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<missMyN900>
but yeah even if I sell my PP and end up not having a ML device anymore, I will definitely mod qtwebbrowser if I have the time
<missMyN900>
that is not going to change because I have some Qt5/QML experience and I want to see alternative search engines being options in that browser
<missMyN900>
also, qtwebbrowser is cross-platform so it is hardly ML-only
<missMyN900>
besides I can always run ML in QEMU
<missMyN900>
I gained some QEMU experience recently (ran Haiku in QEMU briefly)
<missMyN900>
and I will definitely check in every now and then because I want to see ML succeed, even if it is only for a bunch of people in Europe and West Asia with mapphones ;) :D
<missMyN900>
chroot interests me as well but I don't know how hard it would be
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<missMyN900>
hmm looks like VoLTE will only be supported with the (expensive) Xperia 10 III and not e.g. the XA2
<missMyN900>
also, "Sailfish X is currently available in the countries of the European Union, UK, Norway and Switzerland ("Authorized Countries") and the use of our website and services to purchase Sailfish X outside of the Authorized Countries is prohibited."
<missMyN900>
I have read about people using a VPN but I honestly don't like relying on that and then there is the legality...
<missMyN900>
I am glad pmOS and ML do not have those restrictions and anyone can use them wherever they like
<missMyN900>
I wish I had a touch screen laptop; that would be nice for ML
<missMyN900>
some day, I guess...
<missMyN900>
Actually those new Mediatek Chromebooks that are getting mainline support could be interesting ML devices
<missMyN900>
I think they have touch screen as well
<missMyN900>
at least as dev devices they could be interesting
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<rafael2k>
Wizzup: tks
<rafael2k>
compilation finishing... running lintian now
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<missMyN900>
rafael2k: good morning. It is evening here ;)
<norayr>
everyone: msid package is already in repos. it doesn't work on fremantle anymore, but it works in leste.
<norayr>
Wizzup: why do i get this in builder: pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends: maemo-optify which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package ?
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<norayr>
(i understand optification is not desirable now but anyway, it is not a virtual package, i am able to list binaries from it on my pp)
<rafael2k>
msid is a commodore emulator?
<sicelo>
norayr: you probably have that maemo-optify in debian/control?
<norayr>
yes
<norayr>
sicelo
<norayr>
oh i don't know wait.
<sicelo>
Hehe, actually you know, because I see your last commit adds exactly that :-P
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<norayr>
yes i added it, but i added it because when it was only in rules
<norayr>
it didn't work
<norayr>
now i remember
<norayr>
so i should remove it and leave in rules?
<norayr>
let me try now but i remember it failed with not finding maemo-optify
<norayr>
that's why i added it to control.
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<sicelo>
You probably need to find why it looks for it
<Wizzup>
norayr: we don't do maemo-optify
<Wizzup>
norayr: please burn that with fire
<sicelo>
norayr: it's debian/rules that asks for it. Remove line 100
<Wizzup>
yeah but likely also debian/rules and other stuff rely on /opt stuff
<sicelo>
norayr: also i wonder why this package ships an el.db ... I'd say nuke it
<Wizzup>
missMyzN900: agreed @ interesting dev devices
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<Wizzup>
MartijnBraam[m]: even so, apis still aren't necessarily open, but yeah, I guess it's something...
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<norayr>
sicelo: hmm that's sqlight db, will try to remove it, don't know if it has function.
<norayr>
or actually it is a link to that db.
<sicelo>
It's really not needed
<rafael2k>
btw, if Pine64 sends me a PPP, I'll be happy to ađd support for it in Maemo-Leste
<Wizzup>
norayr: it sounds a lot like the event logger db
<Wizzup>
rafael2k: maybe once we do our new news post we can request that
<rafael2k>
Wizzup: lets try, indeed
<Wizzup>
maemo leste could also fund one otherwise
<rafael2k>
imho, Maemo-Leste is the best Linux distro to use with the PP keyboard
<rafael2k>
keyboard and mouse, if needed... having the cursor on the screen make a great difference
<rafael2k>
I'm still negotiating in Pine64 support center for them to send me a new PP keyboard and not just the mainboard of it
<rafael2k>
now MartijnBraam[m] mentioned, checking the pogo-pins connection... they don't seem very stable
<rafael2k>
may be I just buy a nice bt keyboard for my pp, and forget about the pp keyboard
<Wizzup>
I checked, it charges fine
<Wizzup>
but the input doesn't happen
<Wizzup>
I might just buy a new one, but it takes a while to ship
<rafael2k>
me toọ..
<rafael2k>
I just don't want it to break the very first day of use
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<rafael2k>
Now the ov5640 is in place, there is still some missing bits in sun6i-csi in order to have camera support in PP
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<rafael2k>
more specifically, implement the V4L2_CAP_IO_MC capability to sun6i-csi driver
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<rafael2k>
here we go, compiling the kernel again... I think if I don't get it right, I'll accept help for compiling the kernel not in the device
<rafael2k>
: )
<Wizzup>
it's truly trivial to not compile on the device
<Wizzup>
what distro do you use
<Wizzup>
well, I guess with the whole mobian setup with all these patches applied from debian it is maybe just a bit less trivial
<bencoh>
debian-style patches and the way those are handled makes building a kernel less trivial yeah
<bencoh>
(not that it's difficult per-se, but it's easy to use the wrong branch, or build it the wrong way)
<bencoh>
(personally I have no idea what should be used nowadays, btw)
<Wizzup>
what about just git :)
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<rafael2k>
debian
<rafael2k>
debian bullseye
<Wizzup>
hm?
<rafael2k>
are there arm64 gcc and toolchain already available to be apt-getted?
<buZz>
rafael2k: i did kernel on droid4 , took ~5 hours for a full build :D
<buZz>
i -think- mostly because SD access is so slow
<buZz>
maybe i could retry from a emmc partition .. hmm
<Wizzup>
guys stop with this :D
<rafael2k>
I'm running the build on emmc now
<rafael2k>
:P
<rafael2k>
Wizzup: tks!
<rafael2k>
I'll create a chroot with arm64 env...
<rafael2k>
buZz: just lintian run took more than 1 hour... I run now with --no-lintian
<buZz>
^_^
<buZz>
never used lintian in my life
<buZz>
for me, 'compiling kernel' is just make oldconfig; make -j2 ; sudo make modules_install ; cp arch/arm/boot/zImage /boot/boot/newkernel; sudo reboot
<buZz>
:D
<bencoh>
building on device :'(
<buZz>
bencoh: many distros do it by default even
<rafael2k>
debian dpkg-builđpackage run lintian unless you ask it not to
<buZz>
or at least, on the right architecture
<buZz>
rafael2k: dpkg-buildpackage doesnt work for the droid4 kernel .deb package, sadly
<buZz>
as there's no source package that works, it seems
<bencoh>
would it help you move to crosscompiling if I told you that a cute kitten dies for every on-device compiler call?
<rafael2k>
hummm
<buZz>
bencoh: fuck cats
<buZz>
:D
<bencoh>
aww
<buZz>
hehe
<rafael2k>
native compilation has a nice feeling
<rafael2k>
:P
<buZz>
bencoh: in my mind, kittens are most useful as ballistic projectiles
<Wizzup>
buZz: iphbd on the n900 did some stuff there by forcing not sending packets too often
<Wizzup>
there is also power_save with iw, but that should be on already
<buZz>
first time i looked at iphbd :P
<buZz>
IP heartbeat daemon?
<bencoh>
yeah
<buZz>
> It provides synchronization services for applications. For example it synchronizes IM status updates that they happen at the same time in order to save battery.
<rafael2k>
if I need something to be trusted, I just one a SSD or nvme
<rafael2k>
(or an HD, in the good ol' times)
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<norayr>
i did expect that removing optification for live-wallpaper will break something. and indeed, some of the live wallpapers, and the sherman, for which i started it all, don't load now for some reason.
<norayr>
i am afraid i'll spend days to figure that out, especially given my load these days at work.
<missMyN900>
it has different WiFi (probably Broadcom) and cameras
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<rafael2k>
missMyN900: no problem
<rafael2k>
we can still support PPP, the to the same level as all other distros (or better : ) )
<rafael2k>
with the advantage of Maemo - providing a true tablet PC experience, much beyond a traditional phone UI, from phone calls to emacs, X, glibc and good ol' debian/devuan base
<rafael2k>
: ))
<rafael2k>
(for the PR team ^)
<rafael2k>
:P
<rafael2k>
at least the modem is the same in PPP, so we can use the same ofono for PP
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<Wizzup>
hw
<rafael2k>
at least the modem is the same in PPP, so we can use the same ofono for PP ^
<rafael2k>
diđ it happened to you that all the people left and came back? ***** has quit (*.net *.split)
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<buZz>
rafael2k: yeah its normal on irc
<buZz>
its called a netsplit
<missMyN900>
buZz: what does it do?
<buZz>
irc is made of networks, and each network is multiple servers
<buZz>
sometimes those servers die or lose connection
<buZz>
then ppl move to a random other one usually