#commonlisp on 2022-08-24 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

2022-07-28 16:55 jackdaniel changed the topic of #commonlisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | Wiki: <https://www.cliki.net> | IRC Logs: <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp> | Cookbook: <https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook> | Pastebin: <https://plaster.tymoon.eu/>

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00:29 <aeth> ugh, it's never NewLisp, but that stupid Ruby library that both Github and Gitlab use loves to false positive certain files as NewLisp instead of Common Lisp

00:30 <aeth> I thought I fixed it with `*.lisp linguist-language=Common-Lisp` in a .gitattributes but I guess there's something else that's a false positive now

00:33 <aeth> Hmm, no, github-linguist says it's 100% Common Lisp. Gitlab in particular must have broken something, perhaps by moving to another library. Fun.

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03:49 <gendl> So I was just getting a bunch of weird errors running an Allegro CL based application in a container - and only on one certain machine

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03:50 <gendl> then i noticed that machine was Ubuntu 16.04 (xenial, kinda old)

03:50 <gendl> and my container image was based on ubuntu:latest

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03:53 <gendl> what seems to have fixed it (knock wood) is basing my container image off ubuntu:xenial instead of ubuntu:latest. Allegro CL was the canary in the coal mine but then i started seeing other weirdness. I guess I didn't know containers aren't infinitely portable (i mean how could they be, they share the underlying kernel, if that kernel is old i'm not sure how it even purports to work)

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04:01 <mathrick> gendl: xenial is way past EOL though, it'd probably be a good idea to upgrade

04:01 <gendl> mathrick: I will alert the customer.

04:04 <mathrick> assuming they care about security, there have been multiple recent, significant privilege escalation flaws found in kernels stretching back 10 years or so, so staying on a maintained kernel is recommended :)

04:08 <gendl> it's their machine but they defacto depend on me as their sysadmin. I guess i should just own the role instead of keeping futily hoping they'll put a real sysadm on it.

04:08 <gendl> in exchange for a few spurts of work now and then, having control over the host makes my life easier on the whole

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05:19 <mathrick> is there a way to get FLET/LABELS definitions accessible when using sldb-eval-in-frame? I have enough debug information for the "v" binding to get me to the right form in the source, but it's a form that calls a FLET function and that errors out claiming the function doesn't exist

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17:30 <flip214> most probably a typo... in vim I press # to highlight the function name, so I can immediately see whether both symbols are identical

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22:55 <gin> CLHS says that prog2 does "yielding as its only value the primary value yielded by first-form." but (prog2 1 2 3 4) yields 2 for me, not 1 which is the first form.

22:57 <aeth> 0-based? a lazy copy-and-paste of prog1?

22:58 <aeth> the latter apparently

22:58 <aeth> it's on the same page as prog1

22:59 <gin> wow! something like prog1, prog2 has a documentation bug that has survived all these years!

23:00 <gin> the "Notes:" in the end clarifies how prog2 is supposed to behave

23:00 <aeth> probably because it's something that's easy to understand without looking up

23:00 <aeth> I'm guessing the documentation might also have bugs with + etc.

23:00 <aeth> fewer eyes

23:00 <Bike> https://www.cliki.net/ANSI%20Clarifications%20and%20Errata

23:01 <gin> is PROGN a mnemonic of something? Program?

23:01 <Bike> prog1 returns the value of the first form, prog2 the second, progn the nth

23:01 <Bike> the prog is short for program indeed, probably

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23:45 <masinter> if a symbol is interned in more than one package, how do i get the list?

23:47 <masinter> why isn't defpackage in the CLHS?

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23:59 <Bike> clhs defpackage

23:59 <specbot> http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defpkg.htm

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