#commonlisp on 2022-08-11 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

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01:21 <fitzsim> Kingsy: yes, on ppc64le, but it's not as fine-grained as e.g., edebug stepping for Emacs Lisp

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03:29 <beach> jcowan: When creating/initializing/reinitializing instances, initargs should be used.

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07:20 <pve> Hi, is a single symbol a "designator" for a list of symbols?

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07:21 <beach> Yes, a singleton list, unless the symbol in NIL.

07:21 <pve> ok, thanks!

07:22 <beach> Check out "list designator" here: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/26_glo_l.htm

07:22 <pve> ah, right, I only checked the entry for "designator"

07:23 <beach> clhs 1.4.1.5

07:23 <specbot> Designators: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/01_dae.htm

07:24 <beach> ``<<type>> designator'' or a ``designator for a <<type>>'' can be found in the Glossary entry for ``<<type>> designator.'')

07:24 <pve> oh, ok

07:25 <pve> that's good to know

07:25 <beach> Indeed.

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11:46 <dim> hi folks!

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11:46 <dim> it seems esrap has changed/broken its semantics predicate feature, does that ring any bell to someone? scymtym maybe?

11:48 <dim> The values (#<FUNCTION (LAMBDA (ESRAP::PRODUCTION) ... NIL NIL) are not of type (VALUES FUNCTION &OPTIONAL); specifically

11:48 <dim> -(defun pgpass-char-p (char)

11:48 <dim> - (not (member char '(#\: #\\) :test #'char=)))

11:48 <dim> +(defrule pgpass-char (not (or #\: #\\)) (:text t))

11:49 <dim> I could fix one instance that way, but I won't be able to fix all of them (not sure about that), and well, it used to work. What changed? why?

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11:53 <scymtym> how was the predicate used before the fix?

11:58 <dim> (defrule pgpass-entry (or "*"

11:58 <dim> (+ (or pgpass-ipv6-hostname

11:58 <dim> pgpass-escaped-char

11:58 <dim> - (pgpass-char-p character))))

11:58 <dim> + pgpass-char)))

11:58 <dim> (:lambda (e) (text e)))

11:58 <dim> sorry about multi-line posts people

12:03 <scymtym> and the error is/was signaled at runtime when the PGPASS-ENTRY rule is evaluated?

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13:06 <dim> well I have the error when compiling pgloader to a binary file with save-lisp-and-die, around loading a fasl file

13:06 <dim> in pgloader, make save to reproduce

13:06 <|3b|> is that current sbcl?

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13:42 <scymtym> dim: does the esrap version you are using include this change: https://github.com/scymtym/esrap/commit/866f28fa7a2c1d3fb6d0d0423850d1f9d955750f ?

13:46 <dim> quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/esrap-20201220-git

13:47 <dim> it does not

13:49 <scymtym> pretty sure that's the problem

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13:58 <dim> okay, how to I try with the patch then? it's not in QL yet?

13:59 <dim> (I can git clone esrap in my build process, I have had to do that with other libs already)

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14:02 <scymtym> i think quicklisp just takes the current tip of the esrap master branch whenever a quicklisp release is made. so i don't know why the change wouldn't have made it into quicklisp. let me try which esrap version i get via quicklisp in a fresh environment

14:03 <dim> well it's supposed to be the one I shared, I believe, because make clean && make save in pgloader would create a fresh environment and that's what I did

14:03 <scymtym> i get "Fetching #<URL "http://beta.quicklisp.org/archive/esrap/2022-03-31/esrap-20220331-git.tgz">" so your build process seems to be stuck on an old version

14:04 <dim> I confirm that cloning esrap from your repository into quicklisp/local-projects fixes the compilation issue for me

14:04 <dim> Installing dist "quicklisp" version "2022-07-08". ; Fetching #<URL "http://beta.quicklisp.org/dist/quicklisp/2022-07-08/releases.txt">

14:05 <dim> I see that in my build system, so it's encouraging

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14:07 <dim> removing the FASL cache to see if that would be the cause of it

14:08 <dim> ; Fetching #<URL "http://beta.quicklisp.org/archive/esrap/2022-03-31/esrap-20220331-git.tgz">

14:08 <dim> yeah that works now

14:09 <dim> thanks for the help debugging scymtym ; appreciated

14:09 <scymtym> dim: sure

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14:12 <dim> (with-output-to-string (stream) (let ((*standard-output* stream) (*error-output* stream) (*trace-output* stream)) (compile nil ...))

14:13 <dim> now I can reproduce the problem: the previous code works in SLIME in that I don't see the compiler notes anymore, but doesn't work from the saved binary, the notes are printed on the terminal

14:13 <dim> what am I missing in terms of environment/context/streams here?

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14:17 <dim> ahah I found it, it's on me again, sorry

14:18 <dim> - (pathname (mapcar (lambda (expr) (compile nil expr))

14:18 <dim> + (pathname (mapcar #'compile-lisp-command

14:18 <dim> the capturing is in that compile-lisp-command thingy that I missed wasn't called in some cases, oops

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15:00 <acma> is there any lisp community page which has a list of local lisp meetups? i feel I can learn better if I can hang out with other lisp devs and watch how they use their editors or IDEs and how they go about their business programming in lisp?

15:01 <beach> I am unaware of such a list. But if you tell us where you live, some people might now of local meetups.

15:02 <beach> s/now/know/ *sigh*

15:04 <beach> I think the main meetup is ELS, but it is only once a year.

15:08 <pjb> acma: there are code casts on youtube.

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15:08 <pjb> acma: live coding: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=common+lisp+live+coding

15:10 <acma> thanks. is it just me or is this a shirtless guy teaching lisp - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9597LFlvMuE

15:11 <beach> I think his shirt has a color similar to that of his skin.

15:12 <pjb> I don't seen any shirt.

15:13 <pjb> acma: perhaps you'd prefer https://www.youtube.com/c/CodeBabes but I've not seen a lisp lecture.

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16:15 <okflo> pjb: you saved my day :)

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17:04 <pjb> okflo: the most surprising, is that the technical content is not bad at all!

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17:23 <shka> acma: heatwaves are no joke

17:23 <shka> and as the wise many said

17:24 <shka> programming on the weekend is like programming on the week day, but pants are optional

17:24 <shka> *wise man

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17:27 <acma> lol

17:28 <acma> shka: are you having a heat wave now?

17:28 <shka> no, it is nice and relatively chilly

17:28 <shka> haha, and in the description of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38nTVFhDcJU

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17:29 <shka> Before you ask no I wasn't wearing a shirt.

17:29 <shka> so that stuck

17:29 <shka> yeah, he is shirtless on every video

17:31 <shka> so that's how the guy rolls

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17:44 <selwynning> > BlenderBot 3 told one of its journalists that Donald Trump was, and will always be, the US president.

17:44 <Bike> is this on topic?

17:44 <selwynning> oh im sorry, posted in the wrong channel

17:45 <Bike> ah

17:46 <Josh_2> shka: who needs a shirt anyway

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