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<buZz>
aw, guy who borrowed me his pinephone wants it back to play with :)
<buZz>
also morning
<uvos>
buZz: btw i repoduced the sphone hang bug on my laptop
<uvos>
its fixed (but not in repo yet)
<buZz>
w00t!
<buZz>
i dont think we yet have any route to add 'missed calls' or 'received sms' numbers from sphone or abook 'recent' to the addressbook, right?
<buZz>
beside trying to copypaste from something , or eh, remembering the number? :)
<uvos>
your sentance dosent quite parse
<buZz>
hm
<buZz>
if i miss a call, from a unknown number
<buZz>
i can return the call through sphone 'recent'
<uvos>
we have no way to add recent or missed calls to eds from sphone no
<uvos>
im not sure what you mean by or abook
<buZz>
but i cant copypaste the number, or send it to abook to add to a new contact
<buZz>
is that easier to understand?
<uvos>
you cant add the number to eds (which sphone and abook both use to store contacts) from sphone, no
<uvos>
you can copy the number tho
<uvos>
just click on it and copy it from the dailer field
<freemangordon1>
uvos: he means "recent" stuff in abook
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<freemangordon>
IIUC
<buZz>
uvos: ah yeah, thats a route indeed
<buZz>
i think i had issues with selecting the number there? let me try
<uvos>
works fine here
<uvos>
but yes adding a recent call/ sms to eds from sphone is a missing feature
<buZz>
they -are- already added to eds or at least, visible in abook
<buZz>
but eds doesnt know what to do with em
<uvos>
thats rtcom-el
<freemangordon>
I don;t think you can add "missing calls" to eds
<freemangordon>
right
<uvos>
by adding a missed call/ sms
<buZz>
freemangordon: it kinda seems like abook expects even missed unknown numbers to be a contact
<uvos>
i ment adding the contact
<uvos>
ofc
<uvos>
not the event
<buZz>
oh, derp, 'recent' doesnt work on my sphone yet ;)
<uvos>
[12:24] <uvos> its fixed (but not in repo yet)
<freemangordon>
buZz: no, it expects couple of things in rtcom-el database which are missing (local/remote id, things like that)
<buZz>
ah hmhm
<buZz>
its something i walk into every now and then while dailydriving it :)
<uvos>
dident even know abook shows recent calls at all
<uvos>
seams like kinda a role duplication with sphone
<uvos>
then again i dont use abook anyhow
<freemangordon>
buZz: so, when you click on some thing in "recent", if there is no contact for that local or remote id, it will ask you if you want to create contact
<freemangordon>
uvos: it shows recent *all*
<freemangordon>
chats, smses, calls, everything that was logged
<buZz>
freemangordon: oh yeah, that would be awesome, i was trying longholding etc
<buZz>
yeah, even IRC msgs , xmpp , anything
<buZz>
its really nice, once we get it all in shape i think :)
<freemangordon>
buZz: but, uvos said he doesn;t want to integrate more with hildon specific libs, so that will not work until we have another dialer that is integrated
<buZz>
right, ok
<buZz>
or if/when someone works through sphone to add it? :)
<uvos>
not sure why this requires any work on sphones side
<uvos>
besides fixing how sphone logs events to el
<freemangordon>
as soon as those are correctly logged, all functionality in addressbook will start working
<freemangordon>
uvos: do you keep econtact around if contact is selected through addressbook?
<uvos>
no and i cant, since eds isent the only possible of contact origin
<uvos>
so you have to match it again somewhere else
<buZz>
for leste?
<uvos>
for sphone
<freemangordon>
ok, but you can keep some general 'uid' to be used by backends, no?
<buZz>
oh, sphone has a different place aswell?
<uvos>
i use sphone on plain debian
<uvos>
it works fine on regular linux, desktop too
<uvos>
if you have a modem in your laptop
<buZz>
right, but you didnt release it for debian afaik?
<buZz>
i mean, i could only find it on the leste repos
<uvos>
right no
<buZz>
ok
<uvos>
i just build it localy for debian (for the droid ) and arch for the laptop
<buZz>
so its -a bit- leste only?
<buZz>
its the only place and distro where people could install it now?
<freemangordon>
uvos: what about adding some GList attached to CallProperties?
<buZz>
s/people/users/
<freemangordon>
some "GList *properties;"
<uvos>
freemangordon: the modapi cant/dosent leak any glib
<uvos>
sphone has qt modules too
<freemangordon>
ok, then whatever you use for lists or maps or even simple void*?
<uvos>
sure, but im not sure what you want
<freemangordon>
so abook plugin to put there whatever info is later needed in rtcom-el
<freemangordon>
bot modules are maemo-specific
<freemangordon>
*both
<freemangordon>
so they know how to talk to each-other
<uvos>
im not sure this is the best possible way to do it
<freemangordon>
won;t argue, I don't know sphone codebase
<freemangordon>
but, it should be able to pass some data around
<freemangordon>
ugly hack, but... :)
<uvos>
another thing you could do is just have abook lookup the contact if the value is not set
<freemangordon>
well, at least remote name shall start with tel:// or sms:// as it is uri
<uvos>
sure
<freemangordon>
ATM this is simply a number
<uvos>
but thats just beacuse i/wizzup had no idea what to put in those fields
<uvos>
since they arnt documented anyhwere
<freemangordon>
ah, I see :)
<freemangordon>
yeah, they are not
<freemangordon>
but, we can use the code I linked ^^^ for reference how they are used
<freemangordon>
otherwise, abook already does the search
<freemangordon>
given enough info
<uvos>
this also begs the question what sphone should put there if its not a sms or a call
<freemangordon>
what else does it support?
<uvos>
right now it puts the remote identifier there (ie whatever the backend uses to identify a remote endpoint could be nummber or user name or whatever)
<uvos>
freemangordon: well rn it only has a ofono backend and a testing backend, the testing backend has its own remote sheme
<freemangordon>
name for phone number?
<freemangordon>
sh
<uvos>
what name?
<buZz>
scheme*
<freemangordon>
"could be nummber or user name or whatever"l
<freemangordon>
user name
<freemangordon>
so, how do you call 'user name'? it has its own db?
<freemangordon>
this can be extended if needed ofc
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<buZz>
tiny of quality-of-life improvement suggestion ; could the 'switch off' in powermenu give a prompt 'do you want to poweroff?'
<buZz>
bumped it by accident two times now :D
<freemangordon>
no, please
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<buZz>
freemangordon: no? :(
<buZz>
weird, battery at 4.19V for over an hour, yet not hitting 'fully charged'
<buZz>
pff
<buZz>
:P
<uvos>
freemangordon: i think the current ui is pretty bad
<uvos>
freemangordon: this is exasperated that the power menu is triggerd by a single click of power key
<buZz>
plus single tap on touchscreen to fully poweroff
<buZz>
maybe the lock-slide or similar could be the confirmation
<uvos>
since on android devices the power key is expected to merly lock the device its not as stiff or small as the one on n900 they tend to be large and fairly easy to click
<buZz>
and , if triggered remotely , skippable
<buZz>
maybe even 'single power button tap' is lock screen, 'holding power button for >1 sec' gets powermenu
<uvos>
i also find it insanity that on all devices besides the n900 a double click is required to perform the single most common action a button is used for: lock the deivce
<buZz>
or eh, not sure
<uvos>
buZz: yes thats how i use it
<buZz>
hmhm
<uvos>
you can set it like that in mce.ii
<uvos>
*ini
<uvos>
imo the defaults are insane
<uvos>
they only make sense if you have fremantle muscel memory otherwise they make no sense
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<sicelo>
the d4's button has its own issues however, on hardware level, in addition to any perceived hildon flaws
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: I'm kind of inclined to agree that on devices where we don't have a hardware switch like on the n900, one press to lock/unlock, hold-press for power menu makes more sense
<Wizzup>
It's also a bit weird since one press already does some sort of unlock (turns on the screen)
<buZz>
dangit, i removed the blacklisting of the bt module
<buZz>
leads to hildon not showing itself, it seems :)
<buZz>
but wasnt an issue at home where i see 0 BT devices
<buZz>
but cant boot at space or along the road outside
<buZz>
where i think there's >10 bt devices
<uvos>
sicelo: i never had any issues with, what do you see?
<uvos>
besides it being a bit to easy to press in the pocket maybe
<buZz>
yeah i bet thats the issue
<buZz>
i considered sanding it down
<buZz>
or trying to de/resolder the switch a bit further away
<uvos>
i think the power key isent even the main culprit
<buZz>
or just , no powerbutton?
<uvos>
wrt the device tunring on the the pocket
<uvos>
its the slider for me
<buZz>
yeah could be aswell, depends on hingestiffness
<buZz>
or slide
<buZz>
w/e
<buZz>
i was hoping those holsters could fix that
<uvos>
i just disabled the keyboard slide unlocks the deivce function
<Wizzup>
btw, I saw someone is working on a wayland compositor on X
<Wizzup>
no idea how that's going to work but seems interesting
<sicelo>
my main gripe is that they don't like having things configurable ... many times you need to recompile
<Wizzup>
mhm
<buZz>
i need a cardreader, brb :)
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<norayr>
yes
<norayr>
that would be great since we dont have hhat button n900 has
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<uvos>
Wizzup: adding wayland support to xorg really would not be that hard
<uvos>
honestly if it wernt for the fact that the way they decided to do compositing outside of xorg by just handing all the rendering to some other process, a _terrible_ design decision that causes a mirrad of issues, xorg with wayland support would be a really good display server
<Wizzup>
right
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<sicelo>
Wizzup: i notice there's no N900 in your pics
<Wizzup>
sicelo: yes, I had no extra n900 :(
<sicelo>
alright. nice pics
<sicelo>
the 'modern' phone is pp?
<Wizzup>
yeah
<Wizzup>
brb
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<bumpkinbye[m]>
<uvos> "Wizzup: adding wayland support..." <- But why really
<bumpkinbye[m]>
Xorg is not broken and on the way reinventing the wheel, older devices suffer
<uvos>
in the furture applications will drop xorg suppot
<uvos>
its allready happening
<uvos>
xorg is not broken
<uvos>
but the x protocoll is
<bumpkinbye[m]>
How x protocol is broken?
<uvos>
lots of ways
<bumpkinbye[m]>
To me this seems like a vehement way to hijack linux development
<uvos>
its not
<uvos>
so some things unfixably broken in x11:
<bumpkinbye[m]>
If wayland people want a protocol not server geared they could use windows
<uvos>
1. 8 bit key codes, you cant have more than 255 keys worse these 255 keys need to be common across all devices ever 2. composeting works by letting another application render the windows, but input and window management still goes though x. this means where the window is placed and where it recieves input can and dose get out of sync, lots of effort is expended syncing these things up, badly it never quite lines up
<uvos>
x rendering works via imidiate mode on the front buffer, there is no way to sync it with vertical refresh
<uvos>
x rendering is totaly vestigel due to how compositing works
<uvos>
then theres the issue of extentions and core features that no one uses
<uvos>
who uses xvidinfo? xfont rendering? the core draw calls like xline etc?
<uvos>
no one
<uvos>
but that could (and should have) been fixed by just dropping old unused extensions and core features and calling that x12 causing minimal disruption because its almost never used anyhow
<uvos>
in 2004
<uvos>
but no one had the clout in x.org to push for this sort of change
<uvos>
so.. we end up in this mess
<uvos>
some thing with compositing inside of xorg instead of just absconding the rendering to ouside tools
<uvos>
that happend because the stake holders in x could not agree on how to do it in x
<uvos>
*same thing
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<norayr>
which pictures? was disconnecting whole day, probably missed phone pics from the event?
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