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<stipa>
Loading Environment from FAT... Unable to use mmc 0:1...
<stipa>
and u-boot loads some of it's own, i guess fro ma compilation time
<stipa>
there's a variable not present in the /boot/boot.cmd and some others that are present in a uboot console via printenv
<stipa>
one of them is usb_boot=usb start; if usb dev ${devnum}; then devtype=usb; run scan_dev_for_boot_part; fi that is not present in boot.cmd or armbianEnv.txt
<stipa>
if i remove the variable with "setenv usb_boot" and try to save with saveenv i get
<stipa>
Saving Environment to FAT... Unable to use mmc 0:1...
<stipa>
Failed (1)
<stipa>
researching from that point led me to a post where it says that it doesn't work because the sdcard is not fat32
<stipa>
but it is Disklabel type: dos
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<stipa>
for some reason linux boots without a problem even if u-boot has trouble "seeing" the sdcard
<stipa>
and saving the variables to it
<stipa>
where could be the output of the printenv uboot command found on the sdcard?
<stipa>
if it's not boot.cmd ?
<stipa>
one of the reasons could be that there are more files with variables on the sd card aggregated in the "printenv" output in the uboot console
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<stipa>
nah, it has it's won space on the sdcard
<stipa>
i gues slinux doesn't see it
<stipa>
so, armbianEnv.txt applies only when the linux boots?
<stipa>
and has nothing to do with the uboot variables?
<stipa>
for some reason uboot can't write to it's place on sdcard reserved area where it saves changes, i guess i'll have to make an image with usb_boot removed somehow
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<lanefu>
ArmbianEnv is processed by uboot but the variables it sets are generally flags related to booting kernel.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> armbianEnv.txt is usually loaded into the u-boot environment (load) early during boot.scr execution (depending on family)
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> the envs set there are then massaged into kernel cmdline options and others, again, depending on family.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Stefano Roncalli> Hi all, I'm trying to compile my custom system based on Armbian. I compiled armbian for rpi4b and uefi-x86. I noticed that some Raspberries (pi 4 with 4Gb RAM) raise Kernel Panic error.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Stefano Roncalli> I'm pretty new with Linux and read the Kernel Panic messages is a bit hard for me. Is there a tool or something else that help in this case?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Stefano Roncalli> reading the list of module it seems kernel panic is not for a specific module/driver (I see modules like virtual network, video and many more)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Stefano Roncalli> I've tried different SD cards on different Raspberries and I always received kernel panic, some of my colleagues never receive it
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> we use very much unmodified kernel - just some wireless drivers are added in the process. which shouldn't crash kernel if they are not in use
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<serkanp>
hi
<serkanp>
is there anyone who can help on analog audio for s905x3 soc devices?
<serkanp>
i think everyone sleeps :) and its been 20 years i did not use irc :))
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Its more like if nobody knows everyone stays silent 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> aplay and gather the info you need, then create an /etc/asound.conf file, so it defaults to the analog port instead of HDMI. https://www.alsa-project.org/wiki/Asoundrc
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> thanx... i need to test something. hit you up later.
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> ah perfect.. it's also connected to discord..
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Channels starting with armbian- are bridged, yes
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> nice.. 🙂 in old days, it was different.. and i see that i forgot irc commands 🙂
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Indeed. Discord wasn't first choice anyways. It mostly exists for user convenience.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> And since it grew so nicely we try to make best out of it 🙂
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> and my last choice is to use mirc 🙂 i always hated it.. now it becomes trial edition..
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> i was using pirc and it was more better those days..
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Odd that people still using mirc. There are lots of programs that implement the IRC protocol now
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> i was the creator of pirc :))
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Aight now I am curious 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> anyway.. nice to install and uninstall mirc fastly :))
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> 25 years ago we were using irc and i ended using it ~2003
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Did not use it for quite a long time either. Started using it again when I joined Armbian and took care about that chat and community stuff
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> we had eggdrop tcl bots those days and i had lots of tcl scripts..
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> i also joined to see whats going on in armbian community.
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> anyway i have a s905x3 amlogic device and try to use it in my business
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<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> original chinese factory made kernels until 4.9 kernel
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> then they stop support it
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> the last thing made with it was coreElec and analog audio is working with that
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> but we have our own software that runs on raspberry pi and tinkerboard devices
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> now try to figure out how to get analog audio on 5.1x debian or ubuntu kernels
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> they think that no one will need analog audio, and everyone is using hdmi 🙂
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> ah.. i didnt know that..
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> let me read it first..
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> ok i think that's the right corner to ask same question..
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> ok i paid 🙂 lets wait it to be approved..
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> 🙂
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<stipa>
lanefu , rpardini , right, idk, something is borked, i'll try to compile the seveenv into the image, too bad it doesn't work
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<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> hmm. the sm1 I got here as it turns out doesn't have analog port, so I'm not gonna be much help. sorry.
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> the device i have av output , so that is analog audio also
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> does your device have av output?
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> yeah but port. personally I tend to just buy little usb analog audio dongles as they tend to sound better anyway and when you run it into an amp you usually don't need a ground loop. those onboard ports usually don't sound all that great and get a lot of popping.
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> there isn't a big diff between the G12 and SM1 on that front.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> I also tried that little USB analog devices, but it's not a solution in my business, it's an external device and customers can lost or break it. So I need a workaround to use current analog feature
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<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> why would u be using a tv box as a business solution instead of a established board?
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> people keep lookning at tv boxes because they are cheaper and precased
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> there for all they do is load and put on a desk
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> but the short comming of this is lack of true support and flaws in devicetrees
<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> why is inovato an official armbian partner but they don't even have an official armbian build for their devices
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> I did see there was a DTS in mainline for one of those X96's.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> They aren't or at least I am not aware of
<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> they are
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> not sure how complete it is or compatible with his.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Ah indeed. Did not look at the partners page recently
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> they might have in the past but are they currently a supporter
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> when was the last time it was updated and confirmed
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> just because they have a badge on a page we dont know if its current or when they last did anything
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> also is their updated firmware and drivers they have not yet supplied.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> its wierd because its not even official armbian
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> no I bet they built their own img
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> and its not official
<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> armbian does not support tv boxes
<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> well the generic h6 tv box is csc but still there is patches that are not upstreamed
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> Price.. When you are running a business and hardware is not sold and part of a monthly billed service.. You will need a very cheap solution.. When using raspberry or tinkerboard it will cost between 120-150 usd, board + case + etc + sdcard + power supply
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> well using un supported hardware is your issue not armbians
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> and if your company wants to be supported they shoul dthen put in the proper patches and wait for them to be approved along with a proper devicetree and kernel src/patches
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> dont expect a device that is /was a tv box converted to a mini desktop to pass qa
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> you should look at supported boards like the nanopi-t4 or the odroid n2 boards as they are well set to be a tru desktops like you expect
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> They are selling TV boxes but the device I have is "Linux box", and their device line is different.
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> Price range? 🙂
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> go look on amerdroid for n2
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> and the t4 is about 150 but you get a well supported board and nvme support to add drive space
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> There aren't a lot of SBC's with an S905X3 that also have analog audio ports from what I can tell and when they do they are a bit costly.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> BPI-M5. But the price on that board is a bit much.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> And this device have 20-38 usd price range
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> they are cheap tv boxes they converted with linux
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> and they have no support
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> I am finding very little f any nfo on them as a linux desktop
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> isn't it this? meson-sm1-x96-air-gbit.dts
<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> I have an orange pi zero that has an expansion board with an av port on it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> and its supported by armbian
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> but hats not the same thing
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> andits using a overlay to support the av board
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> Yes it is
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> well then its been mainlined. chewitt did it. so I'm gonna gather mainline u-boot as well.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> overlay or not its supported by armbian but yeah hat is not the same thing
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> Oh really? How will I test it?
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> the fact is in all my time dealing with armbian over years I never heard of this board and linux which means it never had support other then what that comany did
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> with their own patches
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> so it is not armbians fault its not supported and things dont function properly
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<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> spoke to soon. i don't see it in u-boot or any fips for it. maybe there is a vendor github?
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> The problem is, they supported until kernel 4.9 then they stop supporting.. Coreelec with kernel 4.9 works with av analog audio. But then, the armbian versions does not work
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> that means the dt has to be updated to 6.x nd alot of work to make all the proper patches
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> the device tree is not updated to support the hardware in the newer kernels
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> are you running these as headless audio servers or is there a monitor and keyboard
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> Headless and there is no monitor and keyboard
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> My business is serving music to shops, malls, chain stores etc
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> We give service and device is not charged
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> So device is headless, self maintained
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> Our app is working and connecting to our server
<Armbian-Discord>
<c0rnelius> sounds easy enough if its just headless. would just need to find uboot and ur off to the races. Well if that mainline DTS actually works that is.
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> No one can change volume etc
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> well until you updated the device tree and drivers that unit is going to become defunct
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<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> I have original image and dtb files provided by factory
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> I can provide their image
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> the dts/dtb are going to be outdated
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> it would take alot of time and access to hardware to port and test
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> that means money and support
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> Ready to pay for that work if it is affordable 🙂
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> talk to the armbian group the have to do it
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> its not right to go around them
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> so talk to igor or thebug
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> they put an commandline app, "xmlin" to copy image to emmc
<Armbian-Discord>
<serkanp> it asks for device type and this device is 106
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> why does the minimal image for the orange pi zero have kernel and firmware upgrades disabled?
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> @Jason123 because they need kernel and firnware specific to them... not mainline more than likely
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> If it wasn't disabled and it autoupdated it would break the boot/firmware when it updated
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<schwar3kat>
Building a desktop for testing: Unable to locate package system-monitoring-center [ error ] ERROR in function create_rootfs_cache
<schwar3kat>
Is this a known problem.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> schwar3kat: it is, in a sense that "desktops are a mess" -- not the specifics. whats the incantation in question?
<schwar3kat>
:) testing armbian-next I got this error so I tested in current and got the same error so it's not a next issue.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> @schwar3kat is it outputting which site?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> armbian-next does a "dry-run" before actually downloading, to separate network flukes from missing packages
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I'd bet this is some ubuntu-specific thing in a Debian desktop?
<schwar3kat>
I can try in docker
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> no -- I mean
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> a bug in Armbian's desktop package config
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<schwar3kat>
yep... probably.
<schwar3kat>
I will play with different base config.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> nah. system-monitoring-center was never ever in any Ubuntu release
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> nor Debian...
<schwar3kat>
If relevant this is xfce
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> it lies in config/desktop/jammy/appgroups/desktop_tools/packages
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> introduced in a commit from a completely 100% unrelated-titled PR
<Armbian-Discord>
<Jason123> it might need firmware but the kernel is just sunxi kernel and I think the h3 supports mainline kernel and if headless it works best
<schwar3kat>
rpardini: are you okay to fix, or do I need to follow up?
<schwar3kat>
For testing I will just delete the entry.