<norayr>
i do not represent most of people in this chat, but i persotally don't use sim cards or calls and sms. i only use xmpp for communiation
<norayr>
i also access this irc group via my xmpp gw
<dotexe1337>
i am young (college aged) so i still use sms and calls occasionally
<dotexe1337>
but im fine just having a second phone for that purpose & wifi hotspot and using the n900 for everything else
<norayr>
no pidgin or dino or gajim and vpn or tor are enough for me.
<norayr>
so, not no
<norayr>
yes mot people in this chat care about calls and sms
<norayr>
but maemo leste also has good applets for easy access to tor or wireguard
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<norayr>
i think no linux and no mobile os has as easy and convenient vpn or tor setup.
<norayr>
i am pretty old, and in my country i had chats and internet before i had sms and calls.
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<norayr>
so i never understood why would ppl pay per message if they can chat via internet
<norayr>
but whatever
<norayr>
just repeating, i do not represent majority of this chat at all.
<norayr>
they do lots of work and lots of cool stuff already works.
<norayr>
it is a wonder that we have devices that work with mainline linux kernel.
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<Wizzup>
[16642.903900] PVR_K:(Error): DmaBufImportAndAcquirePhysAddr: Bad size and/or offset for FD
<Wizzup>
[16642.903930] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVMapDmaBufKM: Failed to get dma-buf phys addr
<Wizzup>
[16642.903930] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVMapDmaBufBW: Failed to map dma-buf handle
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: I saw my h-d crash twice in the last 12 hours or so
<Wizzup>
dsme restarted it
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<freemangordon>
anything in Xorg.log?
<freemangordon>
also, what were you doing when that happened?
<freemangordon>
Wizzup: ^^^
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<sicelo>
dotexe1337: the main N900 gripe is that you basically can't browse the Internet with it anymore
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<Guest224>
actually you can brownse internet, if pages are made support html4 and TSL 1.1 (professional made pages). HTML5 brownser missing.
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: will check in a bit, and just using the phone, not sure if I remember
<freemangordon>
what's going on with linux-sunxi? site is still down, nobody answers to my questions on irc.
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<Guest224>
freemangordon: have checked is site at archive.org...I cannot test with machine on my hands..archive.org site doesn't work with older Opera or Firefox anymore.
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: which irc server
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: they are not on libera
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<buZz>
guest224 should maybe upgrade to leste already :P
<buZz>
Wizzup: OFTC
<buZz>
and indeed quite silent , but it was weekend
<Guest224>
buzz: yes..I should, but I wait next version that support 3G in stable.
<buZz>
? whats wrong with 3G?
<buZz>
back when 3G was still working here in netherlands i could just go online with it
<buZz>
(on droid4)
<buZz>
i also dont think it really needs any other support than 2G/4G does
<buZz>
oh, in -stable- , you dont want to run -devel ? that might be a thing yeah
<Guest224>
really? does phone calls/sms work with droid4 also in -devel?
<buZz>
honestly think it'll be quite a while till we really call leste 'stable' :P
<buZz>
Guest224: yes, at least whole of 2022
<Guest224>
how about pp and n900?
<buZz>
its the only 'phone' i carry with me during the day, BUT , i dont do a lot of calls/txts , just data
<buZz>
pp does 4G aswell, havent tried n900 , but i've heard ppl in here using it with sim
<Wizzup>
buZz: n900 on leste has no audio on calls yet
<buZz>
ah :(
<buZz>
might be the pulseaudio mixer? or something lacking in driver(s) still?
<Guest224>
does pp or droid4 -devel SD-card-image still need wifi-connection to get packages for 2G/3G/4G?
<Wizzup>
buZz: tbd
<buZz>
i think they -all- can do USB networking
<buZz>
so wouldnt need wifi
<buZz>
(if you use the USB networking)
<Guest224>
but no mobile-connection packages included yet...still not stable enough?
<buZz>
hm? its plenty stable
<buZz>
Guest224: why not just go try it, instead of keeping guessing? :P
<mighty17[m]>
does gnome-mobile work with pvr?
<freemangordon>
Guest224: hmm?
<freemangordon>
Wizzup: yes, oftc
<Wizzup>
ok
<Guest224>
buzz: I tested stable on pp and I was too lazy setup USB-network (hard to carry with me)...now pp is with pmos. I hate it, but at least I can go to net,
<buZz>
ok? you could just ask here if you run into a issue
<Guest224>
freemangordon: that archive.org hint was only if you need from site something right now.
<Guest224>
buzz: that's why I wait next stable, that I don't have to ask so much here :)
<buZz>
Guest224: its not so helpful
<buZz>
;)
<Guest224>
:)
* freemangordon
hates staging rtl8723bs driver
* buZz
hates debian packaging :D
<buZz>
BUT i seem to almost be at a level where the .deb is functional
<buZz>
FINALLY , pff :)
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<uvos__>
buZz: main thing is that the n900 needs the call audio to be handled by the cpu
<uvos__>
all the other devices do this in hw
<buZz>
ah, for voicechangers? :D
<uvos__>
so this is not supported at all by our current pa setup
<buZz>
hehe
<buZz>
right
<uvos__>
there might be other stuff missing too kernel wise
<uvos__>
b
<uvos__>
but this is the main issue
<buZz>
i'm almost scared to ask ; are we planning to abandon pulseaudio for pipewire?
<uvos__>
i am
<buZz>
:)
<uvos__>
not sure about the others
<uvos__>
sphone works fine on pw
<buZz>
its kinda exciting , this pipewire stuff, as it also can do video routing
<buZz>
Guest224: maybe just get a -second- device to try leste on? ;)
<uvos__>
right so of the devices we support
<uvos__>
n900 has the worst support currently
<uvos__>
it goes in order of decending level of support: droid4 - bionic - pinephone - n900
<buZz>
good thing that droid4 is likely also the cheapest you can get, of the four
<uvos__>
no
<buZz>
well, maybe bionic (as its older?)
<uvos__>
the bionic is way cheaper
<buZz>
ah, k
<uvos__>
its about the same age
<uvos__>
but it was produced in the manny manny milions
<buZz>
in my mind droid4 is just ~25 euro
<buZz>
yeah , because it was international?
<uvos__>
the d4 was less popular
<uvos__>
buZz: no
<uvos__>
it was just the best selling phone in us at the time
<buZz>
is bionic the same qualcomm?
<uvos__>
mostly
<uvos__>
the antenna setup is worse for umts
<uvos__>
it gets worse signal
<uvos__>
its the same chips tho
<Guest224>
what I have only seen second hand droid4 as more expensive than new pp in europe...thats why I bought pp keyboard.
<uvos__>
Guest224: right it was only sold in us
<uvos__>
you have to import it for resonable prices
<uvos__>
Guest224: the pp is a fine choise too, aside from power management everything that works on d4 should also work on pp
<uvos__>
but most of us mainly use d4 so its better tested
<uvos__>
please report broken things :)
<Guest224>
hmm..motorola Droid 4 xt894 is hard to find..
<uvos__>
yeah they only pop up occasionally at this point (for resonable prices)
<uvos__>
and cost about 40-50 buZz is a bit out of date.
<buZz>
-maybe- Pro will be supported some day? no clue really
<buZz>
i have that 3GB version of PP here , just for testing dev stuff
<buZz>
i was amused that compiling devilutionX with make -j1 is faster on Droid 4 , vs Pinephone
<buZz>
:)
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<Guest224>
but that pp has 4 cores. if software can use then pp is faster.
<buZz>
yeah perhaps, the channel seemed to think that IO on pp is still a lot slower vs Droid4
<Guest224>
anyway always faster than N900?
<buZz>
yeah
<Guest224>
btw..x86 (not amd64) version of Leste would be cool for Nokia Booklet 3G or any another older minilaptops with 3G. (I know more supported devices is not on priority)
<buZz>
might be a option to enable the 32bit x86 builds
<buZz>
but might need a lot of testing :)
<buZz>
Guest224: many thinkpads X series have support for a internal modem too :)
<Guest224>
Leste would be cool to those thinkpads that are too slow to modern stantard desktop GUIs.
<buZz>
i dont know, my 'modern standard desktop GUI' is fluxbox, barely uses 32MB ram
<buZz>
been using it since ~1999 24/7 on nearly all linux machines i use
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<uvos__>
really hildon-desktop is extreamly resource intensive when compeared to basic wm type linux desktops
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<Wizzup>
it's kind apainful that offline mode indeed kills wifi, at least in the plane I am in now
<norayr>
there was tablet mode applet
<norayr>
in fremantle repos
<Wizzup>
ah
<norayr>
i wanted to try to build it now but then decided it might use some outdated things like nokia dbus messages and i am not an expert at all.
<norayr>
but u can build and change it easily i think.
<Wizzup>
I think we just need to integrate it better
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<sicelo>
btw, are we planning to do something about the wifi CVEs?
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<freemangordon>
PC CPU cooler fall off the board :D
<freemangordon>
my PC is so old that plastic clips that hold it became into pieces
<sicelo>
gawd
<buZz>
freemangordon: time for zipties? :D
<buZz>
sicelo: we'll have to wait till the fixes are inside the kernel , afaik
<buZz>
maybe we could backport the linux 6.x fixes to our current kernel version
<buZz>
or eh, i dont know, upgrade to newer?
<uvos>
someone should try 6.0 on d4 i gues
<uvos>
i hear it dosent work on n900 for sure tho
<uvos>
or has issues rather
<buZz>
not -yet- ;)
<buZz>
hehe well, yeah , we should , whichever version has the fixes anyway
<uvos>
well upping to 6.0 has to happen regardless of whatever else
<buZz>
right
<buZz>
just saying, it would be sad to do the work double ;)
<buZz>
if the goal is getting past these CVEs
<uvos>
once your on 6.0 merging in the .y branch for the cve at some point is no issue
<buZz>
yeah but i think the fixes are already inside them now
<sicelo>
6.0 works ok on N900. just musb is broken (since 5.19 actually)
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<sicelo>
buZz: the fixes were backported to some older kernels at least
<buZz>
ah, cool
<buZz>
well, i bet 'include the patches to our current kernels' would be a lot quicker/easier
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<sicelo>
mighty17[m]: i don't think anyone tried gnome-mobile on powervr sgx. it might run though. regular gnome (mutter) did run when i tested earlier in the year
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