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<beach> younder: The IDE is not part of the SICL project.
<beach> aeth: We recently extracted CLOS in the form of Clostrophilia.
<beach> aeth: As most modules we extract, it requires a lot. In this particular case, it requires CLOS and the MOP.
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<beach> aeth: ... at bootstrapping time I mean. Not in order to operate, of course.
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<jiny> hi, what does f stands for in incf or decf? how do you pronounce them?
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<dbotton> field I think
<dbotton> inc in field or dec in field
<dbotton> setf set in field
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<dbotton> I say "set eff" but speaking often can be as bad as my typing :)
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<dbotton> ok I usually don't make as many spelling mistakes while speaking
<jiny> can I assume most ****f's stands for field?
<ixelp> lisp - What does the f in setf stand for? - Stack Overflow
<dbotton> It often works out, p or -p is a convention meaning predicate but f is not so clear, although it usually means something changes "in place"
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<dbotton> but this is the guy who calls github = jithub so if I am wrong someone else will correct I am sure
<jiny> thank you.
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<scymtym> dbotton: thread support in SBCL depends on the combination of cpu architecture
<scymtym> and operating system. {x86,x86-64}x{linux,macos,windows} all support threads (and have been for more than 4 year) but that does not imply thread support on arm
<scymtym> for arm, SBCL supports threads on 64-bit arm cpus but not on 32-bit arm cpus. see https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23sbcl?around=1677872589#1677872589
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<dbotton> thanks!
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<beach> I am reading phoe's page "Package-local nicknames in Common Lisp", and I can't find the lambda list of the operators mentioned. I suppose that must be specified somewhere. Does anyone know where that information can be found?
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<bike> i think the "standard" is SBCL's interface https://sbcl.org/manual/#Package_002dLocal-Nicknames
<ixelp> SBCL 2.4.3 User Manual
<beach> Oh, I see. Thanks!
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<younder> beach we should work harder to make hadley a member of our crew.
<younder> Don't know how but I know genius when I see it.
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<beach> That would be hayley.
<beach> hayley wrote the register allocator now in Cleavir v1.
<beach> But since then, she has been busy with her own programming language and a compiler for it.
<beach> Oh, and she wrote the code for SICL hash tables, which we haven't yet extracted by the way.
<beach> Anyway, I'm off for today.
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<Lycurgus> daniel dennet died
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<lispmacs[work]> does anybody know if there is a accessible release of lisp (any dialect), old or modern software, that runs on Windows 2000?
<lispmacs[work]> doing a project with some legacy systems
<random-nick> lispmacs[work]: have you tried corman?
<lispmacs[work]> random-nick: do you mean the recently releases on Github? are they suppposed to work with legacy Windows still?
<Pixel_Outlaw> I think Golden Common Lisp and Star Sapphire *might* be available. Though, they were like DOS era.
<Pixel_Outlaw> gilberth might have some knowledge there too with an Xlisp port.
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<Pixel_Outlaw> Oh looks like an old Clisp page explicitly says Windows 2000. https://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/summary.html
<ixelp> CLISP Common Lisp Summary
<lispmacs[work]> Pixel_Outlaw: sounds appealing... having trouble figuring out what to download
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<Pixel_Outlaw> Actually looks like you might want SBCL 1.1.1
<Pixel_Outlaw> According to the notes, it seems that the next version dropped windows 2000 support.
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<lispmacs[work]> so, clisp has some win32 builds
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<ixelp> Steel Bank Common Lisp - Browse /sbcl/1.1.1 at SourceForge.net
<lispmacs[work]> back at 2.29
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<Pixel_Outlaw> I *think* you want that MSI package. You may need to install it as admin, not sure.
<lispmacs[work]> I'm wondering if these lisps had any support for communication across a network
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<aeth> I think networking is one of the reasons why the pathname functionality in Common Lisp (and before, e.g. in the CHINUAL) is overly general
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<aeth> after all, the separator in some arbitrary OS's filesystem could be anything (although now it's just / or \ for that)
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<Pixel_Outlaw> Well http stuff probably wasn't available when the final draft of CL came out.
<Pixel_Outlaw> *widely
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<Pixel_Outlaw> But I think they probably do have support via add-ons
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<random-nick> lispmacs[work]: if you could get a new enough java version to run then abcl might be an option too
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<mm007emko> lispmacs: Corman Common LISP was open-sourced some time ago, you can find it on Guthub
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<random-nick> the readme on the corman github says it runs on xp sp3 and newer, I wonder if there's a version on github that runs on 2000
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<younder> 2000 is a long time ago
<younder> Support for 32 bit is all but gone. Even VS changed to 64 bit in 2020
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<younder> Your best bet is a Lisp that is designed for embedded system like u-lisp
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