<zijjgfs>
i haven't written any uefi code yet, and when it first came out i thought it was an overcomplicated mess, but honestly it seems pretty logical?
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<heat>
heavily depends on what you're looking at
<ring0_starr>
having a dedicated fat32 boot partition eliminates the need for having to create a stage 2 bootloader for every single filesystem you might want to support, and in fact, just have the bios do the entire bootloading process because it's pretty booring anyway
<heat>
the interfaces required by bootloaders are mostly okay
<ring0_starr>
idk i'm just looking at some freebsd source and they got like a different stage 1 (stage 2 because they start at 0) for every different combination of MBR, GPT, EFI, ZFS, UFS, etc.
<ring0_starr>
windows NT4 source is a similar story
<heat>
dont speak about windows nt4 source
<heat>
thanks
<ring0_starr>
you got some kind of personal vendetta?
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<heat>
i dont want to get sued or become unemployable by virtue of illegal IP leaks
<ring0_starr>
lol
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<ring0_starr>
there are so many reasons why that can't happen but w/e.
<ring0_starr>
at first i thought you didn't want to have nt4 talk here because there are a number of reactos devs in the channel or something
<heat>
there's a number of employed people working on various kernels
<heat>
possibly reactos, i wouldn't know
* the_oz
adds /boot/[gpt/ufs][zfs][fat32]boot
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* kof673
pats poor neglected nfs on the head
* kof673
washes hands afterwards j/k
<the_oz>
I haven't looked at the state of things but isn't like "v3 ok, v4 everyone ignore it until it dies..."
<kof673>
i just meant for booting...
<the_oz>
yuck
<kof673>
for freebsd, the kernel i believe can be loaded however, but then has to get root fs
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<SystemPrompt>
you don't need a job that won't hire you because someone knew something about windows nt 4
<ring0_starr>
you can have zfs as the boot filesystem ever since zfsldr.S got added
<ring0_starr>
i have a problem with people calling ip leaks illegal too
<ring0_starr>
i can only speak for the U.S., but copyright infringement law has mostly civil remedies
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<ring0_starr>
just because you can be sued for something doesn't make it "illegal"
<kof673>
roughly, anciently, legal == formal, without regard to ethics either way, written law == spirit, may or may not be written pure legalism means you can only do things explicitly written, with the permission of major league baseball (j/k but an example -- only what is authorized). it is 180 of what "america" claimed to be, where "people" (versus "gov.") can do anything by default, and then "delegate"
<kof673>
pure legal is: was jason wearing a hockey mask when he fired up the chainsaw? formalism
<kof673>
looks good to me :D
<heat>
illegal: not allowed by law
<heat>
per the dictionary
<heat>
not allowed by... copyright infringement law
<ring0_starr>
IANAL but civil jurisprudence uses the theory of torts to ascribe blame to other parties when one party is caused damage, and is provided a remedy
<ring0_starr>
it's on the plantiff to show damages, so even if they did something wrong with some IP, that's not necessarily going to get punished
<ring0_starr>
with the 1978 copyright act they define some standard damage amounts for violations but illegal in my view means literally breaking the law, like you-shall-not-do-xyz
<kof673>
^^^ yes, that is closer to original
<ring0_starr>
whereas IP law is more like a case of one party feels that they've been wronged and then go on this wild goose chase to prove it hurt them somehow
<ring0_starr>
patent trolls and such depend mostly on intimidation to get settlements
<kof673>
or pure formalism means, this dude stole the sheriff's badge, looks good to me :D
<kof673>
he's got the costume....what's the problem? these are exaggerated examples, but that is where pure legalism leads to...entirely formal, all substance vanished
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<ring0_starr>
...all that being said, there is such a thing as criminal copyright infringement, when somebody distributes clearly stolen IP on a mass scale for the purpose of profiteering, which is what i'd consider actualy "illegal"
<ring0_starr>
huh, AI qualifies as that
<ring0_starr>
waiting for the FBI to raid sam altman's mansion like what happened to kim dotcom
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<zid>
heat: why the fuck are the old EU4 DLCs still £17 each, I was watching some videos and wanted to play, but I guess not
<heat>
haha
<heat>
which ones?
<zid>
I need.. winds, dharma, emp, levi, domi
<zid>
Which is like, the price of two boxed games
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<zid>
or do you mean videos
<heat>
i meant dlcs
<zid>
okay yea then ^
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<heat>
hmm i'm just missing winds of change and domination
<the_oz>
"hmm 80% neat" *opens page* *has heart attack* I'll never pay for this game because 80% off means $200 wtf "Hmm 80% neat"
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<the_oz>
oh for some reason it's 40% for me? Whatever
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<nikolar>
KERNAL
<the_oz>
mornin'
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<dinkelhacker>
good morning!
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<dinkelhacker>
Hm.. interesting it seems to be much faster to set a data watchpoint that triggers once a variable ha a vlaue then to have a normal breakpoint that only triggers when the variable has that value.