WhyNotHugo has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
zlg has joined #kisslinux
WhyNotHugo has joined #kisslinux
zlg has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
<dilyn>
... and after many hours, I've noticed hyprland requires libxcursor. when it has its own cursor lib. so hyprland hard-requires x libs... wtf? why for? smdh
<dilyn>
time to retire. and die.
progenyx has joined #kisslinux
progenyx has quit [Quit: progenyx]
phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
phinxy has joined #kisslinux
asimov has joined #kisslinux
<asimov>
riteo: your discoveries from xdg portals has something to do with my problems?
asimov has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
<sewn>
riteo: I don't question no xdg portald
<sewn>
I install this shit and it just works
<sewn>
asimov: men ur problem is pipeiwrr not portal or whateva
dilyn has quit [Quit: Client closed]
asimov has joined #kisslinux
<asimov>
sewn: you used dbus-wrap script to make screencasting
<sewn>
no u didnt
<sewn>
I mean I didnt
<sewn>
I just install dbus and it works
<asimov>
also i think the problem may be the way i launched pipewire
<sewn>
no it isnt
<sewn>
if it were then it wouldn't work for me
<asimov>
how you launched it?
<sewn>
dbus-wrap is a script by git-bruh to sandbox dbus
<sewn>
asimov: `pipewire`
<asimov>
and pipewire-pulse?
<sewn>
no
<asimov>
then is not the same
<sewn>
you don't need pulse for screensharing
<sewn>
asimov: it is the same generally_
<asimov>
but your flatpak is getting mic working?
<asimov>
because withou pipewire pulse it cant
<sewn>
thats besides the point
<midfavila>
dilyn this is why i just use X
<midfavila>
wayland is a PITA
<midfavila>
full stop
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
"rust
<midfavila>
oh what the fuck why did my work machine set its keyboard to multilingual canadian
<midfavila>
this is a en_us household
<midfavila>
the only time ive ever even seen a CMS keyboard is in new brunswick public libraries
<midfavila>
>tfw
<midfavila>
there we go now i can do my meme arrows
stilbruch has joined #kisslinux
stilbruch has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
asimov has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
fultilt has joined #kisslinux
<riteo>
sewn: oh all right I remembered wrong
<sewn>
midfavila: mid shut up asimov is the only person having this issue
<sewn>
quite literally the only person
<riteo>
well if you ever use xdg-document-portal (for file dialogs) and see weird issues make sure to update
<riteo>
because its FUSE driver was making my computer do the poopoo in its pants
<riteo>
midfavila: speak for yourself
<riteo>
sway is in C and super comfy
<riteo>
I also don't need 435893414139084 packages in order to build by display server
<riteo>
just like, wlroots is the main lib and that's it, no libXsomethingsomething
<midfavila>
sewn never
<midfavila>
the pot must be stirred
<midfavila>
>:3c
<sewn>
Dissapoint
<midfavila>
ten more years and im sure i'll be btfo'd
<midfavila>
:P
<midfavila>
also tbf to actually *use* wayland you do need like
<midfavila>
all of gtk and/or qt
<sewn>
no??
<midfavila>
or i suppose you could get away with sdl for some things
<sewn>
I've actually never had to install gtk or at unless I'm using a browser
<sewn>
its just for the browser
<midfavila>
and how much do you do in the browser that you could do without gtk/qt?
<midfavila>
legitimate question
<sewn>
god knows
<sewn>
the browser is a beast
<midfavila>
precisely
<midfavila>
when it's an essential part of your workflow you can't really dismiss it
<midfavila>
just looking at build reqs and dismissing everything else is a bit silly
<midfavila>
you have to consider the total stack
<sewn>
okay
<midfavila>
a couple of support libs to build an X server really isn't an issue considering what you can get done without all the crap wayland effectively necessitates. ionno.
* midfavila
dies
<midfavila>
computers bad
<sewn>
humans worse
<midfavila>
good thing im neither
<sewn>
Yeah sure Buddy Ol Pal
<midfavila>
its established lore
<sewn>
ok goat go eat some grass
<midfavila>
snow unfortunately
<riteo>
I mean nothing stops you to use big toolkits
<riteo>
and most stuff does not use it, like, I don't think my terminal emulator uses any
<riteo>
with X you just have a very tiny toolkit bundled, it's not like having it outside of the display server would make things more bloated
<riteo>
but I think you already acknowledged that
<riteo>
so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<riteo>
happy new year in advance? I'm soon going to have le epic dinner with my family and 100% I'm not going to be able to access my server
<riteo>
inb4 "get a real bouncer" I got a domain I CAN DO ANYTHING NOW, I'm just lazy :P
<midfavila>
just run tmux on sdf
<midfavila>
:3
<riteo>
no
<riteo>
I have a computer constantly running at my home
<midfavila>
aw
<midfavila>
fair
<riteo>
it might not be super pretty as it does not auto-start on power loss but with DDNS I can avoid having a server
<riteo>
isn't that so cool
<midfavila>
it's neat yeah
<midfavila>
i'm going to be setting up DNS and stuff for the first time in january actually
<midfavila>
my boss wants me to start migrating our IT services on-site
<riteo>
btw is there any circuit that could auto-press the power button for me when the power turns back on
<midfavila>
proper-style
<midfavila>
uhhhh
<riteo>
oh cool
<midfavila>
i mean im sure you could tinker something up
<riteo>
DNS is relatively painful
* midfavila
does a big shrug
<midfavila>
not exposing anything to the internet for now
<riteo>
oh I see
<midfavila>
well, except for a VPN, i guess
<riteo>
I mean
<riteo>
the biggest pain point with DNS is propagation
<riteo>
once I got the domain I had to wait like 5 minutes between each change just to see whether it worked
<midfavila>
fair
<riteo>
and apparently not all features are supported by all providers
* midfavila
nod-nods
<midfavila>
i don't think i need anything super complex on that side of things
<midfavila>
main issue is figuring out how to wrangle docker
<midfavila>
incidentally also the first time i've used docker
<midfavila>
bunch of services running on the same machine each in its own container and i'd like to route requests to different containers according to different rules
<riteo>
oh that should not be hard at all
<riteo>
there are like switches for that I'm sure
<midfavila>
yeah i can't imagine it is. i'm just peanutbrained when it comes to anything that's not inetd
<midfavila>
my rejection of modernity finally catches up to me
<riteo>
it's time mid
<riteo>
you have to choose
<midfavila>
being based or being employed
<riteo>
docker or farm
<midfavila>
FUCK
<riteo>
same thing
<midfavila>
i don't want to be CRINGE
<midfavila>
but i need MONEY to not STARVE
<midfavila>
born to compile forced to download binaries
<riteo>
with a farm you won't starve
<midfavila>
idk man saskatchewan is owned by monsanto
<midfavila>
so if i dont buy their stuff they might break my knees
<midfavila>
but i legitimately could buy a farm if i wanted to lmao
<riteo>
you realize we have reached the tipping point when dowloading binaries is harder than building them
<midfavila>
i mean yes
<midfavila>
a long time ago
<midfavila>
with a few exceptions
<midfavila>
my workstation can recompile my entire kiss fork in like five minutes
<midfavila>
less time than it takes to install an equivalent debian
<riteo>
shit maybe rms was right
<riteo>
source code is the way
<midfavila>
meanwhile me still trying to build gcc
* midfavila
cri
<midfavila>
just going to wait to get my PC out in a month or two
<midfavila>
depends on when i get my taxes back
<riteo>
gnu crying collection
<midfavila>
seriously
<riteo>
gnu compiling challenge
<midfavila>
the gnu many pains library
<midfavila>
i dont have anything even remotely clever for mpfr or mpc
<riteo>
what were those
<midfavila>
used in gcc's build process
<midfavila>
multiprecision library for gmp
<midfavila>
uhhh i think mpc is dealing with complex numbers but i'm not sure
<midfavila>
tbh ive never bothered looking into them
<midfavila>
only thing that uses 'em on my machines afaik is gcc