet>
And I always make sure to make them put it in a mug, so I don't have to deal with microplastics in their so-called "paper cups".
<SiFuh>
Hmm, you know microplastics are in the water and the coffee grinds as well right?
<remiliascarlet>
But I prefer Doutor, they have much better coffee, and it's much cheaper too. It's just annoying to get there, because the ones closeby have a 2 hour limit per person per seat, and those without this limit are far away.
<SiFuh>
You know there are nano plastics as well which are in the air?
<remiliascarlet>
Still a reduction.
<SiFuh>
Just drink beer
<remiliascarlet>
You can't avoid micro plastics, but you can reduce it.
<SiFuh>
They are poisoning and killing you every way possible and they tell you drinking a beer is bad.
<SiFuh>
That is like turning on the no-smoking sign when your plane is crashing.
<SiFuh>
Fuck off... If that plane is going down, I am smoking a fucking cigarette!
<SiFuh>
I always checkout who are the smokers before I board a flight. :-P
<remiliascarlet>
Same with food. Red meat is the most nutrisiously dense food on the planet, and they tell you it's bad. If it wasn't for meat, we'd still be little chimps with tiny brains today.
<SiFuh>
"Hey, you can't smoke in here!" "Why? You afraid it will kill us? Go look out the window and check out how fast the ground is moving towards us"
<remiliascarlet>
Unless you land in the ocean.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I don't believe in their bullshit story of evolution. It is illogical
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Worse still. Who wants to land in the ocean?
<remiliascarlet>
The whole religious "you're created in the image of god" is bullshit rather.
<remiliascarlet>
Makes no sense at all.
<SiFuh>
Pretty sure you don't read anything to do with history then
<SiFuh>
It does if your gods are aliens from another planet and GMO'd you
<SiFuh>
Monkeys cannot evolve to talk. This has confused scientists for a long time. The other thing that annoys them is why are monkeys stronger, faster, more adapative than humans and where the hell did the human foot come from? It's ridiculous.
<SiFuh>
Everytime they ask these questions and investigate it, it leads them to the same result. Something manipulated or created us.
<remiliascarlet>
I always feel like injecting religion into dissent/truther movements is nothing more than yet another Flat Earth, but with a larger following. Both meant to make the truther/dissent movements appear ridiculous.
<SiFuh>
Today many say it is god that did it. But if you look deeper into the roots of their religions it shows that it was moreso an extraterrestrial race or another sentient being that did it.
<SiFuh>
Read this. It isn't long. Take it with you next time you are in Fartbucks or some other shit coffee place
<SiFuh>
It's in Yoda English so it may be a little difficult to follow for a modern English speaker.
<SiFuh>
As a Japanese, you'd probably pick it up pretty quickly.
<remiliascarlet>
The reason why I go to these coffee places is more for productivity reasons. I just can't get my work done, or even started if I work from home, because the injected keep sending in ambulances every 10 minutes or so.
<SiFuh>
It actually starts on page 10
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: HAHAHA
<remiliascarlet>
"It isn't long." 256 pages.
<remiliascarlet>
246
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Look at the pages starting from page 10
<SiFuh>
There are lots of white spaces
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: thanks for explaining your stance on tmux. I figured it was probably an omitted qualifier, rather than a blanket dismissal of the entire use-case that tmux addresses.
<farkuhar>
By the way, did you ever get the DRM removed from that ebook you linked to the other day?
<SiFuh>
No
<SiFuh>
It's not even a full copy. I can get the copy. I'd just have to screen record the book and then screenshot ever page ;-)
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I made a joke for the fuckign AI "I went to an ice cream parlour. It was full of leftists. I couldn't figure out where the ice cream was due to all the different colours scattered around the place."
<SiFuh>
Then the AI responded "I was trying to order a scoop, but I got lost in the sea of solidarity. I mean, I've seen rainbow flags, but I've never seen a rainbow-sprinkled ice cream cone before. I finally asked the guy behind the counter, 'Excuse me, where's the ice cream?' And he said, 'Oh, you mean the oppression? It's on the left.'"
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Make a GIF animation of that book to tax your bandwidth.
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<farkuhar>
What kh1b was asking about in #crux (ssh into a new installation to finish the setup) is a use-case that OpenBSD might have had in mind when putting tmux in the base install. If the sysadmin can rely on tmux being available, then multiple simultaneous ssh connections are not needed, to run more than one interactive process during the inital setup.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yet it isn't required to boot the system.
<SiFuh>
Besides, he is talking about the installation CD and not the core system.
<lavaball>
why is dhclient nic so slow?
<lavaball>
in openbsd.
<lavaball>
tell me now!
<SiFuh>
Now!
<lavaball>
great.
<SiFuh>
You're welcome
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: a possibly underappreciated feature of the CRUX installation ISO is the fine-grained selection of packages. If there's anything in core that you know can be omitted from the installation without affecting the first boot (e.g., exim), then you're free to toggle it off. I don't recall seeing such fine-grained control in the initial installation of OpenBSD.
<SiFuh>
Heh
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: You can't compare a complete BSD system with a source based Linux distro
<SiFuh>
And you can't leave out any core packages in CRUX without having to see what depends on what and then recompile that port you took the dependency from.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: understood. But anyone who's accumulated enough experience with CRUX should be able to identify the packages in core that aren't satisfying dependencies for other core packages.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: You like ice hockey?
<SiFuh>
Try being a Washington Capitals fan living in RI and Boston ;-)
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: not an ice hockey fan, sorry
<SiFuh>
Good, cause you'd cry that the Rangers won. hahahaha
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<dlcusa>
remiliascarlet: You wrote "It makes no sense at all." It's not supposed to. It's like you're the shrimp contenplating the nuclear submarine, except that's not even close to us contemplating God.
<dlcusa>
Try reading the Book of Job, which probably was written before Moses lived, maybe even as early as Abraham.
<dlcusa>
SiFuh, yes, except that God does not take no notice of us--quite the opposite, in fact.
<dlcusa>
It makes no sense.
<dlcusa>
To us.
<dlcusa>
To us.
<remiliascarlet>
dlcusa: Then prove it! At least with evolution, we have skeletons being dug up, analyzed, and we get to conclusions based on that. But the bible or quran or however the holy text of your religion of choice calls it is solely on a "trust me brat, I totally had a Zoom meeting with God, so he totally exists, you can totally take my word for it guys" basis.
<remiliascarlet>
Watched, but still not convinced.
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<remiliascarlet>
Religion is really just large scale brainwashing.
<remiliascarlet>
Although one good thing about it is that it doubles as a societal glue that keeps otherwise mutually incompatible people to agree with each other.