<norayr> i think i did everything, will continue adding new, reviving old packages, or writing new apps.
<Wizzup> checked them off already ^_^
<norayr> btw our lagrange is the best build, sincerely. lagrange is usually built for desktops, but it has mobile mode, so i build it in mobile mode.
<Wizzup> check
<Wizzup> I am dist-upgrading now
<Wizzup> will let you know if it just works
<norayr> i'll try tomorrow.
<norayr> yep.
<Wizzup> python-is-python2 is the main question
<Wizzup> I added it to hildon-meta already
<norayr> next in my list is amazfish, it should work with chimaera, maybe dino from libhandy branch and libhandy will work? who knows.
<Wizzup> first time I tried that python2 symlink was the main problem
<Wizzup> I don't think we need dino, we just need conversations ready with xmpp :)
<Wizzup> I use dino on my laptop and it makes me continually unhappy
<norayr> yeah, that would be cool. dino makes heavy i/o and is bad on battery.
<norayr> yes, i use pidgin usually.
<norayr> dino under pmos can do e2e encrypted audio/video, plus omemo encrypted group chats.
<norayr> dino can call conversations of android.
<Wizzup> yes dino 0.3.0 can do all this but the audio/video almost never works
<Wizzup> I've had to compile the latest git head just to get audio some of the time
<norayr> heh.
<Wizzup> both with conversations.im server and my own
<norayr> i prefer our conversations, of course. in fremantle and even in diablo those were very useful.
<Wizzup> I end up using jitso or google met usually
<buZz> can pidgin do voice or video?
<norayr> pidgin can but not encrypted.
<Wizzup> telepathy-gabble can
<norayr> only audio.
<Wizzup> it works on n900 *still*
<norayr> pidgin doesn't know omemo.
<Wizzup> (fremantle)
<Wizzup> norayr: we have funding to add omemo to telepathy using libomemo-c
<Wizzup> but that'll be in the news post before xmas
<norayr> Wizzup: to me it doesn't work on n900 because my own server doesn't want to work with fremantle's libssl.
<Wizzup> norayr: you just need the right cipers
<norayr> great great!
<norayr> you mean /etc/ssl/certs or smth content?
<Wizzup> ./prosody.cfg.lua:tls_profile = "legacy"
<norayr> ah!
<Wizzup> and of course on n900 you -must- disable cert validation
<Wizzup> well fremantle n900
<norayr> aha. i'll try.
<norayr> i am in this chat via my xmpp to irc gateway.
<buZz> hehe nice
<Wizzup> norayr: which one is that?
<Wizzup> norayr: I've been wondering if we can make it easier for people to join the channel over xmpp
<Wizzup> btw, just dist-upgrade with current chimaera seems to pull in python-is-python2 on time
<Wizzup> upgrading my main d4 atm
<Wizzup> super fun :)
<norayr> bibi.spyurk.am
<norayr> i use room: #maemo-leste%irc.libera.chat
<norayr> and conf server: bibi.spyurk.am
<norayr> there are other public gateways too.
<norayr> the only problem is that once you joined you also get nickserv etc notifications.
<norayr> sometimes i think of writing xmpp-irc or vice versa bot, i already have my irc bot written from scratch in oberon, and i have contributed to one xmpp library, so maybe i will manage to one day.
<Wizzup> I'd like to avoid the bots that just parrot
<Wizzup> so spyurk is not your own? any idea what it uses?
<norayr> then the gateway remains.
<norayr> the software i use is called biboumi.
<norayr> it is connected to prosody.
<norayr> very easy in setup.
<norayr> and my gw is public.
<norayr> you can list some public gws on the wiki maybe.
<Wizzup> ok, maybe I should try this
<norayr> bibi.spyurk.am is my own. as well as spyurk.am jabber server.
<Wizzup> I mean, I'd try it on my own prosody setup
<norayr> yes, i just noticed i did not answer, that's why i said.
<Wizzup> check
<norayr> ok good night folks.
<Wizzup> gn
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<sicelo> on a good battery, is it fine to wait for 3.1V to shutdown D4?
<freemangordon> not now
<freemangordon> when charger detection is there, maybe yes
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<sicelo> what's a better absolute minimum voltage in general then?
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<uvos__> 3.3 ish for mapphones
<uvos__> for the general lipo case 3.1 is good
<uvos__> you must prevent it going below 3 so 3.1 is sane
<uvos__> as a hard shutdown _NOW_ signal anyhow
<uvos__> you might want to start shutdown earlier in the ussual case depends on how long that takes
* Wizzup is on chimaera on his d4
<Wizzup> dist upgrade worked out it looks like
<Wizzup> but not without hickkups
<Wizzup> freemangordon: please confirm whether you want testing, devel and experimental
<Wizzup> for chimaera
* norayr doing dist-upgrade
* buZz trying to get battery-eye working on d4
<buZz> seems to build, and i modified the datasource stuff to grab from /sys/class/power_supply/battery instead of using 'lshal'
<buZz> but seems the hal stuff is a bit more hardcoded i think
<buZz> also the collection seems to depend on dbus signals? :) i just made it once-per-minute for now
<Wizzup> buZz: yes, upower replaces hal, and it's all select-driven, so not polling, to prevent unnecessary wakeups of the device
<Wizzup> so, just like the python script I linked you, reading upower would be the best idea.
<buZz> but that leads to spotty graphs?
<buZz> the data from upower seems quite a mess :P in that it goes so long without reporting a voltage etc
<buZz> either way, i'll try to make the displaying no longer depend on hal stuff, then we could add any datasource really
<Wizzup> spotty graphs?
<buZz> like the data in gnome battery monitor showed, big periods of no-data
<buZz> even while phone is on and online
<Wizzup> I don't know what you define as big periods, but I haven't seen this problem
<buZz> ahwell, no problem
<buZz> at least, the battery-eye package from fremantle extras repos , built practically directly
<buZz> kinda makes me wonder how many of them would just build straight away :P
<Wizzup> many, it'd be great to have people port omre
<Wizzup> more*
<Wizzup> the trick is to identify which ones
<buZz> maybe its possible to 'blanket test' them all with some bash script
<buZz> and just record how many errors appear
<buZz> :P
<buZz> or top100 most popular ones or something
<Wizzup> it's a bit tricky, since some of them have git or svn repos, others just source uploads as tar
<Wizzup> and usually they need at least minor changes to debian/control
<Wizzup> btw there is this
<buZz> nice
<Wizzup> I think github issues would be better, simply because now people won't know when it's done
<Wizzup> or when there's any change at all
<Wizzup> but yeah it's astart
<Wizzup> and I probably started the page, so I'm probably to blame
<Wizzup> you can look here too http://maemo.org/downloads/score/Maemo5/25/
<Wizzup> btw, vcmi seems to be in bullseye
<buZz> > The purpose of VCMI project is to rewrite entire HOMM 3: WoG engine from scratch
<buZz> hah cool
<Wizzup> they hit 1.0 recently too
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<norayr> https://bpa.st/7C4VC - my upgrade problem
<Wizzup> norayr: yes
<Wizzup> apt-get install -f
<Wizzup> let it run
<Wizzup> and then resume dist-upgrade
<Wizzup> that should work I think
<norayr> trying
<norayr> i sometimes able to fix these things, i am thinking as well
<norayr> i am thinking of uninstalling something.
<Wizzup> dpkg --configure gconf2
<Wizzup> ?
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<Wizzup> hmmm np audio on chimaera yet
<Wizzup> no
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<norayr> i did dpkg --configure gconf2, it failed, then i tried to dpkg --configure libgconf-2-4, it also failed, but now apt-get -f install goes.
<Wizzup> norayr: yeah
<norayr> but i see
<norayr> lots of
<norayr> insserv: Script zzzremove-first-boot-flag has overlapping Default-Start and Default-Stop runlevels (S 1 2 3 4 5) and (0 1 2 3 4 5 6). This should be fixed.
<norayr> is that ok?
<Wizzup> I just ignore it
<norayr> ok it is generating locales, waiting.
<Wizzup> this will take 1-2 hours
<Wizzup> the whole process
<buZz> we could disable irrelevant locales :P
<norayr> ohhhh, though it was connected to the charger, the battery died and droid shat down automatically.
<norayr> ok managed to put it to charge mode.
<norayr> will continue in several hours, when it is charged.
<Wizzup> norayr: you had one job :D
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<norayr> it booted i can connect to it.
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<Wizzup> norayr: great
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<norayr> i think it is done
<norayr> the upgrade.
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<Wizzup> norayr: great
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<Wizzup> I have a bunh of apps from fremantle we could port
<Wizzup> where should I put the list?
<Wizzup> I can file issues under maemo-leste/bugtracker, or peraps maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker?
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<Wizzup> maybe some alsa pkgs are necessary for the audio to work then
<Wizzup> (d4)
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