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<stipa> USB booting on H6
<stipa> must be in the compile options of u-boot i guess
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<stipa> something is borked badly
<stipa> with boot.cmd
<stipa> it doesn't read it from the sdcard https://termbin.com/tznv
<stipa> Loading Environment from FAT... Unable to use mmc 0:1...
<stipa> and u-boot loads some of it's own, i guess fro ma compilation time
<stipa> there's a variable not present in the /boot/boot.cmd and some others that are present in a uboot console via printenv
<stipa> one of them is usb_boot=usb start; if usb dev ${devnum}; then devtype=usb; run scan_dev_for_boot_part; fi that is not present in boot.cmd or armbianEnv.txt
<stipa> if i remove the variable with "setenv usb_boot" and try to save with saveenv i get
<stipa> Saving Environment to FAT... Unable to use mmc 0:1...
<stipa> Failed (1)
<stipa> researching from that point led me to a post where it says that it doesn't work because the sdcard is not fat32
<stipa> but it is Disklabel type: dos
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<stipa> for some reason linux boots without a problem even if u-boot has trouble "seeing" the sdcard
<stipa> and saving the variables to it
<stipa> where could be the output of the printenv uboot command found on the sdcard?
<stipa> if it's not boot.cmd ?
<stipa> one of the reasons could be that there are more files with variables on the sd card aggregated in the "printenv" output in the uboot console
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<stipa> nah, it has it's won space on the sdcard
<stipa> i gues slinux doesn't see it
<stipa> so, armbianEnv.txt applies only when the linux boots?
<stipa> and has nothing to do with the uboot variables?
<stipa> for some reason uboot can't write to it's place on sdcard reserved area where it saves changes, i guess i'll have to make an image with usb_boot removed somehow
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<lanefu> ArmbianEnv is processed by uboot but the variables it sets are generally flags related to booting kernel.
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> armbianEnv.txt is usually loaded into the u-boot environment (load) early during boot.scr execution (depending on family)
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> the envs set there are then massaged into kernel cmdline options and others, again, depending on family.
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<Armbian-Discord> <S​tefano Roncalli> Hi all, I'm trying to compile my custom system based on Armbian. I compiled armbian for rpi4b and uefi-x86. I noticed that some Raspberries (pi 4 with 4Gb RAM) raise Kernel Panic error.
<Armbian-Discord> <S​tefano Roncalli> I'm pretty new with Linux and read the Kernel Panic messages is a bit hard for me. Is there a tool or something else that help in this case?
<Armbian-Discord> <S​tefano Roncalli> reading the list of module it seems kernel panic is not for a specific module/driver (I see modules like virtual network, video and many more)
<Armbian-Discord> <S​tefano Roncalli> I've tried different SD cards on different Raspberries and I always received kernel panic, some of my colleagues never receive it
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> did you check https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we use very much unmodified kernel - just some wireless drivers are added in the process. which shouldn't crash kernel if they are not in use
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<serkanp> hi
<serkanp> is there anyone who can help on analog audio for s905x3 soc devices?
<serkanp> i think everyone sleeps :) and its been 20 years i did not use irc :))
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Its more like if nobody knows everyone stays silent 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> aplay and gather the info you need, then create an /etc/asound.conf file, so it defaults to the analog port instead of HDMI. https://www.alsa-project.org/wiki/Asoundrc
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> aplay -l
<serkanp> can i paste here aplay -L ?
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> https://paste.debian.net/
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> do -l
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> need the HW and DEVICE numbers
<serkanp> i am ready to pay for help by the way..
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<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> paste aplay -l no CAP on -l
<serkanp> ok let me boot device and paste it
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> thanx... i need to test something. hit you up later.
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> ah perfect.. it's also connected to discord..
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<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Channels starting with armbian- are bridged, yes
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> nice.. 🙂 in old days, it was different.. and i see that i forgot irc commands 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Indeed. Discord wasn't first choice anyways. It mostly exists for user convenience.
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> And since it grew so nicely we try to make best out of it 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> and my last choice is to use mirc 🙂 i always hated it.. now it becomes trial edition..
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> i was using pirc and it was more better those days..
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Odd that people still using mirc. There are lots of programs that implement the IRC protocol now
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> i was the creator of pirc :))
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Aight now I am curious 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> anyway.. nice to install and uninstall mirc fastly :))
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> 25 years ago we were using irc and i ended using it ~2003
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Did not use it for quite a long time either. Started using it again when I joined Armbian and took care about that chat and community stuff
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> we had eggdrop tcl bots those days and i had lots of tcl scripts..
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> i also joined to see whats going on in armbian community.
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> anyway i have a s905x3 amlogic device and try to use it in my business
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<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> original chinese factory made kernels until 4.9 kernel
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> then they stop support it
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> the last thing made with it was coreElec and analog audio is working with that
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> but we have our own software that runs on raspberry pi and tinkerboard devices
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> now try to figure out how to get analog audio on 5.1x debian or ubuntu kernels
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> they think that no one will need analog audio, and everyone is using hdmi 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Well as for myself I have no clue about that stuff 😅 . If nobody can answer maybe take a look at the business part of Armbian: https://forum.armbian.com/topic/25157-armbian-private-subscriber-forum/
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> ah.. i didnt know that..
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> let me read it first..
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> ok i think that's the right corner to ask same question..
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> ok i paid 🙂 lets wait it to be approved..
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> 🙂
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<stipa> lanefu , r​pardini , right, idk, something is borked, i'll try to compile the seveenv into the image, too bad it doesn't work
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<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> hmm. the sm1 I got here as it turns out doesn't have analog port, so I'm not gonna be much help. sorry.
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> the device i have av output , so that is analog audio also
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> does your device have av output?
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> yeah but port. personally I tend to just buy little usb analog audio dongles as they tend to sound better anyway and when you run it into an amp you usually don't need a ground loop. those onboard ports usually don't sound all that great and get a lot of popping.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> but no port*
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> this would be a good resource to try and get it working; https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-n2/application_note/sound with the port.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> there isn't a big diff between the G12 and SM1 on that front.
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<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> I also tried that little USB analog devices, but it's not a solution in my business, it's an external device and customers can lost or break it. So I need a workaround to use current analog feature
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<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> why would u be using a tv box as a business solution instead of a established board?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> people keep lookning at tv boxes because they are cheaper and precased
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> there for all they do is load and put on a desk
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> but the short comming of this is lack of true support and flaws in devicetrees
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> why is inovato an official armbian partner but they don't even have an official armbian build for their devices
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I did see there was a DTS in mainline for one of those X96's.
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> They aren't or at least I am not aware of
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> they are
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> not sure how complete it is or compatible with his.
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Ah indeed. Did not look at the partners page recently
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> they might have in the past but are they currently a supporter
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> when was the last time it was updated and confirmed
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> just because they have a badge on a page we dont know if its current or when they last did anything
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> also is their updated firmware and drivers they have not yet supplied.
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> its wierd because its not even official armbian
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> no I bet they built their own img
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> and its not official
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> armbian does not support tv boxes
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> https://www.inovato.com/article/building-armbian
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> pretty sure I also saw some where how you can build a custom os using the armbian build scripts
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> so they never passed their patches to armbian
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> basically they extract a bunch of patches on top of armbian and then build
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> it looks like they are using orange pi 3 patches
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> yes you can and it seems they built their own and if it boots it should say user built not supported
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> device
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> and its overwriting patches and replacing
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> so no it woul dnot be supported
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> its not even in csc support
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> well the generic h6 tv box is csc but still there is patches that are not upstreamed
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Price.. When you are running a business and hardware is not sold and part of a monthly billed service.. You will need a very cheap solution.. When using raspberry or tinkerboard it will cost between 120-150 usd, board + case + etc + sdcard + power supply
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> well using un supported hardware is your issue not armbians
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> and if your company wants to be supported they shoul dthen put in the proper patches and wait for them to be approved along with a proper devicetree and kernel src/patches
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> dont expect a device that is /was a tv box converted to a mini desktop to pass qa
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> you should look at supported boards like the nanopi-t4 or the odroid n2 boards as they are well set to be a tru desktops like you expect
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> They are selling TV boxes but the device I have is "Linux box", and their device line is different.
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Price range? 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> go look on amerdroid for n2
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> and the t4 is about 150 but you get a well supported board and nvme support to add drive space
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> There aren't a lot of SBC's with an S905X3 that also have analog audio ports from what I can tell and when they do they are a bit costly.
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<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> BPI-M5. But the price on that board is a bit much.
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<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> And this device have 20-38 usd price range
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> they are cheap tv boxes they converted with linux
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> and they have no support
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> I am finding very little f any nfo on them as a linux desktop
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> isn't it this? meson-sm1-x96-air-gbit.dts
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> I have an orange pi zero that has an expansion board with an av port on it
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> and its supported by armbian
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> but hats not the same thing
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> andits using a overlay to support the av board
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Yes it is
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> well then its been mainlined. chewitt did it. so I'm gonna gather mainline u-boot as well.
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> overlay or not its supported by armbian but yeah hat is not the same thing
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Oh really? How will I test it?
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> the fact is in all my time dealing with armbian over years I never heard of this board and linux which means it never had support other then what that comany did
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> with their own patches
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> so it is not armbians fault its not supported and things dont function properly
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<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> spoke to soon. i don't see it in u-boot or any fips for it. maybe there is a vendor github?
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> The problem is, they supported until kernel 4.9 then they stop supporting.. Coreelec with kernel 4.9 works with av analog audio. But then, the armbian versions does not work
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> that means the dt has to be updated to 6.x nd alot of work to make all the proper patches
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> the device tree is not updated to support the hardware in the newer kernels
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> are you running these as headless audio servers or is there a monitor and keyboard
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Headless and there is no monitor and keyboard
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> My business is serving music to shops, malls, chain stores etc
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> We give service and device is not charged
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> So device is headless, self maintained
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Our app is working and connecting to our server
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> sounds easy enough if its just headless. would just need to find uboot and ur off to the races. Well if that mainline DTS actually works that is.
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> No one can change volume etc
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> well until you updated the device tree and drivers that unit is going to become defunct
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<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> I have original image and dtb files provided by factory
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> I can provide their image
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> the dts/dtb are going to be outdated
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> it would take alot of time and access to hardware to port and test
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> that means money and support
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Ready to pay for that work if it is affordable 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> talk to the armbian group the have to do it
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> its not right to go around them
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> so talk to igor or thebug
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> it looks like the odroid c4 boots fips could be used the sign it https://github.com/hexdump0815/u-boot-misc/blob/master/readme.gxy
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<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> I already paid for subscription 🙂 waiting approve, and I don't know when they approve it
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> whould be a more updated board better support
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> and has armbian images
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> ready to go
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Let me check it
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<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> Do you have a download of the original img?
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<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Yes I have
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> Send pm to you
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> usually within 24h. it was enabled
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> by the way , here is a downloadable link
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> they put an commandline app, "xmlin" to copy image to emmc
<Armbian-Discord> <s​erkanp> it asks for device type and this device is 106
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<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> why does the minimal image for the orange pi zero have kernel and firmware upgrades disabled?
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> @Jason123 because they need kernel and firnware specific to them... not mainline more than likely
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> If it wasn't disabled and it autoupdated it would break the boot/firmware when it updated
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<schwar3kat> Building a desktop for testing: Unable to locate package system-monitoring-center [ error ] ERROR in function create_rootfs_cache
<schwar3kat> Is this a known problem.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> schwar3kat: it is, in a sense that "desktops are a mess" -- not the specifics. whats the incantation in question?
<schwar3kat> :) testing armbian-next I got this error so I tested in current and got the same error so it's not a next issue.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> @schwar3kat is it outputting which site?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> armbian-next does a "dry-run" before actually downloading, to separate network flukes from missing packages
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I'd bet this is some ubuntu-specific thing in a Debian desktop?
<schwar3kat> I can try in docker
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> no -- I mean
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> a bug in Armbian's desktop package config
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<schwar3kat> yep... probably.
<schwar3kat> I will play with different base config.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> nah. system-monitoring-center was never ever in any Ubuntu release
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> nor Debian...
<schwar3kat> If relevant this is xfce
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> it lies in config/desktop/jammy/appgroups/desktop_tools/packages
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> introduced in a commit from a completely 100% unrelated-titled PR
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> it might need firmware but the kernel is just sunxi kernel and I think the h3 supports mainline kernel and if headless it works best
<schwar3kat> r​pardini: are you okay to fix, or do I need to follow up?
<schwar3kat> For testing I will just delete the entry.