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<missMyN900>
norayr: I have been reading more about Oberon again lately. Modula-2 interests me too though. Apparently the GNU Modula-2 will become part of GCC soon, which is pretty exciting. Years ago I was very into Wirthian languages, although I never did much actual coding in them.
<missMyN900>
aside from that OT stuff, I am more and more disappointed by the PP. Read about more hardware issues with the PP. I am actually thinking of selling my PP now that it still is worth something.
<missMyN900>
I could get a USB LTE modem instead and a Droid Bionic
<missMyN900>
I honestly wish I would have just gotten a ThinkPenguin USB LTE modem at the time and not rushed into buying a PP which turned out to be useless for LTE anyway when it arrived
<Daanct12>
missMyN900, curious, what happened to your n900?
<missMyN900>
sold it for way too little money because I thought it was slowing our WiFi network due to being 11g only
<missMyN900>
yes, I was an idiot
<missMyN900>
I will forever regret that
<missMyN900>
back in 2015
<missMyN900>
or so
<Daanct12>
ouch
<Daanct12>
that sucks, sorry for your loss :/
<missMyN900>
it was actually fully functioning except for one sensor
<missMyN900>
and it had one ding and a scratch
<missMyN900>
never had any USB port issues; I only learned about those years later
<missMyN900>
at least someone got really lucky I guess
<Daanct12>
the one that i just bought old didn't had that issue either
<Daanct12>
so i guess that was cool
<missMyN900>
I was lucky myself too when I got it for only $100 in mint condition so I guess I can't complain really
<missMyN900>
how much did you pay for yours
<Daanct12>
eh, ~20 bucks
<missMyN900>
when did you buy it cause I have a suspicion...
<Daanct12>
just two years ago, it was old
<missMyN900>
oh nvm
<Daanct12>
it's not really mint as it's well used
<Daanct12>
but everything still works great
<missMyN900>
does the camera app ever open randomly?
<Daanct12>
nope
<missMyN900>
it can't be mine then
<missMyN900>
unless you never reflashed the OS
<missMyN900>
I broke the sensor that detects when the camera cover is opened by dropping it
<Daanct12>
i actually did reflash the OS once i got it home so i can get rid of the data
<missMyN900>
I modified a kernel module to disable it
<Daanct12>
it still has the contacts
<Daanct12>
i see
<Daanct12>
well i didn't have the issue, mine only opens when i slide out the camera cover
<missMyN900>
but yeah, I might actually get a Droid Bionic since they are cheap here in the US
<Daanct12>
i think these are US exclusive too
<Daanct12>
verizon*
<missMyN900>
yes
<missMyN900>
but Wizzup has become the European dealer of Droid 4s ;)
<Daanct12>
hehe
<missMyN900>
I think he has some DBs too
<Daanct12>
i'd like to buy from him a droid 4, that'd be nice to own
<missMyN900>
he has like 10
<missMyN900>
there aren't even that many on eBay in the US currently
<missMyN900>
much less, in fact
<missMyN900>
the battery life of the DB is very appealing
<missMyN900>
PP battery life is absolutely terrible
<missMyN900>
even on latest pmOS+Plasma
<Daanct12>
that's typical for the pinephone, that thing runs absolutely hot
<missMyN900>
supposedly Phosh has much better battery life
<Daanct12>
it's a good hand warmer in the winter, but not now
<missMyN900>
I find it almost hard to believe though given how appalling it is
<missMyN900>
if I buy the TP LTE modem and the Droid Bionic I may still have money left to spare after selling the PP
<missMyN900>
I just hate losing on selling a phone, again
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<missMyN900>
I swore that would never happen to me again
<missMyN900>
after I lost a ton on my Jolla and BB Classic
<missMyN900>
but yeah, losing even more money due to it failing or getting damaged is even less appealing
<missMyN900>
and the PP is quite easy to drop and I often forget to put it back into its case since I can't charge it in its case
<missMyN900>
a smaller and chunkier phone such as the DB is much easier to avoid dropping
<Daanct12>
i think the charging issue can be fixed by reseating the charge port?
<missMyN900>
I am not an expert on that at all
<Daanct12>
not sure
<missMyN900>
better to visit TMO for that :)
<missMyN900>
I don't worry about dropping my Z10 at all, for example
<missMyN900>
Daanct12: have you ever owned a BB10 device?
<Daanct12>
no
<missMyN900>
you should try one
<Daanct12>
i'm actually more interested in devices that runs linux
<missMyN900>
on one hand the experience will never be the same as it was back then since the app store is closed
<missMyN900>
on the other hand you can get one for $20, at least in the US
<missMyN900>
I bought my Z10 for about $20
<missMyN900>
in 2020
<missMyN900>
use it as an MP3 player
<missMyN900>
much cheaper than a Fiio or especially Astell&Kern ;)
<missMyN900>
Daanct12: I like devices that run Linux/BSD too but I can also appreciate BB10 OS
<missMyN900>
it is somewhat similar to the Sailfish OS UI
<missMyN900>
very smooth, also uses Qt
<missMyN900>
and QNX is very cool
<missMyN900>
it is more advanced than Linux design wise
<missMyN900>
I think BB10 OS and SFOS were both inspired by the MeeGo Harmattan/N9 UI
<missMyN900>
Z10 is also a pretty unique device. The first touch screen-only BlackBerry. Made in Mexico. And it has a play/pause button between the volume keys which is awesome.
<missMyN900>
mine is a Canadian one, ex-Rogers I believe
<missMyN900>
I also partially got it because of nostalgia. I sold my Jolla to buy a BB Classic because I missed the hardware keyboard of my N900 too much
<missMyN900>
anyway, I saw that there is a recent image for the DB so that is encouraging
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<missMyN900>
there would be one less PP user/tester but on the other hand one more DB user/tester :)
<missMyN900>
at least I was able to extensively test ML on the PP in the time that I have had it
<missMyN900>
it is a shame that I would probably not be able to run pmOS on the DB but I don't have much love for Plasma (and especially Phosh) so that is hardly a dealbreaker for me
<sicelo>
You can run pmos on it if you port it ... not difficult since kernel work has already been done for you
<missMyN900>
yeah, I was thinking about that
<missMyN900>
I don't like the idea of running Plasma on a dual Cortex A9 with 1 GB RAM much though...
<missMyN900>
and the DB does not exactly have a large screen so running a desktop UI would not be great either
<missMyN900>
speaking of new devices though
<missMyN900>
I was gifted some random 9" Atom-powered W10 tablet recently
<missMyN900>
I could try to run ML on it if it is not too much work
<missMyN900>
otherwise I might build a pmOS image for it
<sicelo>
I ran plasma on droid once, although i couldn't get past lock screen
<missMyN900>
LOL
<sicelo>
Droid4 *
<missMyN900>
well, I prefer Hildon anyway
<missMyN900>
I would say you are not missing much TBH
<missMyN900>
the new linux mobile UIs are very disappointing
<missMyN900>
having used Fremantle, Sailfish and BB10 OS
<missMyN900>
(and various versions of Android and iOS)
<missMyN900>
Nemo Mobile is interesting though
<missMyN900>
it is moving at a glacial pace (pun intended), however
<sicelo>
I think they're good, at least phosh, which i follow
<missMyN900>
I guess we have very different preferences
<missMyN900>
I think SFOS and BB10 OS (and Harmattan although I never personally use it) had vastly superior UIs
<sicelo>
And i think phosh is modern hildon
<missMyN900>
yes, I believe you have said that before ;)
<missMyN900>
I just hope this Atom tablet is not locked down too badly
<missMyN900>
at least it is x86
<missMyN900>
but I know that with Windows 8 there were some really locked down tablets
<missMyN900>
sicelo: is there an ML image for x86?
<missMyN900>
is x86 even supported?
<missMyN900>
I think Hildon on 9" would be brilliant
<missMyN900>
but otherwise I will have to go with pmOS and MATE
<sicelo>
There isn't (image). But you can probably ask Wizzup to build one for you, or build for yourself even
<missMyN900>
at least I wouldn't have to cross compile ;)
<missMyN900>
I remember there was some special environment for Fremantle
<missMyN900>
I think I used it when I built a kernel module for my N900
<missMyN900>
sicelo: so x86 is supported by the ML repos? It is just that a current image has not been built?
<missMyN900>
I guess it could be a good device to run Netsurf on...
<missMyN900>
"Debian Jessie (8.0) was the first Linux distribution to include full support for mixed-mode UEFI installation on these machines. The multi-arch installation media (available in netinst form) include the UEFI boot loaders necessary for both i386 and amd64 boot"
<missMyN900>
guess it would be difficult to run AMD64 pmOS on it and it would definitely require a custom ML image
<missMyN900>
on the other hand that image should work for every old Atom tablet out there so that is a lot of (probably cheap) devices so could be worth the effort
<missMyN900>
as long as they are not locked down of course
<missMyN900>
but that should be relatively easy to research
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<rafael2k>
but sometimes the quectel uses CSFB, especially if there is not profile for VoLTE in the firmware and switches the RAT to 3G or 2G for voice calls
<rafael2k>
here is does CSFB, which is by far not a problem
<rafael2k>
for T-Mobile in US, it is confirmed working, use this profile in the quectel: +QMBNCFG: "List",4,0,0,"Commercial-TMO_VoLTE",0x05010505,201811231
<rafael2k>
just realized missMyN900 left... eheheheh
<rafael2k>
Wizzup: when you have time, please accept the PR and trigger the package creation ^
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<rafael2k>
btw, for the only big missing feature in the PP in Maemo right now is still the camera... no good UI yet
<rafael2k>
*for me
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<Wizzup>
might be
<rafael2k>
just tested SMS and voice calls with the new kernel - all good!
<Wizzup>
great.
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<Wizzup>
I will be afk for a bit, back later
<Wizzup>
thanks for working on it rafael2k
<Wizzup>
and yes I did try to change the dtbs, I think there's some other regression
<Wizzup>
I found a 2020/2021 image that did work for me
<Wizzup>
so I might need to compare the loaded drivers and dts/timings
<rafael2k>
try with this new kernel when you have time
<rafael2k>
there were some drivers and dtb changes
<Wizzup>
my pinetab is old
<Wizzup>
before the yannounced it even
<Wizzup>
afk
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<rafael2k>
understood
<rafael2k>
I think with very small work we could have PPP support... just boot loader + copy the proper dtbs should be enough now, with this same kernel
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<uvos>
Wizzup: i mean the nexus battery i use in d4 is essantly the same as bw8x
<uvos>
2200mAh, regular chemistry
<uvos>
besides being physically smaller than bw8x (fits in the stock battery bay)
<uvos>
motorola dident create a extended battery for d4, unlike d3 and bionic
<uvos>
is voice calls work fine on pp
<uvos>
maybe we should promote sphone
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<Wizzup>
rafael2k: I don't have a pinephone pro, but would be nice if someone has so that we can try it
<Wizzup>
uvos: let me see if I can get the mapphone hacks to work, then we can promote it as working on most devices :)
<rafael2k>
there are lots of USB work, especially for role shift stuff (master / slave)
<Wizzup>
yeah so I need to make maemo-kernel-{version}
<Wizzup>
I think I pushed a tag
<Wizzup>
let me try to build it
<rafael2k>
and concerning the keyboard, many lines ensuring maximum current limit is enforced, in order not to have magic smoke I suppose
<Wizzup>
yeah, I see
<Wizzup>
I think I might have fried mine already
<rafael2k>
I fried mine
<Wizzup>
:(
<rafael2k>
and this pachset mostly written by meggi is reccent
<Wizzup>
it's too easy to try it
<Wizzup>
fry*
<rafael2k>
just imported to mobian
<rafael2k>
I will end up buying the 9 USD board replacement and try to fix my... they sent indeed a board replacement, buy I was in Brazil and missed the delivery, and it returned
<rafael2k>
should it not be something like ...5.15.48...?
<rafael2k>
I remember long time ago in my N900 there was a plug-in to change roles in USB
<rafael2k>
do we still have that?
<Wizzup>
h-e-n, yes, but we don't have it now.
<rafael2k>
as I understand, the new patchset also should provide better external monitor / usb dock support
<Wizzup>
ok
<rafael2k>
right. At some point I might revisit that... I just can not find my USB-C to "normal" usb to connect my USB ethernet adapter or a keyboard to test
<Wizzup>
the sw is still there, foss, it just won't work as-is on the n900
<Wizzup>
but we can re-use some of the code
<rafael2k>
I remember the usb keyboard and ethernet was working fine in PmOS, but in Maemo, as we set USB to gadget mode, kernel was just crashing when I connected anything, but this more than a year ago
<rafael2k>
yeap, I was just thinking in re-using it for newer kernel versions
<bencoh>
(alhtough it might be already merged nowdays)
<bencoh>
also I used to work with that chip (a few years ago), so ... feel free to ask, I might remember some stuff (hopefully)
<rafael2k>
exactly, it is indeed, but it seems there are some differences how pinephone uses it, so everybody just uses the highly hardcoded MegaPixels app...
<bencoh>
s/chip/sensor/
<bencoh>
oh
<rafael2k>
cool!
<rafael2k>
I will if I discover exactly what features are missing in the v4l code
<rafael2k>
I remember I use to have a list of the missing capabilities, but can not find
<buZz>
for running maserati-calibrate, should i be on wifi?
<buZz>
it keeps failing on this d4 i moved a sd card to
<bencoh>
key expired should be ignored
<buZz>
running it right after first failure gives different failures , so not sure if i'm just doing soemthing wrong :D
<bencoh>
(nokia keys expired a looong time ago)
<buZz>
what kernel config are we using? is it in arch/arm/configs/ ?
<buZz>
(for droid4)
<Wizzup>
omap2plus_defconfig with changes from our own repo afaik
<Wizzup>
bencoh: well yeah but apt doesn't want to ignore it
<buZz>
oh dangit, i'm on the wrong branch, i think? wip/n900/maemo-5.15-cleaned-up
<buZz>
or is that used for all omaps now
<Wizzup>
that is also for d4
<Wizzup>
uvos: is in the process of cleaning it up
<Wizzup>
I am not sure if he already did and the ball is in my court
<buZz>
alright :) well, i'll just build a d4 kernel from this ;)
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* buZz
tries ARCH=arm make -j4
<buZz>
lol what
<buZz>
gcc: error: unrecognized argument in option ‘-mabi=aapcs-linux’
<buZz>
hmmz ok
<buZz>
maybe my workstation really is getting up for updates soon :P
<uvos>
buZz: to recalibrate you have to reinstall the stock nvs ie reinstall the ti firmware whatever package
<buZz>
yeah, i did apt reinstall, and ran the calibrator, gave an error
<rafael2k>
do anyone knows where is the settings in maemo that sets USB to gadget mode (at least in the PinePhone)?
<buZz>
lol, just found a Nokia SU-W8 in my storage
<buZz>
rafael2k: i dont think there's any gui for that right now
<buZz>
its probably something in /sys/platform/*
<buZz>
some echo "bla" >
<buZz>
wait, isnt it usb gadget by default, to begin with?
<buZz>
'ip addr' doesnt show a 'usb0' interface?
* buZz
tries his pinephone
<buZz>
hmmm, i see
<buZz>
rafael2k: 'modprobe g_ether' gives me a 'usb0' interface, not sure if its totally working, but connecting it to my chromebook here does see a [4417301.161764] usb 2-2.4.4.1: Product: RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget
<buZz>
cdc_eem
<buZz>
right, ethernet emulation module :D
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<Wizzup>
bencoh: this should work already, with the right modules being probed. usbnet is the default
<Wizzup>
err buZz
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<buZz>
Wizzup: yeah rafael2k was asking :P d4 is g_ether by default but pinephone isnt, is that by choice?
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<rafael2k>
buZz: it is working indeed... I can ssh over usb normally
<rafael2k>
I wanted to know indeed how to use the USB in host mode
<rafael2k>
it is usb gadget by default, indeed...
<buZz>
oh!, eh , i dont know exactly
<buZz>
on d4, i just connected a otg adapter + usb cardreader to the port, and it worked first try
<buZz>
-without- disabling usb gadget or usb0 interface first
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<rafael2k>
right, good to know, I'll take a look, tks!