<bslsk05>
redirect -> www.reddit.com: Reddit - Dive into anything
<zid>
I fucking hate that reddit switched to internal hosting that doesn't give you images
<zid>
imageshack.us all over again
<GeDaMo>
That's the problem with relying on other people :|
<netbsduser``>
the focus on look-and-feel strikes me as odd
<netbsduser``>
until quite recently most things were very themeable
<netbsduser``>
now that people have to beg just for a "dark mode", look and feel is seen more as an inherent attribute of software
<zid>
dark mode beggers = telephone users
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<zid>
because phones haven't figured out how to measure ambient light and adjust their backlight setting to be less than "1400 suns"
<zid>
shit should look like a sheet of paper, not like staring into a lamp
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<nortti>
I have some old monochrome display phones that are comfortable to look at in the dark yet stay visible in the sun, but never seen a colour screen that's able to do that
<zid>
The problem is just contrast, full sun is a *lot* of light to compete with
<zid>
so they have to be sun-like when outdoors
<zid>
then people take them indoors with the same backlight setting, then complain that the *website* is white
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<gog>
it's not really possible to do that just with the nature of the display. the paper is always going to reflect ambient brightness, the screen always has to be brighter than ambient light
<gog>
not by much though
<gog>
and the minimum brightness could be lower
<gog>
my computer can go pretty low, idk why my phone can't match the gamma curve
<zid>
It probably can it just can't be configured to
<zid>
My monitor's brightness is set to.. 28, out of 100
<zid>
with dynamic contrast off, which is like, a 10x multi
<zid>
so roughly 28/1000
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<kof123>
> 20 years ago we would’ve said bill gates was on drugs no, when two people constantly fight love is in the air :D
<kof123>
i am not trying to paint with a broad brush, but this was predictable somewhat
<kof123>
where else could open source (as opposed to fsf diehards -- again, not trying to stereotype, but broadly...) possibly go?
<kof123>
they had to make some kind of deal, somehow
<kof123>
neither was going to just vanish
<kof123>
to clarify "ms loves linux" was a marketing campaign, lest you think i am being too mean. marketing invents its own storylines lol
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<kof123>
marketing had no choice. what else could they do? 1) linux is cancer 2) ignore 3) try to be friends broadly, what else could they do?
<kof123>
they already had tried 1) and 2) lol
<kof123>
3) was the only option remaining lol
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<kof123>
i will yield to mjg. but 100% of nothing, or try to get some small % of the "market". it makes sense from that angle. they aren't trying to convince the diehards, they want "moderates" perhaps.
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<totally-not-mjg>
embrace & extinguish innit
<totally-not-mjg>
buying competition to kill it is not a new idea
<totally-not-mjg>
right now bill and steve don't have a linux distro, but they have poettering
<totally-not-mjg>
it is a matter of time before you get more involved integration between windows and linux
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<mcrod`>
i don’t think linux is going anywhere
<totally-not-mjg>
no, but ms got their fingers in the ecosystem
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<totally-not-mjg>
thanks to red hat monopolizing one of the aspects
<totally-not-mjg>
and then stealing the main person behind it
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* totally-not-mjg
burps
<totally-not-mjg>
kof123: key is that what drives linux deployment in the real world (and linux vability as a commercial platform) is not some basement dwelling neckbeards with arch linux
<totally-not-mjg>
it's a bunch of people in suits signing a deal for a project
<heat>
whats with the arch linux slander youfucking goblin
<totally-not-mjg>
take it is heat, arch best distro fuckin great innit
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<heat>
yes
<heat>
it's not a mega patched pseudo-RHEL kernel
<totally-not-mjg>
it's not pseudo-RHEL
<totally-not-mjg>
unless you mean centos :O
<heat>
fedora is pseudo-RHEL
<heat>
it's a RHEL wannabe for poor people
<totally-not-mjg>
fedora is to-be-rhel
<totally-not-mjg>
or at least was
<heat>
ubuntu is also pseudo-RHEL
<heat>
or better, a fedora clone
<heat>
what's with the microsoft linux slander
<totally-not-mjg>
what slander
<totally-not-mjg>
all i see is DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEV^WFUCK OFF STEVE
* Ermine
is poor
<heat>
E&E
<heat>
microsoft loves linux because linux makes them a lot of money
<heat>
money that would not be made if they did not love it
<totally-not-mjg>
windows is choice
<totally-not-mjg>
here is the funny bit
<heat>
windows constitutes a tiny part of the revenue pie
<totally-not-mjg>
commercial viability of a softawre project is driven by existence of people who use it, but who don't have the expertise to even make an informed choice about competition
<totally-not-mjg>
this includes professional setting
<totally-not-mjg>
basically people who treat it as an integral part of doing something
<heat>
commercial viability of a software project is driven by it not being linux desktop
<heat>
if it is linux desktop, it's dead
<totally-not-mjg>
nooo
<totally-not-mjg>
ey heat
<totally-not-mjg>
when i was your age
<totally-not-mjg>
commercial unixes were still alive and mostly viable
<totally-not-mjg>
but it was already obvious linux is going to whack them
<totally-not-mjg>
so during that period there were numerous flamewars
<totally-not-mjg>
TRUE FUCKING UNIX systems vs HIPPIE LINUX
<totally-not-mjg>
when Sun announced they are going to open solaris
<totally-not-mjg>
soy^H^Hunboys started proclaiming linux will be dead immediately
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<totally-not-mjg>
fuckin' everyone is going to switch to one true system now
<totally-not-mjg>
funny how not only that did not work out, but oracle closed it (:d)
<heat>
i wish
<heat>
i fuckin hate this hippie commie linux unix
<totally-not-mjg>
ya linux shite system bring back Tru64
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<Ermine>
heat: I'm not sure that windows brings them only a tiny part
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<heat>
it does
<heat>
if you google them numberz you'll find around 10-20%
<Ermine>
little bit more than 20%
<heat>
azure + office easily dwarfs windows
<Ermine>
Not tiny
<totally-not-mjg>
ye peoplez totally look at the available office-like suites and make an informed choice
<heat>
also worth pointing out that it's more likely than not that the windows revenue is dominated by preinstalls
<heat>
totally-not-mjg, yes youf ucking idiot
<heat>
unless you want people to use openfuckingoffice or librefuckingoffice
<totally-not-mjg>
take it easy russel
<heat>
al viro
<Ermine>
Pre-install is how they won the market in the first place
<totally-not-mjg>
you must have missed the part where there are other SOFTWARES out there like google progs
<totally-not-mjg>
people just use what they use
<heat>
google's office suite is entirely in deh clowd
<totally-not-mjg>
and in particular in older companies they fucked themslves into a corner
<totally-not-mjg>
with legacy xls and doc files
<totally-not-mjg>
which they comically mismanage
<totally-not-mjg>
which again i'm confident was an informed choice
<heat>
hold up let me write some excel macros in VBA
<bslsk05>
'Was (Not Was) "Hello Dad, I'm in Jail" (1987) (HD)' by Holy Zoo (00:01:26)
<kof123>
vbccz was not related to any chat, just found that the other day
<gog>
meow
<kof123>
https://nadvsh.sourceforge.net more seriously, someone like me, that could be an interesting "bytecode" maybe lol vbcc i assume is pretty lightweight too, for jitting lol anyways...
<bslsk05>
nadvsh.sourceforge.net: New Adventure Shell
<kof123>
i don't think i will do that, but crossed my mind lol
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<kof123>
with "bytecode" it is tempting to start saying "this type of process, uses these instructions" so it is tempting to just have different types of "processes" and "instructions" that implement various languages
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<kof123>
it would be, like each type of process, is a subsystem for a particular language/VM. i'm not sure that is a good idea, but it sort of puts languages on an "equal level" that they are all just implemented with their own particular bytecode instructions lol
<mcrod`>
i’m going crazy
<mcrod`>
fuck MSSQL
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<gog>
hi i'm porting nettiers to efcore
<gog>
fuck everything
<gog>
fuck this leaky-ass abstraction
<gog>
nettiers, not efcore
<gog>
efcore is pretty tight-ass
<heat>
why does everyone always complain here
<gog>
because if i complain irl people will know that i'm not the chill and easygoing person i pretend to be
<heat>
lawful good IRL gog vs chaotic neutral IRC gog
<gog>
yuh
<gog>
anyhow it's 5 and i'm gonna go home
<gog>
byee
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<mcrod`>
heat
<mcrod`>
what else are we supposed to do
<heat>
write operatin system
<mcrod`>
i used to be *far, far worse.*
<mcrod`>
that’s why i have half of the friends i used to have
<mcrod`>
:(
<heat>
hello geist i'm in jail
<heat>
mcrod`, yeah i mean most people do not like negativity so it does put people off
<mcrod`>
well it’s not targeted at anyone
<heat>
still
<heat>
it gives off the wrong vibes
<mcrod`>
i get it though
<mcrod`>
trust me on that
<heat>
and tbf i have struggled in the past with that, but as I've grown I realized being such a cunt is just bad for me and for everyone around me
<heat>
also nothing is that serious we're all going to die one day
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<Ermine>
where can I also whine about stuff?
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<geist>
Right we should just find a balance
<geist>
But yeah bad vibes put people off
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<heat>
i've just had a particularly interesting exchange with theo and his adversarialness left a sour taste in my mouth :(
<heat>
<heat> also nothing is that serious we're all going to die one day
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<kof123>
what would mel do? > Mel loved the RPC-4000 because he could optimize his code: that is, locate instructions on the drum so that just as one finished its job, the next would be just arriving at the “read head” and available for immediate execution.
<kof123>
it is all about timing. story of mel circa 1600 > The Demon Armostose happens by suddenly cutting the ripe branches, & making them fall into the fire to continue it & nourish it with its permanent radical substance, until the fairy torch has been lit therein that shall guide the Lovers in the obscure alley that leads to the residence of the fair Olocliree. > & this rebirth will be the pure substance, that threading itself in the Bou
<kof123>
by the blood of the dismembered Lion, shall graft the tree from which will spring the worm from which shall be made the Phoenix
<kof123>
just time it so the demon helps you lol
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