08:15 <aasami_> IgorPec: snap-free???

08:36 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes, there should not be snapd preinstalled

15:17 <popolon> Is there an ArchLinxu flavor of ARMbian?

15:18 <popolon> I'm tired by ubuntu breaking patches :(

15:18 <popolon> so much things broken on the os

15:19 <popolon> including advanced keyboards usage

15:20 <popolon> keybord switching and iBus have some problems too

15:25 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> why do you think arch is not broken too?

15:25 <popolon> i never said it has no broken things

15:25 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> which ubuntu version you have troubles with btw?

15:26 <popolon> but these basics things work as made by devs

15:26 <popolon> Ubuntu 22.04

15:26 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i have more or less pretty good experience with userland

15:26 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> lts versions should be more polished

15:26 <popolon> that's LTS

15:26 <popolon> 22.04 is Ubuntu LTS

15:26 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes

15:26 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> not hearing much complains about

15:27 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but i believe bugs exists

15:27 <popolon> aah you want to say of not using LTS, so less Ubuntu specific breaking things

15:27 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> not LTS is getting closer to arch

15:27 <popolon> I'm afrait to loosse again HDMI output if I upgrade

15:27 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> well, that is unrelated to ubuntu

15:28 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> at least with armbian

15:28 <popolon> (need to upgrade kernel to last one, that doesn't have HDMI working on my board version

15:28 <popolon> yes, this is unrelated to ubuntu, but need to update all packages to be able to do a release upgrade

15:28 <popolon> and I already fine tuned lot of things

15:28 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> actually not, just switch kernel

15:29 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> You don't need to switch packages tp upgrade your kernel.

15:29 <popolon> else I seen there are tools to convert arch packges to *deb distro

15:29 <popolon> like alien for RPM

15:29 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but don't understand benefits of arch here

15:29 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Agreed

15:29 <popolon> to have up todate software and less patched than authors one

15:29 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its just different packaging manager

15:30 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> switch to ubuntu lunar then

15:30 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> or debian sid

15:30 <popolon> I will look at it thanks

15:30 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> those have more or less identical packages (latest what exists)

15:30 <popolon> i choosen ubuntu due to ppa for managing acceleration

15:31 <popolon> not sure that ppa can be used in debian

15:31 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> officially not

15:31 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but can be hacked

15:31 <popolon> Maybe I should try to make a debian(distro) package of it

15:31 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> He could just add sid deb-src and dpkg-buildpackage the kernel even

15:31 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> PPA is just a repository with debian packages

15:31 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> or the ubuntu devel version

15:32 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> its bookworm right now right?

15:32 <popolon> for all ubuntu upgrade, I need to switch back to last kernel, but I've my serial wire, should just re-enable my x86 :(. (or an arm board, maybe, didn't think about...)

15:32 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah

15:33 <popolon> thanks for your help, I will test these ways

15:34 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Yeah can add Bookwork in debian or Lunar and build the src kernel package

17:30 <Panfisher> Hello; just joined the Armbian Forum; quite the newbie to Libera.Chat; intermediate Linux skills. I am attempting to install a Xfce Desktop version of Armbian (tried both Bullseye and Jammy) on a Banana Pi M5. Jammy Xfce initially worked but then broke on an apt update. Bullseye initial boot hangs on the initramfs part of the initial startup. Any info I can reference to get a working Xfce deskotop on the BPi M5 using either Armbian

17:30 <Panfisher> Jammy or Armbian Bullseye? Thanks!

17:34 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> working desktop = Jammy XFCE -> sudo armbian-config -> system -> freeze kernel updates -> update ...

17:37 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> otherwise, I have already answer the same question to someone on forums https://forum.armbian.com/tags/bananapim5/

18:33 <archetech> I changed dash to bash in armb-config kapow install destroyed on kinetic rock5

18:37 <archetech> ubu got rid of the dpkg-reconfigure script may be part of it

18:53 <Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> since when? i have a kinetic install and dpkg works just fine.

19:00 <archetech> try googleing it

19:04 <Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> why would I need to google something that I can see on my system? you said got rid of it.

19:04 <Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> ```command -v dpkg-reconfigure; cat /etc/os-release | grep PRETTY | sed s'/PRETTY_NAME=//g'

19:04 <Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure

19:04 <Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> "Ubuntu 22.10"```

19:05 <archetech> it doesnt do anything

19:05 <Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> sure it does, I just used it

19:05 <archetech> do your research

19:06 <archetech> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1437418/sudo-dpkg-reconfigure-dash-no-longer-works-in-ubuntu-22-10

19:06 <archetech> lmgtfy

19:06 <Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> oh... dash.

19:06 <Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> i don't use dash.

19:06 <Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> you said changed dash to bash

19:07 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> what is the advantage of dash?

19:07 <archetech> dash is smaler/faster

19:07 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> hmm, i use ZSH, which is slow and bulky 😉

19:08 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but fast enough for me

19:09 <Armbian-Discord> <E​feCTN> Dash is not really useful without busybox

19:54 <archetech> gets in the way of compiling

20:02 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I hadn't heard of dash in some 15 years, congrats.

20:06 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> any of you heading to FOSDEM 23?

20:06 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> not sure yet

20:06 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you?

20:07 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> wife wants to go -- don't ask, can't explain

20:07 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> but not sure yet either, CfP closed in December, a bit late now

20:07 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah, for that sure

20:08 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> it would be interesting to compare pre and post corona fosdem

20:13 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I could go to FOSDEM. Too bad it's in winter. Last time I went it was horrible weather. Ice cold and raining. Would have been a lot nicer in Summer. I'll check what stands there are and if it's interesting enough to make a video out of it I can go.

20:14 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> stands will not show much new

20:14 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> lectures are what makes fosdem fosdem

20:14 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> knowledge in that

20:14 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Pine64, but I don't want to promote them too much for free...

20:15 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> stands are like advertisements on TV 🙂

20:15 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Indeed, but my brain can't follow most of the lectures 🙂 Many are very complicated and advanced.

20:16 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> And lectures are already on Youtube. So no need for me to film that. They do that way better.

20:16 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah, so need to find different perspecrtive

20:17 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I would like to go nag the Gnome team about why they have gnome-extensions, gnome-extension-manager and gnome-tweaks instead of having it all in the settings menu...

20:17 <Armbian-Discord> <E​feCTN> i always hated gnome developers. they're not listening the community

20:17 <archetech> theres only 2 questions that matter to me whats twice as fast as a rk3588 on arm and when's plasma 6 beta coming out ;)

20:18 <archetech> fosdem wont cover those

20:28 <archetech> armv9

20:58 <nekomancer[m]> power10

21:14 <archetech> a bourbon some jazz and compiling LFS

21:14 <archetech> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvr8hBkYEFo

21:15 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> horrible weather Ice cold and raining... gezellig -- so just like home

21:17 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Heel gezellig. Doe je warme jas aan 😉

21:17 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> we should all go, undercover as Manjaro users

21:18 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> hang by the PINE booth and scare away visitors

21:18 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Lol. I'm in.

21:19 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> For those who want a taste of FOSDEM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYGGbB3Pk8Y