<Wizzup> still weird to see status applet say battery is fully charged, but have mce not show the green led
<Wizzup> sicelo: btw, confirmed that up to date n900 on leste also suffers from ts being open in elogind/xorg bug
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<sicelo> does the mce battery full thing work on droid 4 or something else?
<sicelo> oh btw droid 4 always shows green ...
<sicelo> i guess mce already does something like turn led green if charger online && capacity > 96% ?
<sicelo> Wizzup: 9a36f9f25c9440e412b672c mce - i would say those need to be blacklisted at kernel level. i was going to say remove from config but i guess kernel blacklist will be easier
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<Wizzup> 07:16 < sicelo> does the mce battery full thing work on droid 4 or something else?
<Wizzup> no, but it used to work on the n900 when spinal was working on it
<Wizzup> maybe it's a kernel thing, or upower thing
<Wizzup> sicelo: I disagree, we already had a blacklist in place, so having it in mce for now makes sense to me, but yeah, fine to do in the kernel too, but I don't have the time and skill to do it
<sicelo> ok
<sicelo> i meant blacklist the module from loading, but yeah, anything that works is fine
<Wizzup> hmmm
<Wizzup> well, we can do in parallel
<Wizzup> do you think this will not interfere with the functioning of the rest?
<Wizzup> because I think some of these we need, but we just don't want upower to use them
<Wizzup> I mean sure there's this one useless rx51 battery, but the rest, I think we need
<sicelo> we don't need these drivers on n900
<Wizzup> ok, then let's work on a blacklist for these as well
<Wizzup> so I checked and maemo-system-services is at the new/fixed version
<Wizzup> and the input dev getting disabled seems to suggest mce does its thing
<Wizzup> but why does X keep it open now
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<Wizzup> freemangordon: so I see DisableDevice get called in X
<Wizzup> but elogind and X do not free it
<arno11> Wizzup:i can confirm as well elogin/xorg ts issue on n900 but by chance I have still an old img
<arno11> from march 13
<arno11> last dist-upgrade march 15
<arno11> and issue already there
<arno11> kernel 6.0 bla bla rc
<arno11> otherwise no inpact on power consumption
<Wizzup> I'm pretty sure the problem is with elogind and X running in user mode
<Wizzup> I'm retracing our steps
<arno11> on my old img x and elogin run as root
<Wizzup> yes, I think this is it
<arno11> but the issue is already there
<Wizzup> this is with old maemo system services
<Wizzup> if you upgrade just that it should be fixed
<Wizzup> I think what happened is that we figured out half of the problem: mce wasn't able to disable the devices when X ran as root
<Wizzup> but the other half: X and elogind not actually releasing the fd when X runs as user, was not solved
<arno11> so 2 different issues ?
<Wizzup> 21:45 < freemangordon> but, maybe we shall drop logind session (and run Xorg as root) until done
<Wizzup> let me try something
<Wizzup> lol, another loop-break apt upgrade
<Wizzup> hm, even with the xorg legacy pkg installed this still happens
<Wizzup> :(
<Wizzup> I am out of options right now
<arno11> I've just upgraded maemo system services on old img to check difference
<arno11> no change
<arno11> still root and ts issue
<Wizzup> phone call, brb
<arno11> Wizzup:ttyl have to go too
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<Wizzup> so I think the short term solution is to just not build X with logind support
<Wizzup> we will still get the sessions any everything
<Wizzup> it'll just run as root
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<Wizzup> yeah, with xorg-server built without logind everything is fine pm-wise
<Wizzup> so there is really some unique breakage there in the logind code
<Wizzup> I think this is probably what we want to do
<Wizzup> brb\
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<Wizzup> so I think what happened is that I promoted the -devel xorg-server a while back when talking with fmg even thoguh we should not have since it has this bug
<Wizzup> wait.... `user` is not in the `input` group
<Wizzup> I think that can be a problem too, but I am not sure if that's why we have this problem
<Wizzup> freemangordon: ^^
<freemangordon> what is the isuue?
<freemangordon> *issue
<Wizzup> freemangordon: hi!
<Wizzup> freemangordon: on chimaera now, ts is again now released by xorg and elogind
<Wizzup> and it's unrelated to the problem we saw before with mce not disabling it
<Wizzup> mce disables it, but X still does not release
<Wizzup> I went down our previous steps trying to figure out what is up
<freemangordon> on which device?
<Wizzup> all
<freemangordon> on d4?
<Wizzup> d4, n900, etc
<Wizzup> and I think the problem is that I moved xorg with elogind support to chimaera
<freemangordon> not possible, I have more than 24 hours idle, but still lemme check the current
<Wizzup> ok, well, lsof shows it
<Wizzup> and power usage shows it
<Wizzup> we all have the problem
<Wizzup> I've fixed it in -devel for now by downgrading to xorg without elogind (everything else still works)
<freemangordon> ok
<freemangordon> sorry, just came home, will need some time to catch up
<Wizzup> I think the above is the whole summary really
<Wizzup> unless you're sure you had it working before with xorg with elogind support enabled
<freemangordon> well, I was seeing the smae average current
<freemangordon> *same
<freemangordon> lets have my d4 battery charged, will check what's going on
<freemangordon> ttyl
<Wizzup> cheers
<Wizzup> d=2023-04-02|t=16:15:39|i=OFF:0,RET:6319|p=96|c=NA|b=none
<Wizzup> I get this reliably now
<Wizzup> (with wifi off)
<bencoh> 96mW?
<Wizzup> looks like it
<Wizzup> it jumps a bit to 105 some of the time
<Wizzup> with modem on
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<Wizzup> arno11: if you dist-upgrade on -devel the pm issue should be gone
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<tmlind> Wizzup: yup that looks better for power consumption
<Wizzup> tmlind: right, so with this I can look again at the neigh probe stuff
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<tmlind> Wizzup: ok, that's still about 20mW higher compared to what i'm seeing on alpine with wlan off 3g voice and data online
<tmlind> and i think we still have some mystery 5 - 7mW of idle saving lurking around in some d4 device
<tmlind> just a gut feeling though
<arno11> Wizzup: ok i'll try in a bit but i never had pm issue
<Wizzup> tmlind: it could perhaps also be my device, I've had one or two droids that just used more power, even when turned off i saw them use power on lab psu
<Wizzup> might not be this one
<tmlind> ok
<Wizzup> I might be worth at some point to upgrade to -devel on yours and check (the ts not being closed bug is worked around there)
<arno11> Wizzup:there is no inpact on n900 pm and it's logical
<Wizzup> arno11: well it will be a pm issue I think, on n900 there used to be a kernel hack to force suspend the ts, but I think that is gone
<Wizzup> arno11: how is that logical?
<arno11> because touch screen is never really off
<Wizzup> arno11: what do you mean?
<Wizzup> it should be
<arno11> remember pm stuff with n900, we can't hit ret or off mode because of screen
<Wizzup> so what I know is that with ff62b5a2d7c4794659b626469b30d4fce43fdcbf and 34df5ff446f3b03f2dc4f1049fa57db544cd7b66 the screen idles ok with fd closed
<arno11> elogin and x issue or not, idle is still the same
<Wizzup> that is
<Wizzup> wip: Input: tsc200x-core: use runtime PM instead of custom functions
<Wizzup> and
<Wizzup> wip: Input: tsc2005: disable irqs on suspend
<Wizzup> and we ship this
<Wizzup> however, note that the ts is only released when the device is locked
<Wizzup> that is not the same as 'screen off'
<Wizzup> so you need to use double power button press or lock screen slider
<Wizzup> let me check this on my n900
<arno11> ok
<arno11> weird
<Wizzup> btw latest kernel also has the pm debugging sysfs file
<Wizzup> well I guess this depend on the setting that auto locks the screen or not
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<Wizzup> arno11: how many mW did you normally see?
<arno11> I've just triplecheck and everything is fine as always
<Wizzup> do you mean that X does not hold the touchscreen open?
<arno11> 50mW /185mW as usual
<Wizzup> arno11: sorry, this is screen off / on?
<arno11> i'm just saying that elogin issue or not, i have the same idle
<arno11> off
<arno11> sorry 50mA/185mW
<Wizzup> I see two values
<Wizzup> ok
<arno11> giving more than 24 hours
<Wizzup> I am seeing p=230mW right now, with wifi off
<Wizzup> d=2023-04-02|t=17:06:24|i=OFF:0,RET:0|p=230|c=91|b=ST_SDRC,ST_SDMA,ST_OMAPCTRL,ST_I2C1
<Wizzup> the b= are the blockers
<arno11> that's quite a lot
<Wizzup> with modem on
<Wizzup> in any case, if you want I can try to see what happens if I keep the ts actually enabled, but I'm sure it will use a lot more power
<Wizzup> unless the kernel misbehaves, which is possible, since it's my patch
<arno11> yes could be interesting
<Wizzup> like: userspace should never keep ts open, ever, if it doesn't need it
<Wizzup> since that means the ts will be powered
<Wizzup> btw it looks like the check bl-5j's I bought are really poor, like less than 400mAh :D
<Wizzup> (they were not polarcell)
<Wizzup> s/check/ceap/
<Wizzup> cheap* even
<arno11> ah could explain that
<Wizzup> arno11: but, you see lsof keeping ts open now, or not?
<Wizzup> just to see where you're at atm
<arno11> yes ts open in lsof
<Wizzup> also, if you download the n900 pm script and don't start it, just run status, we can compare blockers and such (even with off/ret not enabled)
<Wizzup> ok, well, I think if you upgrade to -devel and reboot, you will see it probably use less power
<arno11> ok but there is a bias i forgot
<arno11> i'm a bit undervolted
<arno11> with custom uImage
<bencoh> undervolted?
<arno11> yes
<arno11> opp table modified
<bencoh> oh
<arno11> and overclocked to 850
<bencoh> hmm, is it still stable?
<arno11> very stable
<arno11> and much more smooth
<Wizzup> hard to compare then yeah :D
<arno11> yes indeed
<Wizzup> in any case I will modify leste-config to add swap on emmc by default to fstab, but not only once and not if there is some other entry
<arno11> ok cool
<Wizzup> then I guess we need.. phone audio, some ofono fixes eventually, and better pm
<Wizzup> (for n900)
<arno11> yes we are not so far
<Wizzup> 230mW seems like my regular idle mW btw
<arno11> ok so arround 60mA
<bencoh> I think fmg has had his main n900 overclocked for years, but I don't think he undervolted it ...
<Wizzup> bencoh: there's no need with ret/off working
<bencoh> true
<bencoh> idle power on fremantle is quite low as it is
<arno11> bencoh: every known overclocked profiles from fremantle are undervolted
<Wizzup> very low :)
<Wizzup> arno11: well if you can confirm that latest devel with the ts closed idles even better, I'd like to know
<Wizzup> also, lmk what you did on phone audio so we can get back to pavel
<arno11> ok but i need time because to compare with my previous idle, i need to create a new uImage with same parameters
<Wizzup> oh, right
<Wizzup> well, conceptually it should really help :P
<arno11> so let's go
<arno11> back in 20-30min with results
<Wizzup> but also conceptually you should have seen this before any of our elogind work
<Wizzup> (this = the idle saving)
<Wizzup> s/idle/power/
<arno11> never seen any difference
<arno11> (dist-upgrading...)
<arno11> Wizzup:"lmk what you did on phone audio so we can get back to pavel" ok
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<arno11> (arghhh force loopbreak option i don't like that lol)
<arno11> anyway seems to work
<arno11> rebooting and then creating new uImage
<Wizzup> cool
<buZz> hmmm weird, my d4 lost(?) its calibration while being on charge overnight
<buZz> seemingly didnt reboot
<buZz> guess i'll just discharge to 'omg charge now' and charge it all the way up
<arno11> ok uImage created...rebooting
<arno11> uImage seems fine. loading
<arno11> Wizzup: ok let's testing and compare
<arno11> no difference 46mA
<arno11> as usual
<Wizzup> and if you run cat /dev/input/eventX >/dev/null where X is the ts?
<Wizzup> (and then measure)
<arno11> ok let's go
<arno11> no difference same result
<arno11> let's try again to be sure
<arno11> still 47mA
<Wizzup> ok
<Wizzup> sounds like my kernel patches for pm are not enough then
<Wizzup> thanks for verifying
<Wizzup> seems like we can get lower pm then still even without ret
<arno11> yes totally agree!
<buZz> 47mA is already amazing to me :D
<arno11> it's really great arround 27 hours idle ;)
<arno11> modem on 52mA
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<arno11> btw user experience should be really different using custom overclock kernel. i didn't talk to much about that but the n900 is so much responsive...comparable to overclock fremantle
<arno11> even better playing videos
<buZz> :) cool
<buZz> even youtube?
<arno11> yes using yt-dlp
<arno11> and 360p
<buZz> nice nice
<arno11> even kodi is working
<arno11> 17.6
<arno11> and for me the most impressive stuff is retroarch
<arno11> impossible to run on fremantle afaik
<buZz> why not the actual emulators?
<arno11> not really working on n900
<arno11> i mean snes, nes, megadrive
<arno11> scummvm runs fine
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<buZz> arno11: gee, not even picodrive?
<arno11> picodrive doesn't work (even the retroarch module)
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<arno11> but through retroarch, genesis gx works well
<buZz> gee
<Wizzup> documenting all of this would be real cool btw
<Wizzup> we have people who do fun stuff with leste but then others have to jump through the same hoops
<Wizzup> but I know, E_TIME :D
<arno11> :)
<Wizzup> I have my macro lens set up now to make some photos of the batteries
<arno11> oops i've to go. i will try to find time to document fun stuff.
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: seems we are going in circles :) https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/include/linux/input.h#L132
<freemangordon> I remember dmitry refusing n900 patch to disable TS back then
<Wizzup> lol
<Wizzup> I think I just broke the eb41 pcb
<Wizzup> so probably my attempt to document it with my macro lens stops here
<freemangordon> baaad
<Wizzup> yup
<Wizzup> just confirmed :)
<Wizzup> well, in another month or two I can try again
<bencoh> is that the battery control board?
<Wizzup> I guess so, yeah
<Wizzup> I didn't think it'd be this big and also didn't think it'd be so hard to remove
<buZz> its similar difficult to other batteries :)
<Wizzup> what can I say, I'm a sw guy
<bencoh> :)
<Wizzup> I don't have any spare one here though, so it'll probably be sometime in June I will try again :D
<buZz> i want to order another LG cell , and redo my attempt
<buZz> but will have to be >1 month from now i guess
<Wizzup> freemangordon: in case it wasn't clear, my lol was @ the inhibited property
<Wizzup> I guess someone with more political capital asked him the same
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: yeah
<freemangordon> so, we can fix both issues now - idle current usage and volume keys ;)
<freemangordon> 3% remaining until my battery is full, then will see how inhibiting TS helps on idle consumption
<freemangordon> hmm, we have to disable 2 devices
<Wizzup> what do you mean with volume keys btw
<freemangordon> using them when the device is locked
<Wizzup> ah
<freemangordon> now we can't do that
<freemangordon> afaik
<Wizzup> I don't think we disable all devices
<Wizzup> so what kernel was this added
<freemangordon> lemme check
<Wizzup> it might not be exposed to userspace, too?
<freemangordon> 5.11
<freemangordon> it is
<freemangordon> check your sysfs eventX
<freemangordon> Wizzup: btw, what idle power consumption do we aim for?
<buZz> -10mA
<buZz> :D
<freemangordon> ok
<buZz> hehe
<buZz> would be nice, not using phone, and seeing it charge on itself
<freemangordon> hehe
<freemangordon> anway, setting TS to inhibited reduces power usage by 30-40 mW
<Wizzup> freemangordon: well, that's good news I guess
<freemangordon> mhm
<freemangordon> my device is still with elogind xorg
<Wizzup> I guess we have elgoind to thank for this
<freemangordon> so, we have to check mce code
<freemangordon> yes
<freemangordon> well...
<Wizzup> ridiculous :)
<Wizzup> but nice
<freemangordon> no, wait
<freemangordon> it is xorg
<freemangordon> it does not release devices when it disables them
<freemangordon> elogind is not at fault here
<Wizzup> well it's the code added to xorg by loginx folks
<Wizzup> logind*
<freemangordon> well, ok, whoever added the code
<Wizzup> right
<freemangordon> also, it is really hacky
<freemangordon> that do some trickery with libinput fds as well
<Wizzup> mhm
<Wizzup> that and it's buggy
<Wizzup> let's just do inhibited, I think that's what we wanted to begin with
<freemangordon> but, I think we shall simply teach mce to disable input devices via sysfs
<freemangordon> right
<Wizzup> I wonder how mce will find the path in sysfs
<freemangordon> /class/input
<bencoh> from udev events
<freemangordon> wait, wait
<Wizzup> yeah, I think udev
<freemangordon> I think it is way simpler than that
<Wizzup> yes
<Wizzup> there is
<Wizzup> sorry
<freemangordon> just inhibit all the devices that has no power and volume keys
<Wizzup> /sys/class/input/event2/device/
<freemangordon> and slider as well
<Wizzup> that has inhibited entry
<freemangordon> yes, it has
<Wizzup> freemangordon: yeah I just meant how to find the inhibited path
<freemangordon> ah
<Wizzup> imo we can stick the current mce logic on what to disable for now
<Wizzup> like there's also the slider
<Wizzup> which is not power nor volume
<Wizzup> so maybe just set whatever we would normally disable to inhibited
<freemangordon> yes, but it is special key as well
<Wizzup> *shrug*
<freemangordon> I have to look at the code
<Wizzup> *nod*
<freemangordon> 137610
<freemangordon> this is avg power with 2 ssh sessions
<freemangordon> connected to network and wlan on
<freemangordon> uvos__: ping
<freemangordon> uvos__: this https://github.com/maemo-leste/mce/blob/maemo/chimaera/src/modules/x11-ctrl.c#L32 is not used, why is that?
<freemangordon> also, do you want me to create another module that disables input devices through sysfs or we already have some code?
<Wizzup> I would make a copy of it and call it input-ctrl or something
<freemangordon> I thinkwe already have some code, I have to find it
<Wizzup> I think the disabled code is probably removed
<Wizzup> my guess anyway
<freemangordon> :nod:
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<uvos> freemangordon: because we must disable all input devices anyways
<uvos> this is a remnant from when this module disabled touchscreens only
<uvos> if you want to disable input devices via sysfs you must remember that is is a very new interface
<uvos> i forget when it was added but it was added after we implmented the xinput solution
<uvos> so maybe 2019 is at the earliest
<uvos> so lts kernels wont have it
<freemangordon> yes, it was introduced in 5.11
<uvos> we absolutly can use volume keys while the deivice is locked
<uvos> this has nothing to do with this anyhow
<freemangordon> but, mce from fremantle was using the same interface on n900 to disable TS
<uvos> simmular interface yes
<uvos> it used it for every deivce btw
<uvos> not just s
<uvos> ts
<freemangordon> " uvos: this is a remnant from when this module disabled touchscreens only" - though so, thus the question
<freemangordon> yes, I knwo
<freemangordon> so, I plan to create a new module that will disable through sysfs
<uvos> sure
<freemangordon> do we still need x11-ctrl to disable the input devices?
<uvos> depends
<freemangordon> hmm?
<uvos> well no yes
<uvos> we do
<freemangordon> why?
<uvos> so you cant disable the keybaord devices (since you must be able to get power, volume etc)
<uvos> but you must prevent xorg from getting any key
<uvos> while the display is off
<freemangordon> well, I will implement some logic there
<uvos> otherwise it will enable the crtc
<uvos> i would avoid implementing any logic
<uvos> really
<freemangordon> like, will disable only devices that does not have power, volume and slider
<uvos> besides ts/keyboard
<freemangordon> what other *input* devices do we want active while the device is locked?
<uvos> dose userspace disableing a input device affect kernel comusmers
<uvos> presumably no
<freemangordon> according to docs it closes the device
<freemangordon> so it might affect kernel consumers iiuc
<uvos> that would be sorta bad
<uvos> so i doubt it
<freemangordon> why?
<freemangordon> see https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/002401d96152$e5ab1f70$b1015e50$@emc.com.tw/T/
<uvos> this would mean userspace can lock out vt switching or mutch worse sysrq
<freemangordon> see elan_inhibit
<freemangordon> there was something in the docs about inhibited devices that remain wake-up capable
<freemangordon> analogy with network devices were given
<uvos> ok, point is
<uvos> dont disable keyboards
<uvos> for vt switching and sysrq
<freemangordon> while device is locked?
<uvos> yes
<uvos> sure
<freemangordon> this does not make any sence
<uvos> yes it dose
<freemangordon> not on mobile
<freemangordon> for server maybe
<freemangordon> but we will not inhibit on server anyway
<uvos> its very usefull for debuging and it cost no power
<uvos> so comeon
<freemangordon> you dont; know if it costs power or not
<freemangordon> in general that is
<freemangordon> imagine USB keyboard attached
<freemangordon> this will cost power
<uvos> yes that is exactly when i want it to work
<uvos> when usb keyboard is attached power is presumably less of a concern...
<freemangordon> how's that?
<uvos> i suggests we are close to an outlet
<freemangordon> also, debuggin is not the usual usecase
<uvos> or do you carry a keybord around
<uvos> anyhow on d4 its functionally free
<freemangordon> this is another usecase,and we have an option to not lock when connected to power supply
<uvos> anyhow whatever
<freemangordon> right, lets have something working
<freemangordon> we can extend it afterwards
<freemangordon> I will try to put some sane coding in there
<uvos> anyhow it would be better if we could fix the issue in xorg/elgoind instead
<freemangordon> for sure will not disable power, volume and slider devices
<freemangordon> I can try to
<freemangordon> the issue is in xorg
<uvos> since inevitably we will have people running leste on old kernels...
<freemangordon> I doubt
<uvos> i mean there are people useing libhiibris
<uvos> on like 3.x kernels
<uvos> dunno if its worth it
<uvos> depends on how mutch time it takes
<freemangordon> please, don;t ask me to support this abomination, to me this is one of the reasons we still don't have foss drivers on mobile
<uvos> and we cant get rid of x11-ctrl at all
<uvos> so then we have more stuff doing the same things
<freemangordon> foss gpu drivers I mean
<uvos> effectively
<uvos> freemangordon: sure
<uvos> im just saying theres people doing this
<uvos> with leste
<freemangordon> yeah, that was my question about do we still need x11-ctrl
<uvos> yes we do
<uvos> as explained
<freemangordon> right, but we can keep the module without loading it
<uvos> no
<freemangordon> ok, got it
<uvos> you need it __all__ the time
<uvos> since if x11 gets vol up
<uvos> it will turn on the display
<freemangordon> then maybe it worths trying to fix xorg
<uvos> you cant configure it to not do that
<freemangordon> btw, how does this play with volume keys?
<uvos> they get routed around
<uvos> by mce
<freemangordon> ah
<freemangordon> but this is a hack, no?
<uvos> yes but also no
<uvos> since even if you dident disable the xinput device
<uvos> you would still have to route it around the tklocks exlusive keyboard grab the same way
<uvos> so its no more hacky than that
<freemangordon> yeah, but from the POV of users outside mce, it is a hack
<uvos> no
<uvos> its exactly the same
<uvos> as the routing around tklock case
<uvos> same dbus interface
<freemangordon> ok
<uvos> for consumers
<freemangordon> ok, then I'll try to fix xorg first
<freemangordon> because it seems more consistent
<freemangordon> and there will be no 2 modules doing the same thing
<freemangordon> ok, thanks
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<Wizzup> freemangordon: btw, how can xorg open input devices if it is not in the input group
<Wizzup> I guess like you said it asks elogind to do it for it
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