<kris_>
would anyone happen to have recent builds of docbook-xml and docbook-xsl
<sad_plan>
mkiss has both, not sure how recent they are. mkiss isnt really kept up to date anymore. xml is 4.5.1, and xsl is 1.79.2. if that helps you out? :P
<kris_>
yeah i looked at those, honestly not a clue what i'm actually troubleshooting
<sad_plan>
just fetch the .apk file from alpines mirror. which fixes the issue for you C:
<kris_>
sorry, it's sbctl that fails to build
<sad_plan>
ah
<kris_>
not asciidoc or any of its deps
<kris_>
you have got me thinking about pulling the apk for sbctl and isolating the documentation from that though
<sad_plan>
well, sbctl-doc exists aswell :p
<sad_plan>
aswell as sbctl obviously
<kris_>
didn't know alpine shipped *-doc
<sad_plan>
they split most packages infact
<kris_>
i regret not asking about this sooner, this does simplify things a lot
<kris_>
so build sbctl without doc -> pull prebuilt doc from alpine
<sad_plan>
which can be good, but sometimes also terrible if you ask me. number of packages stack up very quickly, and I find that it would not exacly ease maintanership of them. but thats besides the point. its nice for us anyway, that they split the, so we can easily fetch just the missing pieces C:
<sad_plan>
correct
<kris_>
i've had a terrible experience with alpine in general honestly
<kris_>
although i have been referencing their apkbuilds a bit with kiss
<sad_plan>
ask an you shall recieve :p
<kris_>
<3
<sad_plan>
:D
<sad_plan>
alpine is a great reference imo, although they dont really disable as much as we would like, its still a great startingpoint anyhow C:
<kris_>
i'm brand new to the concept of packaging things in general so this has been an adventure
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<kris_>
(especially building systemds efistub the other day)
<kris_>
so building only the efistub file from that project
<sad_plan>
yeah, I get what you mean. I learnt a lot from doing that myself. figuring out why stuff didnt build and so on and so forth.
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<sad_plan>
it was fun though. now I kinda find it somewhat tedious, as builds often break, or bring in new bullshit packages, which I dont really like all that much tbh :p
<kris_>
yeah, i get that
<kris_>
treating this more like a learning experience personally, i may attempt to daily drive kiss at some point but it's kind of unlikely to last
<kris_>
yeah, pulling doc from the apk worked out, lot simpler compared to actually dealing with asciidoc
<sad_plan>
the nice thing about kiss is its what you make of it. so if you find it combersum, find a better solution. although theres always the maintance of everything. which is bothersome at times
<sad_plan>
nice
<kris_>
once i figure everything out, this is the simplest way to get what i'm after actually
<kris_>
maintaining packages is a lot of effort though- we'll see.
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<sad_plan>
yeah. not everyone is super strict about having everything up to date all the time. sometimes is easier to just be somewhat more relaxed about it
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<kris_>
meh, things go a lot smoother if i don't fight with certain things like asciidoc
<sad_plan>
work smart, not hard C:
<kris_>
it is unbelievably fortunate that alpine splits off doc packages
<sad_plan>
yep. they do so with headers/libs aswell. although most of them is just called devel. which most of the time is just headers and static libs. most packages depends on their own shared libs, so those are mostly included in the package itself. unless it depends on the devel package.
<sad_plan>
it seems to differ from package to package really
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<midfavila>
kris_ cus the economy is imploding in realtime lol
<kris_>
oh is it
<midfavila>
yes :v
<kris_>
what's going on that makes you say that
<kris_>
i don't really ever get news
<sad_plan>
everything is getting more expensive, while salaries stay the same. our purchasing power gets slamdunked into the ground so to speak
<kris_>
yeah, the "in realtime" thing makes me think something new is happening from the last time midfavila and i spoke
<sad_plan>
well, no. nothing new. this has been evolving for years now :p
<sad_plan>
gradually chipping away our purchasing power. making the rich richer, and the poor poorer
<midfavila>
kris_ canada usa trade war
<midfavila>
threatening to pop the housing bubble
<midfavila>
if that happens eceryone'll be on the streets
<midfavila>
but also yes sadplan is right
<kris_>
honestly at this point i'm hoping europe starts taking in people as refugees
<kris_>
yeah i get that, capitalism hours
<midfavila>
salaries are like 20-30% of what they were fifty years ago
<midfavila>
in 1973 the median salary in britain was 13400gbp
<kris_>
weechat packaged :salute:
<midfavila>
thats ~230k gbp in todays money
<kris_>
and yeah salaries have not scaled
<kris_>
it's hard for me to complain when i can't get one at all though lol
<midfavila>
afaik the average briton doesnt make 230k gbp
<kris_>
absolutely not
<kris_>
100k there is a shit ton
<midfavila>
also housing has like
<midfavila>
exploded
<midfavila>
you used to be able to pay off a nice house in a major city with a few years salary
<midfavila>
now some people in canada are getting multifenerational mortgages
<midfavila>
multigenerational
<midfavila>
median salary is ~40k cad, median house price is ~750k
<midfavila>
math doesnt work
<kris_>
i mean, they don't want you doing said math
<sad_plan>
it doesnt need to add up. they only need to make money. your quality of life isnt taken into calculation :p
<kris_>
maybe we'll eventually get to the point of a civil war of sorts
<kris_>
and then try not to fuck it up this time
<sad_plan>
maybe not shoot the president trying to unfuck everything is a good standingpoint. pointing at kennedy here. he was going to undo the federal reserve. which is belived to be why he got assassinated
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<midfavila>
so
<midfavila>
guess who might have to move
<midfavila>
again
* midfavila
grins in pain
<midfavila>
i made the foolish mistake of assuming a population centre would have a good market for IT
<midfavila>
there's like three entry/junior IT jobs in all of saskatoon
<midfavila>
ngl i honestly might just see if i can get a room in a workhouse and just spend the weeks in the capitol and come back on the weekend
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<kris_>
midfavila yeah there isn't shit for IT jobs anywhere right onw
<kris_>
now*
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<sad_plan>
aw man, dont be like that. here I am conteplating going back to school, so that I can study something IT related
<sad_plan>
not that im in NA though
<kris_>
sad_plan if you're in EU i've heard that it's a lot better off than it is here
<kris_>
i don't want to discourage you- the thing ive been hearing is that network engineering is one of the few categories of IT that are worthwhile at the moment
<kris_>
requires you to be onsite though
<sad_plan>
im in eu, correct. hm, Im not sure thats covered by the ones im trying to choose between. but in any case, ive been hearing different things where I live. some say its completety dead. noone gets jobs. people even get fired. not sure I can trust this guy though. dad keeps saying theres LOTS of jobs to be had, and more to come, because of development. everything is going into the IT field, so its
<sad_plan>
just growing
<sad_plan>
currently im working in a factory, so im onsite anyway. so that wont change much :p
<kris_>
just speaking from personal experience, i graduated from uni back in 2022 and have been applying for entry level IT since then
<sad_plan>
it would be nice to be able to work from home though
<kris_>
ive only managed to get one interview
<sad_plan>
or anywhere really would be even better
<kris_>
yeah factory work sounds like a good bit of effort
<sad_plan>
yeah, the everlasting circe of cant get a job because no experience, cant get experience because cant get a job
<kris_>
at the moment i don't have a job, shit's difficult with no car
<sad_plan>
my job is pretty chill actually. i learnt most of what I know about linux while at work :p
<kris_>
and i'm rather limited because my ankles are too wrecked for me to do a job that requires a lot of standing or walking around
<sad_plan>
I see
<sad_plan>
so no walking around too much for you then I guess?
<kris_>
yeah, i worked at a retail store for a bit a few months ago and ended up in the hospital
<kris_>
soley because of having to stand 24/7
<sad_plan>
damn
<sad_plan>
thats rough
<kris_>
it happens
<sad_plan>
I suppose so
<kris_>
anyway, i wish you luck
<kris_>
right now my plan personally is to try and brush up everything on my github and apply for a linux CSE job @ amazon since i know a handful of people who do the same job there
<kris_>
WFH
<sad_plan>
thanks. I have to apply within late april. still trying to figure out the difference between the 3 that im considering. the describtions are.. not precise..
<sad_plan>
nice
<kris_>
ask for details in the interviews i guess
<sad_plan>
as they say, its not what you know, its who you know
<sad_plan>
good luck with that though C:
<kris_>
yeah, knowing someone that can pull strings is more or less the only way to get things going in the US at the moment
<kris_>
some people i know in germany/austria/poland have had good luck with getting IT jobs within a few weeks of starting to apply
<kris_>
so *imo* your chances are pretty solid
<sad_plan>
hm, sounds motivating atleast. the only thing I find rather annoying is that it would take me 4 fucking years. because I would have to do it parttime, because I have to work on the side. or rather the other way around. go to school on the side
<kris_>
sounds like a lot of effort
<sad_plan>
I have a friend who does the same. athough he doesnt have a chill job that I have. he runs his own business too. so he has to manage all of that, on top of going ot school a few days a week or something
<sad_plan>
I can do most things while at work. atleast thats what I would expect to be able to
<sad_plan>
but yes, it can be a lot of effort
<sad_plan>
kinda wish I just went with IT from the start
<kris_>
i'm considering falling back to drafting personally
<kris_>
and/or surveying
<kris_>
^ surveying assuming it's possible for something to actually be done about my ankle
<sad_plan>
what does those entail really?
<kris_>
drafting is basically just drawing technical drawings with CAD software for stuff like machinery
<sad_plan>
ah, got it
<kris_>
took 3 years of courses on that a few years ago so it's still a possible fallback
<sad_plan>
nice
<sad_plan>
always good to have something to fall back on
<kris_>
surveying is more or less just exploring and getting paid for it IMHO but in more detail you're generally making sure property borders and stuff are what they're supposed to be in-person
<sad_plan>
gotcha. figured it had something to do with landscapes of sorts :p
<kris_>
it's a little lame here though because there's no interesting geography
<kris_>
no mountains or anything to properly explore
<kris_>
so what do you do in the factory?
<sad_plan>
hm, I see. sounds depressing
<sad_plan>
I work at a paper factory, where we create calandrated paper, meaning shiny paper, magazine paper basically. I work at the station where we make the paper shiny, so basically what I do is make sure the machines is running optmially. which it does most of the time. we do have to change rolls every so often though. we just switched roll on one side, which should run for another 90 or so minutes,
<sad_plan>
before its emtpy :p
<sad_plan>
not sure how much details you were after here really. I use cranes at work to move the rolls around, seeing as they weigh ~30 tons each :p
<kris_>
honestly that seems kinda cool
<kris_>
lot of downtime and i imagine it's not super physical
<kris_>
honestly i'd never really thought about how magazine paper got shiny
<sad_plan>
its fine I suppose. its sortof a zombie job. it doesnt challenge me in any way. usually its not super physical, but sometimes we get webbreaks, and we could be out trying to get the machine run for hours on end. its really hot outside in the machinehall, which takes its toll
<sad_plan>
sure. the principle is rather easy. we run the paper through a stack of sylinders. sideways that is, so tha paper is pressed between them. then we apply heat and steam to smoooth out the paper. its kinda like ironing your clothers
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<sad_plan>
kris_: you should check out 'how its made'. its a show from some years ago where they showcased how a lot of things are made. which atleast sometimes is rather interesting :p
<kris_>
i like the huggbees "how it's actually made" videos
<sad_plan>
it used to run on discovery channel here. dunno where else it runs, or where its available anymore though
<sad_plan>
never seen those. nice
<kris_>
oh they're entirely just a joke
<kris_>
he takes how it's made footage and turns it into something funny
<sad_plan>
sounds awesome. gotta look that up
<sad_plan>
hah, theres a whole playlist of that stuff
<kris_>
i think the beer one is my favorite
<sad_plan>
nice. im downloading the whole playlist as we speak :p
<sad_plan>
luckily youtube didnt mess this up this time. youtube been really doing its job trying to prevent yt-dlp, piped and invidious from working
<kris_>
been a long time since ive thought about downloading stuff from youtube lol
<kris_>
takes me back to the mp3 player times
<sad_plan>
I torrent stuff all the time. I outright refuse to pay for netflix and shit :p I mean, why would I when I can get it all for free, and even with better quality? :P
<kris_>
oh i don't pay for any media at all
<kris_>
private trackers + ripping FLACs from services with questionable DRM
<sad_plan>
only media I payfor, sometimes, is bandcamp. seeing as I like to support some of the artists I enjoy
<kris_>
yeah if an artist is like, super small, i'll buy their music on bandcamp
<kris_>
ive only done that once though with a band called "Wet Bandits"
<sad_plan>
ive considered private trackers before, but I dread the fact that I would have to uphold a positve ratio
<kris_>
bought their discog, worth
<kris_>
upholding a positive ratio isn't thaat bad
<sad_plan>
I see. i buy a lot of stuff there infact :p
<kris_>
it's more about seed time compared to ratio, at least with the ones i use most stuff is freeleech
<sad_plan>
perhaps not
<kris_>
so the only bandwidth that counts is upload, no download is added to your ratio
<kris_>
but you still have to seed for XYZ amount of days depending on your rank
<sad_plan>
I try to seed as much as I can, but I cant have my desktop running all day at all hours
<sad_plan>
I would if I could though :p
<kris_>
i just have a VM on my server that keeps rtorrent going in a tmux session
<kris_>
which i still need to sort out because rtorrent is probably the least stable software i've ever used
<kris_>
i usually check daily to see if it's still running
<sad_plan>
if its freeleech, its simple. its more of the more serious ones thats.. less than ideal
<sad_plan>
I get that you should be sharing, but sometimes torrents are overseeded
<kris_>
the more serious ones are weird anyway in the sense that they usually require you to give them your real IP address and otherwise
<kris_>
oh if you port forward on TL at least you're gonna get terabytes of upload monthly
<kris_>
IPT is the same way
<sad_plan>
I see
<sad_plan>
I dont get the advantages though, outside of perhaps speeds
<kris_>
moderation and quality standards
<sad_plan>
the content usually gets added elsewhere anyway
<sad_plan>
well, if you use reputable sites/uploaders, does that even matter?
<kris_>
once you get into the more serious / niche private trackers you also get *more* content
<kris_>
and lose the need for a vpn
<sad_plan>
I see
<kris_>
(or proxy)
<sad_plan>
I do hate that some torrents takes ages to download though, because theres like 200 peers, and 0 seeds..
<kris_>
yeah it's nice when everyone is required to seed
<kris_>
i usually pull my full gigabit download for everything i download
<sad_plan>
yes. I configured qbitt to be anti-leech. if ou dont seed, you dont really get anything :p
<sad_plan>
damn
<kris_>
i hopped from qbit after the last vuln they had honestly
<sad_plan>
Im terribly happy if I get a few megs
<kris_>
that's the issue with public trackers yeah
<kris_>
when people aren't required to seed they generally don't
<phinxy>
rtorrent with ipv6 enabled wouldnt connect to ipv4 peers at all, on TL for me
<sad_plan>
I started using ddl some time ago for ps4 fake pacakges, and stubmled upon the fuckingfast site. I now get ~50MB, which im stocked about :p
<kris_>
i have ipv6 disabled network wide so dunno on that one phinxy
<kris_>
i'm one of those insane individuals who loves NAT
<phinxy>
I pay $50 year for a ipv4 address on AWS, cant bother to get the mail server working with ipv6 only
<kris_>
i think i pay like 50 cents per month usd for my ipv4 on my VPS for my mail server
<kris_>
via hetzner
<kris_>
sad_plan DDL is cool but i just love p2p
<sad_plan>
I get that. but sometimes ddl is faster, and you dont have to worry about having to seed
<sad_plan>
its more consistent if anything
<kris_>
music is generally DDL for me
<kris_>
i don't love torrents for music because i download just such an irrational amount of it
<kris_>
plus id like things to be consistently CD quality flacs instead of "aw, this is 320kbps" or otherwise
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<sad_plan>
im guessing you already know of soulseek then? :p if not, you should for sure check it out
<kris_>
heard of it, not super clear on what it is
<sad_plan>
p2p client to download music
<sad_plan>
its rather easy to use. just search for what you want, say 2032 - house burning down, which is an album. youll get a list. click one, and youd be in someones directory on theyr computer. download the songs you want, or whole album. you can also request access or w/e it was called, which means you can then navigate their filesystem to browser for more song
<sad_plan>
s
<sad_plan>
I only have it on my phone, but it worked decently.
<sad_plan>
I managed to download the early albums of the society of invisibles, which were no longer available. even emailed one of the artists. he couldnt help me :p
<kris_>
id be more inclined to upload compare to download
<kris_>
s/compare/compared
<kris_>
i use a python script called streamrip to pull flacs from various places, ensures consistency
<sad_plan>
theres no upload here. you just open the program, and set that youd also like to share, some users will ban you otherwise
<kris_>
no need to use a spectral analysis tool to make sure it's actually quality
<sad_plan>
gotbletu made a video about one of the clients. think its called nicotine or something
<kris_>
yeah ive heard of nicotine
<sad_plan>
and where exacly do you pull your flacs from?
<kris_>
deezer and qobuz
<sad_plan>
ah. I too pull from deezer at times with an app I got
<midfavila>
sad_plan: i can only speak to NA
<midfavila>
the problem with IT in NA rn is that the industry has been in a line-goes-up mentality for years and years and years
<midfavila>
always hiring for the future
<midfavila>
and then covid happened
<midfavila>
and all of the people that could be let go were
<midfavila>
and now companies have found out that it's totally possible to operate with a skeleton crew in IT and even if you get worse results it's much cheaper
<midfavila>
so a lot of those jobs that used to exist are gone now
<midfavila>
that, or they've been outsourced
<midfavila>
bc of lower labour costs
<midfavila>
also, issue specific to canada: most of our jobs are in major metros, but the median rent in most major metros is close to or over 100% of the median salary
<sad_plan>
thats not unique to the IT industry. its like that in a lot of places really. atleast thats how I have the impression of it being. from reading posts, videos w/e
<midfavila>
yeah it's not unique
<sad_plan>
but sure, maybe the IT industri is specifically affected by this
<midfavila>
it's just hitting IT really hard in canada
<sad_plan>
especially might be the better word here
<midfavila>
because our other major industries are difficult to outsource
<sad_plan>
its almost wierd how they havent figured a way to do it. like everywhere really
<sad_plan>
companies dont care for anything but profit, so paying me a high salary to just sit on my arse all day, doesnt make much sense to me
<midfavila>
idk man letting a few shitheads on wall street own everything and then guilt people into working shit jobs for shit pay and then structuring an entire economy around that doesn't make sense either but here we are
<midfavila>
and unlike in developed countries canada doesn't have public university so it's not like people can even be expected to go back to school and start a new career
<midfavila>
not unless they feel like taking out 30kCAD+ that they might not be able to ever pay back
<sad_plan>
touche
<sad_plan>
that actually makes things even worse. cause if an industry just gets fucked, and everyone is layd off, theyr screwed