<midfavila>
(what i do find funny tho is that it's way cheaper for me to buy british goods imported to australia and then imported to canada than to buy the same goods imported directly...)
<kris_>
do you guys have takes on email providers
<kris_>
i've been selfhosting one for public facing stuff or for job applications for a while but using protonmail for all of my personal stuff for a while
<kris_>
costs the same amount of money for me to just pay for protonmail premium to get the custom domains, but like two days ago i learned that the proton CEO was sucking up to trump on twitter which puts me off
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<midfavila>
yeah proton sucks shit
<midfavila>
they narc too
<kris_>
idk about narc
<kris_>
do you have any thoughts on tutanota
<kris_>
i'm being vareful here because emails generally contain somewhat confidental information obviously
<kris_>
s/vareful/careful
<midfavila>
no, they do. they've released emails before.
<midfavila>
tuta seems okay
<kris_>
metadata yeah no email content
<kris_>
they did the minimum they could as required by law
<midfavila>
they could have just not
* midfavila
sniffs
<kris_>
who do you use or do you selfhost
<kris_>
ive been running just a straight up postfix server for a few years but im getting kind of tired of dealing with it
<midfavila>
i use sdf for personal and proton for "PrOfEsSiOnAl" shit
<midfavila>
hoping to change away soon
<midfavila>
from proton i mean
<kris_>
ive been using proton for my personal stuff for like 5 years now but like
<midfavila>
if it's actually confidential i talk to whomever irl in the middle of nowhere
<kris_>
if you suck up to a fascist you're a fascist
<midfavila>
:v
<kris_>
if i have to actually speak to someone confidentially i usually use xmpp
<midfavila>
idk too many loose strings
<kris_>
opsec can be a bit of a beast yeah
<midfavila>
better to drive out in the middle of nowhere, leave everything in the car, walk 250m away and have an actual convo
<kris_>
and xmpp is kinda shitty
<midfavila>
of course if you go full schizo you could have microphones in the seams of your clothes
<kris_>
..i've actually had that thought a few times.
<midfavila>
so you should probably use ASL just to be safe
<kris_>
i'll just compile my own clothes ezpz
<midfavila>
i mean you might as well these days
<midfavila>
not like it'll cost much more and you'll get a better run of things
* midfavila
sips
<midfavila>
i'm about at that point
<kris_>
honestly ive been wearing mostly the same clothes since i was 14 or so
<kris_>
i'm a small person and didn't grow much past that so no point in replacing them
<midfavila>
fair
<kris_>
only recently got a bunch of new shirts but i'm one of those goobers that wears pretty much only metal band shirts
<midfavila>
i figure i'll be wearing my current clothes for a while unless i get super jacked or something
<midfavila>
i mean you're in good company
<kris_>
yeah i gotta start hitting the gym, gotta beat the femboy allegations
<midfavila>
i'm the kind of goober that has three identical copies of the same buttoned shirt and nothing else
<kris_>
dude yes
<midfavila>
>three copies of the same pants
<kris_>
at some point i intend on getting like 10 pairs of just black cargo pants and black t shirts with nothing on them
<midfavila>
>three copies of the same shirt
<midfavila>
>eight sets of identical undergarments
<kris_>
it's meta
<midfavila>
>two identical pairs of boots
<midfavila>
yes
<kris_>
eh shoes wise i either wear high top black converse or black timbs
<kris_>
timbs are for when there's snow
<midfavila>
i need to get a new pair of boots actually
<midfavila>
i've settled on solovair. they're cheap enough, easy to get fixed, and good quality for the price
<kris_>
getting my timberland boots was a nightmare
<midfavila>
i'll probably switch to their full grain 11-eye derbies
<kris_>
as i said earlier i'm a small person and i couldnt find any that were small enough
<kris_>
eventually found some womens size ones that fit and ordered them
<midfavila>
check solovair
<midfavila>
they have everything from US3 to like size 14 or 15
<midfavila>
iirc
<kris_>
i'll look the next time i go to get a pair of boots
<midfavila>
yeb
<kris_>
i just also have a thing for everything i wear being just solid black
<kris_>
so that was a bit of a limiting factor
<riteo>
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh just opened my client
<riteo>
kris_: posteo working great
<midfavila>
this is now #fashion riteo
<riteo>
1€/month, no custom domains
<riteo>
crap
<kris_>
yeah custom domain is what im after
<kris_>
gotta have my @kris.sh
<riteo>
oh I see
<midfavila>
if i wore black i would literally die during the summer
<kris_>
im just over selfhosting email honestly
<midfavila>
it already gets up to 50C+
<kris_>
tuta kinda stinks because you can't use third party clients
<riteo>
ye proton and tuta suck
<riteo>
they are only web-based which is honestly, not very based
<kris_>
i was fine with proton until the twitter event
<riteo>
the what
<kris_>
he was sucking up to trump on twitter
<midfavila>
apparently the ceo sucks up to- yeah
<kris_>
and then defending it and gaslighting people on reddit
* riteo
*skull*
<kris_>
and its kinda like okay you're a braindead techbro
<kris_>
im out
<midfavila>
i mean
<midfavila>
the writing was on the wall tbf
<midfavila>
i should probably look at self-hosting
<midfavila>
i've been meaning to lease a vps from sdf anyway
<kris_>
some of them are based, some of them are not
<midfavila>
did you see the one where he shows off his tree farm
<kris_>
let'
<kris_>
let's see what happens if i punch this tree*
<midfavila>
:V
<midfavila>
aaaaaaaaaa fuck
<kris_>
i'm not a fan of debian so this script is a nogo for me until i stop being lazy and "port" it to void
<riteo>
oh no luke smith
<midfavila>
yeah debian is weh
<kris_>
i still have one debian install around hosting my searxng unfortunately
<midfavila>
:gun:
<kris_>
gradually getting rid of that and alpine
<kris_>
i have a lot of installs
<riteo>
wait why no alpine
<midfavila>
replace them all with kiss
<kris_>
riteo i don't want to stir shit up but i'm not confident in alpine
<riteo>
you stirred it when you said no alpine :P
<riteo>
I'm curious now
<kris_>
the packaging is kinda low quality and i've had systems break on update too many times because something slipped under the radar despite it being a stable release
<kris_>
and i **really** do not like openrc
<kris_>
as for debian the packaging is just outright low quality
<riteo>
that's interesting
<kris_>
everything i actually care about and/or needs to be stable long term i keep on void
<riteo>
and what do you use for servers then
<riteo>
void?
<kris_>
ye
<riteo>
I see
<kris_>
for networking stuff i use a mixture of openbsd and freebsd at the moment
<riteo>
I never really looked into void before
<kris_>
eliminating freebsd in favor of openbsd though
<riteo>
oh it has its own package management system
<kris_>
i could ramble on for hours about amazing decisions the void team has made
<kris_>
the only issue i have with it is that they're still on musl 1.1.24
<kris_>
albeit with like 25 patches lol, its like a weird hybrid 1.1.* and 1.2.5 compatible build
<kris_>
glibc is up to date though if you're cool with using glibc
<riteo>
how do they handle both libs?
<kris_>
separate repos
<riteo>
oh all right
<riteo>
kinda expensive though
<kris_>
they have infra covered :p
<riteo>
who pays
<kris_>
and despite the fact that void is a rolling release you shouldn't expect it to be super up to date
<riteo>
I guess I could try it next time I setup a server
<midfavila>
something something your mom pays
<midfavila>
something something
<riteo>
I wonder how does it handle diskless stuff though
<kris_>
it's really more of a desktop OS
<kris_>
i'm in a bit of a minority using it for servers as well
<kris_>
also, unlike alpine, voids kernel is actually fairly hardened
<riteo>
oh I see
<kris_>
alpine tends to just disable LSMs for no valid reason
<kris_>
on void basically all of them are enabled
<kris_>
just no selinux support
<riteo>
ye that's a bit weird
<kris_>
but yeah despite being a rolling release the focus is really more on stability, and there is no real structure to it
<kris_>
"loosely directed anarchy"
<kris_>
people work on what they wanna work on when they wanna work on it
<riteo>
nice
<riteo>
as it should be
<kris_>
also xbps-src is insane, it's basically its own container solution for building packages
<kris_>
you can treat void like something like gentoo if you'd like to as well, tools for that exist
<riteo>
oh that's a bit like my immaginary distro
<riteo>
damn i should really let it stop being immaginary
<kris_>
ive been thinking about forking kiss to have it build inside of containers
<riteo>
if you have the means and the time, do
<kris_>
id probably end up just building inside of a regular old chroot, serves its purpose to keep the host clean of build deps
<kris_>
right now i'm being filtered by getting a working build of elogind though
<riteo>
how do you install the packages then?
<riteo>
just copy the package cache to the host?
<kris_>
yeah, makes the most sense
<kris_>
every transaction you unpack a prebuilt rootfs tarball with make dependencies already built, so you only have to compile those once unless they're out of date
<kris_>
chroot into it, build there, pull the package out
<kris_>
and then destroy the env
<midfavila>
lookin at grocery prices in vancouver
<midfavila>
found a few nice little bulk places where you just bring your own container for rice or w/e
<midfavila>
but ofc it's like five times the price of a regular store!
<midfavila>
10$ for a kilo of white rice!
<midfavila>
absolute highway robbery
<kris_>
midfavila that's ridiculous
<midfavila>
ikr
<midfavila>
i want to save the planet as much as the next guy, probably more, but like
<midfavila>
i'm not fucking made of money holy shit
<midfavila>
the going rate is 2$ a kilo
<midfavila>
i won't pay a fucking cent more unless there's damn good reason
<midfavila>
and even then 3$ a kilo is the limit
<midfavila>
it's the same deal with oats
<midfavila>
1-2$ a pound, no more
<midfavila>
er
<midfavila>
kilo
<midfavila>
it's really frustrating too because the store i'm looking at otherwise has some okay deals
<midfavila>
but then you see shit like that and it's just aaaaaaaaaaaa
<midfavila>
oh shit it's 0215
<midfavila>
i should sleep
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<riteo>
it's funny that they're actually saving money too probably
<riteo>
like, a huge big bag of rice definitely weighs less than, dunno, 30 boxes of paper with plastic bags inside
<riteo>
so they pay less and you pay more for... less?
<midfavila>
basically
* midfavila
sniffs
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<asimov>
yo yo yo guys
<asimov>
back again in kiss
<riteo>
wahoooooo
<riteo>
welcome back asimov
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