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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Is that a trannie soy-dog?
<remiliascarlet>
Maybe.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Just had a fight with pragma in #c, he clearly hates me because every time I say something, he immediately jumps out of the wood works to tell me how stupid I am. So I told him if he's pregnant every day (or a vegan with too much fiber stuck in his ass), because I can't imagine someone being so miserable on IRC all the time, then he said he "imagine being stupid all the time", so I said
<remiliascarlet>
"you seem to know all about it, so tell me how that feels like". And I think he lost his mind so much, he didn't post a single thing since then.
<remiliascarlet>
Meanwhile, others were just laughing.
<SiFuh>
I think you are far from stupid to be fair
<remiliascarlet>
And all I said to be considered "stupid" was that somebody said "keikoz from X?" he said "imagine calling it X", and I jokingly said "Maybe a hot take, but X is better than Wayland.", and he believed I seriously thought I didn't know they were talking about Twitter.
<remiliascarlet>
And attacked me over it.
<remiliascarlet>
So that was a hillarious interaction, considering that he always seems to be acting like the big guy who knows it all.
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: My friend who lost his job because he refused to take the injection decided he had enough with life and was going to take it because he wanted to die. After I abused the hell out of him. He decided not to. Then his other friend that I also know was pissed off about it and thanked me for talking my friend out of it.
<SiFuh>
Anyway, his son was injected. 12 months later he came home. Vomited on the front lawn. Lay down in bed because he was feeling sick. Then had a heart attack and died. 34 years old.
<remiliascarlet>
Which is why I'm glad I never took the injection.
<remiliascarlet>
Even if I would have been pro-vax, and it really was safe and effective, I would still not get it. Because if even according to the official statistics there's a 99.6% survival rate, then what's even the point in taking it?
<remiliascarlet>
That's what I said to some of my normie friends, and it worked to some of them, others took it anyway.
<SiFuh>
I still find it interesting that almost all of my friends never took it. Even without me telling them not too. But ALL of my brother's friend took it. My brother didn't though.
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<SiFuh>
WHO Head Refuses to Surrender — Pledges Takeover of the Planet
<remiliascarlet>
WHO Head is an idiot.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I want him to visit me
<SiFuh>
I will dismember that cunt and stuff him in the trash can where he belongs.
<farkuhar>
Line 56 of /etc/rc is what creates /run/user on first boot. For CRUX MUSL should we change the mode to 1775 and the group to "users"? That way our login scripts (~/.xsession or ~/.profile) can create /run/user/$UID, since we don't have a PAM module to do it automatically.
<farkuhar>
I haven't made an exhaustive list of all the software that relies on /run/user/$UID, but it's safer to create the directory than to risk the occasional breakage.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I am not building CRUX musl anymore. But if I do, I will consider it. I left it in the hands of you guys
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Okay, let you and everyone else document it fully. Then when you and they are satisfied send to me, and I will do a full updated CRUX MUSL
<SiFuh>
Almost like how I documented everything I did.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: your CRUX-MUSL.txt is a good foundation to build upon. Any alterations to the ISO build process can easily be incorporated into a similar document.
<SiFuh>
Mine was a guide to me that can also prove I followed CRUX ISO standards
<SiFuh>
Hence the lack of detail.
<SiFuh>
But yes, you guys play and find out what needs updating or modifiying. Once satisfied, send to me and I will begin a new rebuild
<SiFuh>
I don't have the resources jaeger has to be able to update an ISO on the spot.
<SiFuh>
And besides. My goal was to have a MUSL ISO for you guys so you don't need to suffer with cross compilations. Let it grow from you guys and not from me.
<SiFuh>
Ask emmett1 about cross compilations. I bet he has some choice words ;-)
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Apparently, duck is considered to be red meat, unlike chicken or turkey.
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I consider duck and turkey to be a grey meat
<SiFuh>
And Black Chicken.
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<farkuhar>
According to the freedesktop.org basedir spec, there shouldn't be any applications that break when XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is unset. I guess beerman added dumb_runtime_dir to core as a consequence of his earlier decision to create startup files that explicitly set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/$UID. If you never export such an environment variable, nothing is supposed to break.
<serpente>
tim, you deliberately removed libmount.so.1 from util-linux-32 and thats breaks steam, please consider putting it back
<farkuhar>
But if it's the PAM module itself that exports the environment variable (as line 78 of pam_dumb_runtime_dir.c appears to be doing), then the logic becomes circular. beerman could have just left dumb_runtime_dir out of core, and any application that respects the basedir spec should continue to work.
<farkuhar>
A quick test just now confirms my suspicion. Delete the line "session optional pam_dumb_runtime_dir.so" from /etc/pam.d/common-session, and you don't get any XDG_RUNTIME_DIR in your environment (unless you happened to export it elsewhere).
<serpente>
so... if that is the reason that PAM was moved to core... could not be more stupid
<SiFuh>
serpente: No, jaeger moved PAM to core. He asked for a vote and I was against it. But the majority said they didn't care
<SiFuh>
What farkuhar is talking about is dumnb_runtime_dir in core
<serpente>
voting does not inquire reason, democracy is chaos rulling
<serpente>
thats again stupid
<SiFuh>
And that it even exists to me, and as you will agree is just fucking stupid
<SiFuh>
It's a bandaid
<SiFuh>
That is all it is
<SiFuh>
hence I removed it
<SiFuh>
No democracy = mob rule
<serpente>
i belive jaeger should just follow his intuition there, asked opinions yes, but go with his mind
<SiFuh>
No, *
<SiFuh>
jaeger wanted it
<serpente>
why would one want it? is the question i could never answer
<serpente>
what is it used for?
<serpente>
afterall
<serpente>
we dont need MicroShit SAM like authentication modules
<serpente>
fuck it
<SiFuh>
Tell that CRUX
<SiFuh>
By 2030 CRUX if it is still around will look like red fucking hat
<SiFuh>
And the new motto will be "We don't give a fuck, because we are a bunch of cunts"
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<farkuhar>
It does help keep the home directory relatively uncluttered, if XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is set. Otherwise each application might make its own choice of where to save its temporary files and sockets. If they don't all fall back to the same dot-file directory under $HOME, there might be up to N different temporary directories cluttering $HOME, one for each of the N applications you choose to run.
<farkuhar>
On a standard CRUX install that I inspected just now, the runtime dir contains these directories: at-spi, ccache-tmp, dbus-1, gnupg, and nyxt. If all those programs chose a different fallback dir in the event XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is unset, then $HOME might be more unwieldy to navigate.
<farkuhar>
On CRUX MUSL we can leave that configuration to the user, rather than force them to adopt ifreund's dumb_runtime_dir solution. But it should be documented in the handbook, once we finalize the distro for general use.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: So why the fuck isn't introduced in the .profile or /etc/profile? Why do we need a port for it?
<SiFuh>
Install Xorg should have a profile.d/xdg.conf or something
<SiFuh>
It is clearly a bandaid for lazy maintainers
<SiFuh>
As much as I love jaeger. PAM is sheer laziness
<SiFuh>
They are cutting corners and offloading shit onto people who don't want or need it
<SiFuh>
I don't need no fucking core port when I have a .xsession file that does it.
<SiFuh>
If I install run dumb dir thing... I am installing useless chatter
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: agreed. It does seem like sheer laziness. Put the relevant lines into /etc/profile or some other standard file that's sourced upon login, and don't bother with introducing a new core port.
<SiFuh>
It should be in your .xinitrc or .xsession file.
<SiFuh>
I do not know who did it. But I'd love to punch them in the face. :-P
<SiFuh>
Hmm Malaysia banned all Nunchuku even padded training Nunchuku
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I kind of don't like talking about this topic because it makes my blood boil and my mouth can be fucking lethal.
<SiFuh>
But I understand it needs to be brought up
<remiliascarlet>
Sounds like the UK where they would ban just about anything that can even remotely be used to do physical harm to at least somebody.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Yes, and I am 100% against it and I am keeping my Nunchuku, Kusari Fundo, Boken, Sai, Katana, knives, and whatever. Pry it from my cold dead hands you cunts
<SiFuh>
For a guy who grew up on Hip Hop. Warrant was still awesome
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<zorz>
it depends the use case, pandas is simple, kinda excel for python
<zorz>
sql is database
<zorz>
pandas intergrate sql to python,,, but i found easier to use a direct sql connector.
<zorz>
for large datasets there is an alternative to pandas.... polars. extremely fast
<zorz>
but then again why not to go with redis :)
<zorz>
hahaha
<farkuhar>
zorz: get your twitter in a terminal? It's more impressive if you get your X11 in a terminal (not to be confused with the usual arrangement: a terminal emulator inside X11)
<zorz>
you mean like mscon ?
<farkuhar>
by the way, you missed remiliascarlet's pun on Twitter vs. X (turning the conversation to Wayland vs. X, as if she hadn't understood the context of the discussion)