<karenw>
Unfortunately this 10 year old HP brick is the only working laptop I own. I've got through two newer laptops that have eventually died since then, but this thing keeps on rolling. Slowly. And very warmly.
<Ermine>
You may want to check the fans and thermal paste then
<zid`>
laptops be warm
<zid`>
and tbh, if they're full of bad fans and dust, they tend to be *cooler*
<zid`>
because they throttle sooner as the heat can't escape the die
<heat>
let me out
<zid`>
GET IN THE HOTSPOT
* zid`
shoves
<Ermine>
Winter came, so my laptop is at 26C
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<zid`>
winter comes early in mother russia
<zid`>
it's still the start of autumn here
<heat>
laptop at 26C? wtf
<heat>
is your room temperature -40C
<zid`>
one of them 10W socs maybe
<zid`>
rather than the 30W PERFORMANCE PARTS
<zid`>
Nxxxx sku
<zid`>
rather than i5
<Ermine>
heat: my sister opened the window wide for some reason
<heat>
how many bears are in your house rn?
<Ermine>
1
<the_oz>
lul
<zid`>
the standard issue one
<zid`>
that everybody has
<zid`>
no extras
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<geist>
heh
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<kof673>
/bin/c89 i don't know how many of us there are, but we are surely not hard-coding for unix :D
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<kof673>
those people get kicked out of c89 club
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<heat>
you can't invoke the compiler without unix/POSIX :v
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<kof673>
we shall defend our c89 island, whatever the cost may be. we shall invoke via variables in makefiles, we shall invoke via shell scripts, we shall invoke in the batch files and the DCL, we shall invoke in the CL; we shall never hardcode a unix path...
<heat>
oh im not talking about a unix path
<heat>
/bin/c89 isn't portable im pretty sure, but 'c89' is
<heat>
well, c89 was, c99 was for POSIX 2011, new POSIX doesn't seem to have a c11 or whatever
* kof673
takes three shots of scotch at breakfast
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<Ermine>
"pax physical layout shall be identical to the ustar format" huh? so pax == ustar?
<nortti>
it's ustar, with the extra fields stored as special "file" entries
<nortti>
(in contrast to gnu tar format, which adds stuff after the ustar header)
<Ermine>
ah ok
<sortie>
ustar files are subject to US export restrictions, be careful
<Ermine>
sanctions again...
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<geist>
this time i had a nice report on the serial port
<heat>
haha, kernel paging
<geist>
i think the problem is the memfault_sun4m
<geist>
i think it's faulting somewhere that recursing into the VM
<heat>
right but i wouldn't be surprised if the netbsd kernel paged itself
<geist>
dunno.
<geist>
i *did* add a bunch of sticks of ram to it fairly recently (480MB, max is 512MB) so it's possible some of those are busted
<geist>
and its getting bit flips in the kernel. i've also seen it just straight up lock up after a while
<nikolar>
can't you run a memtest
<nikolar>
also didn't know there were multicore/multiprocessor sparcstations heh
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<geist>
good question, aside from the test in the firmware i dunno of anything except maybe some command line thing that pins some of the ram and tests it
<geist>
nikolar: yeah sparcstation 10s and 20s and lots of ultrasparcs were SMP
<geist>
ss20 you could put up to 4 cores in it, which is apparently a space heater, but pretty rare
<nikolar>
don't they all need proprietary sun perihperals and usch
<geist>
i have an ultra 10 (or is it a 5?) that is a dual ultrasparc 266 or something
<heat>
how wouldn't you have SMP sparcstations
<heat>
SMP was solaris' thing
<geist>
100%. until the later sparcstation ultra 40s or whatnot that switched to PCI
<nikolar>
i kind of want to get one at some point, but i'd rather not need to track down random peripherals heh
<geist>
i've had this sparcstation for years, cobbled it together from various parts
<nikolar>
like i don't need a crt monitor just for a sparcstation
<geist>
it's a big heavy pizzabox
<nikolar>
i imagine so
<geist>
i managed to find a 13w3 -> VGA adaptor and a LCD monitor that handles sync-on-green
<geist>
the harder part is getting a sparc keyboard
<nikolar>
that too
<geist>
but without that you can just use the serial console. if they dont detect a keyboard at power on they just do serial console and it's fine
<nikolar>
oh that's cool
<nikolar>
can you still use the graphical output
<geist>
in fact iirc the difference between a sparcstation 20 and a sparcserver 20 is whether or not it has a vid card populated
<geist>
i guess so, dunno honestly
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<geist>
but ss20 is i think the beefiest of the sparcv8 machines (sun4m)
<geist>
after that they went to sun4u which is sparcv9, 64bit, ultrsparcs, etc
<nikolar>
when did they go 64 bit again
<nikolar>
was it v8?
<geist>
v9
<nikolar>
or v9
<nikolar>
ah ok
<geist>
sparcv7 wasd the first gen, and i'm not sure those ever did SMP in workstations
<geist>
sparcv8 was the later 32bit stuff
<geist>
i forget precisely where the crossover is, but in sun terms they were
<bslsk05>
wiki.debian.org: SunSparc - Debian Wiki
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<geist>
sun2 and sun3 were 68k based arches before
<nikolar>
oh yeah that makes sense
<geist>
anywya one thing that is nice about most sun hardware is it's usually built like a tank and very well designed
<geist>
i think their later stuff where they started using commodity stuff was less good (blade 100, ultra 10, etc)
<geist>
they were trying to compete with PCs by making cheaper stuff
<nikolar>
well PCs were pushing into the high end market
<nikolar>
so it was hard to compete
<geist>
yep
<geist>
the death of the unix workstation companies
<heat>
look at what they did to my dear SGI
<nikolar>
:(
<geist>
i know, the google HQ is at the old SGI campus. B40-B43 is the old SGI campus
<geist>
of course Meta occupies the Sun campus
<nikolar>
eww meta
<heat>
sun used to be at menlo?
<geist>
yep. at least that was the big campus they built in the 90s and early 2000s i think
<geist>
i think they built it while i was there
<nikolar>
you worked at sun?
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<geist>
nah but i mean while i was at bay area
<geist>
they were a good place to work though i heard
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<heat>
probably
<heat>
they did lots of funky shit
<geist>
and just in general being nice people and interesting stuff and whatnot
<heat>
java, solaris, nfs, sparc
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<heat>
i'd like to meet bill joy
<nikolar>
yeah i would've loved to have worked there probably
<heat>
but bill left fairly early
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<nikolar>
(except for java, screw java)
<geist>
yah i only ever met jeff bonwick. he had come by apple to give a preso on ZFS
<geist>
and then the FS team went out for dinner with him and some of his sun buddies
<geist>
nice guy
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<heat>
was he carrying
<heat>
i think he was doing small storage stuff. not sure if he's retired yet
<heat>
>Co-President and Founder at iodyne
<heat>
nope, still doing startups
<geist>
yeah after sun
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<heat>
"Jason is a Renaissance engineer who sees new market opportunities due to his breadth of knowledge and instinct for synthesis. He truly embraces change, happily creating or synthesizing several new technologies at once. He is also a joy to work with."
<geist>
i think this must have been a week or two after the preso to apple by hans reiser
<heat>
ah yes, linkedin, never change
<nikolar>
ah yes, a completely meaningless blurb
<nikolar>
thanks
<nikolar>
geist: of reiserfs fame?
<geist>
indeed
<nikolar>
isn't he in prison
<heat>
yes
<nikolar>
ah
<geist>
yep, but at the time i think he was essentially on the run. i think he got arrested not long after that. would have been like mid 2005
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<geist>
so he may have already killed his wife at the time he talked to us
<heat>
nah she died in 06
<geist>
i think it took a while for them to build a case against him, and find the body, etc
<nikolar>
well that's a fun thought
<geist>
oh ah okay.
<geist>
one little funs tory i can no longer tell. THANKS HEAT
<heat>
:D
<nikolar>
kek
<heat>
>In 1998, while working in Saint Petersburg, Russia, Reiser reportedly arranged to meet a Russian woman he selected from a mail-order bride catalog.[15] Five months later, he married the pair's interpreter, Nina Sharanova
<heat>
ah yes
<heat>
norma relationship stuff
<heat>
normal
<geist>
makes sense. pick the one that speaks english
<nikolar>
kek
<geist>
he was fairly clearly on the spectrum. not that there's a problem with that of course
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<geist>
but it was pretty stereotypical not able to read the room, etc
<geist>
i reember asking a question about something and he looked at me like i was a total idiot for even asking, etc
<nikolar>
lol
<geist>
like if you're trying to sell a product to a company (reiserfs 4) you usually would try to humor their questions, et
<zid`>
have you met any other murderers
<zid`>
or is that your only murderer story
<nikolar>
lol
<geist>
hmm good question
<geist>
i suppose it's possible someone in high school or whatnot ended up murdering someone
<kof673>
murderer meets you? <ducks and covers>
<heat>
is it possible your question made him murder his wife?
<heat>
maybe it was that stupid of a question
<zid`>
^
<nikolar>
lel
<kof673>
i need a t-shirt with blanka electrifying/bonus-stage-smashing a car "video games don't make people destroy cars, acpi makes people destroy cars"
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<geist>
yah probably
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