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<nekomancer[m]> hate windows console 🤮
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<Kreyren> nekomancer[m], i hate windows, get on my level
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* nekomancer[m] loves windows XP and like windows 7.
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<TRS-80> Kreyren: I like you, you can stay! :)
<Kreyren> xD
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<lanefu> Fight for who has the strongest ideals on foss
* TRS-80 is posting from erc
<nekomancer[m]> > * <@TRS-80:libera.chat> is posting from erc
<nekomancer[m]> mmm? what does it mean?
<TRS-80> Yes I also realized it's obscure. That's the IRC client in Emacs. :)
<archetech> 90's called they want their chit back
<TRS-80> 'modern' web/software, you can have it!@
<lanefu> Lol
<lanefu> TRS-80: types with a LISP
<TRS-80> lanefu: I realize you were likely shitposting, but for all my rms sermons, my viewpoint on Free Software is really not some high-falutin, abstract moral/philisophical ideal, but a deeply practical one. I simply don't have the time/energy to invest in some (often, complex) tool which could be yanked out from under me in some way in the future. So consider it a sort of 'supply chain assurance' for the tools I use every day.
<archetech> lfu dont shitalk mf'er
<archetech> heh
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<archetech> WHATS GOIN ON ARMBIANITES !
<archetech> live from the D its Sat night
<archetech> the D where its still the 70's on the weekends
<lanefu> TRS-80: ahh more of the right to repair tractors from the 60s still work and will always work
<TRS-80> archetech: das rite!
<archetech> all hail 60's tech
<nekomancer[m]> B-52
<archetech> when men could fix chit themselves
<TRS-80> lanefu: Yes, something like that. I'm very keen on self-sufficiency, in general.
<archetech> right to repair is a messed up commie concept
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<TRS-80> archetech: not sure if srs
<lanefu> Yeah real freedom is vendor lockin FTW!
<nekomancer[m]> freedom is slavery
<nekomancer[m]> peace is war
<lanefu> Lol
<archetech> P. Frampton "Ya had to be there"
<TRS-80> lanefu: Re: LISP, again I know you were likely joking, however: "Over time, the default language, embodied in a succession of popular languages, has gradually evolved toward Lisp"; see also 'Greenspun's tenth rule', etc...
<archetech> nekomancer[m], and bs is bs
<TRS-80> lanefu: Nice to see your HedgeDoc instance is still up! :)
<lanefu> Yeah I love hedgedoc
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<TRS-80> lanefu: I set up babby's first reverse proxy (Caddy) recently. Next will be CrowdSec, then Headscale. Now tell me how proud you are, Sensei! :p
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<lanefu> TRS-80: soooo proud
<lanefu> Lemme know how you like crowdsec
<TRS-80> I don't like how they are building a proprietary SaaS on top of data contributed from the F/LOSS client, but I don't think that's what you were asking. ;)
<TRS-80> It seems like essentially a more modern fail2ban (same principle) but I have yet to use it in practice. Just been reading up a lot. I suppose these sort of things are easiest to set up, much less involved than a full IDS or whatever you call it. But eventually...
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yo
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<tonymac32> smells like old shoes and neck beards in here
<tonymac32> TRS-80 hello
<archetech> lol
<archetech> electric ladyland voodoo chile ...jimmy
<archetech> yeah what I say
<TRS-80> tonymac32: There ya go, the Patrician choice (logging in to IRC)! :)
<tonymac32> haha
<lanefu> Mac!
<lanefu> Red house
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<TRS-80> Is that some code word?! oO
<archetech> red house !
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<lanefu> Red house is a good Jimmy song
<archetech> classic
<TRS-80> aah ok
<archetech> I stand up next to mountain and chop it down with the edge of my hand when I heard that in 1975 I was smitten
<archetech> who the f is this guy
<TRS-80> old man is old
<TRS-80> or telling stories
<archetech> trs do you understand art?
<archetech> ya know like actual creativity
<archetech> the Doors The End
<archetech> we are there ...now
<lanefu> Yeah TRS-80 art and class like VHS copies of ewoks Christmas
<tonymac32> ha
<tonymac32> lanefu you are obviously a scholar and gentleman
<lanefu> Yes I went through a rather robust learning program
<archetech> the blue bus is callin us
<archetech> driver where you takin us
<archetech> hint blue bus=United Nations
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<lanefu> WTF PBP why
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<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> oO
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> What are you commenting on?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> specificly about that PBP?
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Wut?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Lanefu what am I looking at
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Exactly...
<c0rnelius> looks like a little sticky pad fell off
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I see a stripped out screw and a hole with crud
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Yeah and thats nothing monumental either
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Eh, Chromebooks will be Chromebooks
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I kinda like my PBP
<c0rnelius> well it was fab'd by Pine so yeah... I expect it to be dust not long after purchase.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Never said I didn't like mine, but it's a Chromebook plain and simple, expectations must be liw
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Low
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I'm surprised at how decent quality this one has been....
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> DUST
<lanefu> Yeah 3 legged PBP
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> thought so
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> thats the corner where it will slowly start turning into dust from.
<lanefu> Every 6 weeks I apt update and see what breaks
<lanefu> And if it breaks then it sits for 3 months
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> running armbian on it?
<lanefu> Yeah some random debian sid cinnamon armbian build from sdcard
<lanefu> Borked my emmc a while back and pulled it out
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I use a nvme in mine
<lanefu> Keep pondering putting uboot or hipster towboot on SPI and digging out my nvme adapter
<lanefu> Then I wonder why bother
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> @lanefu: It runs really well with Towboot and that setup
<lanefu> How much was batter life impacted with NVMe
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So if towboot didn't use a goofy build script language just yank the probably 2 functional patches out and fix u-boot
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> You have to get an adapter for NVMe, yes?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I only use xfce but if I dont do too much compiling I can get a full day out of it
<lanefu> Yeah need an adapter
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> @Tonymac32 its a ribbon board adapter
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Sigh wtf pine
<lanefu> I bought one when I bought PBP
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> better than usb crap
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> like bcm/rpi etc
<lanefu> Okay let's see how a 700 meg update survives reboot
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> should have just got a used thinpad off ebay and dropped bsd on it.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Haha
<lanefu> Oh and a kernel update from 6.0.whatever to 6.1.whatever
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> oh god no
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I deplore IBM/Lenovo
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> i'd trust them over pine
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Too many ill feelings from my work dealings with them
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I dislike HP now from my Omen sadly... I really liked them in my business days
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I have no skin in the game anyway, I just like to make fun of pine 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> HP's quality consumer and business has tanked
<lanefu> Wow
<lanefu> Everything worked
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Whoa
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I have only had HP Elitebook and ZBook workstations
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Those have been perfect
<lanefu> Function keys survived too
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Rofl
<Armbian-Discord> <E​feCTN> I have hp victus and its speakers are incredibly bad
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I have had the Omen and Pavillion laptops... The Pavillion was nice... the Omen is junk
<Armbian-Discord> <E​feCTN> And i get 99 degrees when i run stress 😑
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Yeah.. the Omen does that in normal heavy ops
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> and thats with pipes AND 2 turbines
<Armbian-Discord> <E​feCTN> Mine too
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Sounds likes its about to takeoff
<Armbian-Discord> <E​feCTN> It's annoying but i can't find any other pc that's cheaper than hp
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I got it 1/2 price and its the only x86 I own
<lanefu> YouTube Chromium FTW
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<lanefu> `rockchip-rk3399-opp-2ghz.dtbo` seems to no-longer have an impact on kernel 6.1
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Shrugs
<lanefu> yeah
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Device tree patching is still nonsense
<lanefu> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> As done in our build system
<lanefu> yeah not sustainable
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'll take a look and see if it's a simple fix
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I think our build is fixed let me double check..
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> If not I'll wait until enough people who know she'll scripting make it notndumb
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Shell
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I think I've updated to 6.1 on the PBP... checking
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> yeah.. I can confirm same problem on this system too
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> using our build
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> really?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Last time I tried to propose a script change The-Going told me I was going to steer comets into our orbit and resurrect Mussolini. So
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Yeah says not supported when I try to overclock and without just runs at 1800/1416
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Ugh
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So what needs done on overlays is a folder that just gets copied into the tree for compilation
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> on 6.1.7
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So they can be added to/maintained
* lanefu clicking imaginary LOL emoji for Mussolini ressurection comets
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Haha
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> OC over lays broke on the Amlogic SoC afer 6.1.7. So it also doesn't work on RK3399?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> (PBP RK3399.. not sure about other models)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Appears so
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Never used them since I honestly don't trust the firmware to actually obey, so not sure
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I wonder if its just broke across the board.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Could be. 🤔
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Anyone have a UART grab of the U-boot output?
<lanefu> :disappear:
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I will say this though... even fewer audio pops
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> well... thats blows.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> getting better and better
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> thermals last I checked on the H5 and A64 were busted on 6.1
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> HDMI doesn't work on rk3328
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> OC is now busted
<lanefu> linux is cancelled
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> when overlays are concerned
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> what else?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😆
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Beautiful
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> rtl8822cs wireless module injection into the kernel gives a kernel oops.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> still works... just looks ugly
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> its a mess... I know there is more.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Rk3328 has a bunch of crap going on for sure
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> yeah
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> With 6.0+
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I think the DMC is a bad idea since it keeps breaking, but Paolo seems.to have "fixed" it for now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> A shame no one will ever put in the 35 years of effort to get the kernel maintainers to accept that driver
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I give up on that SoC honestly.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> It wasn't a Chromebook SoC so it didn't get the love
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The DMC driver though seems to apply to almost everything pre-RK35xx
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I will approve the Paolo fix and toss mine (disable all the rk3328 until they clean up the dependency hell on that driver)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> And then keep cleaning
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I don't know. Its hard for me to justify caring about rk3328 at this point. I think its time for the dist bin.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yeah, I don't completely disagree, but if we aren't scabbing shit into it it's stable enough
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> No need to toss it, but a lot of reason not to put unnecessary effort in
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I'm sure there is some use for it somewhere doing something. But its been a very disappointing experience.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Mali450 is not inspiring hardware
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> And a53
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> rk3328 is like that chick everyone talked up and then when you got there you realized her personality sucked.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The rock64 shenanigans and crap RAM did notnhelp
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> It also runs to warm. its really a useless SoC.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> Alright i'm being a downer, I'll stop.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Haha
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I don't know what it is? its just shit. 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yeah not a great design on Rockchips part.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The power domains are why it gets so warm
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> If any part of that thing needs clocked up the whole thing is burning extra power
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> this is very true
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> that and it needs active cooling which is a turn off.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> unless its running idle doing nothing of course.
<lanefu> yeah rock64 was my introduction to rk3322...and archetech
<lanefu> 3328 whatever
<archetech> I try not to remember ;p
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<lanefu> to pine64's credit for my 3 legged pbp https://pine64.com/product-category/pinebook-pro-spare-parts/
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> did the foot fall off or come that way?
<lanefu> fell off
<lanefu> ive had this thing for quite a while
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Ahh...
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I've been very happy with mine for away from the house usage on my bike
<lanefu> it's built in wifi really sucks.. i'd probalby use a USB dongle if i was serious about it