<asimov>
even with they kernel config it wont run in my kiss build
<asimov>
maybe they build something different but what i can see is not
<sad_plan>
not really familiar with pipewire nor screencasting, so im of no help :p
<sad_plan>
still using alsa here C:
<asimov>
yeah lol
<asimov>
i need this shit for working
<asimov>
remote work need screensharing all time
<sad_plan>
I see
<sad_plan>
cant you boot up something like chimera untill then?
<sad_plan>
as a backup atleast :p
<asimov>
gosh no
<asimov>
i tried gentoo for this
<asimov>
but errors again
<asimov>
with glib build
<asimov>
it only builds without introspection on gentoo musl
<asimov>
but firefox need it as a see
<sad_plan>
have you gotten it to work at all? with something besides kiss
<sad_plan>
like on arch.. w/e
<asimov>
i dont like this anymore
<asimov>
the problem is too much bloated
<asimov>
arch is systemd
<asimov>
chimera has initramfs
<asimov>
what is something i dont need anymore
<sad_plan>
well, sure, the idea was if you can get it working *somewhere*, you might be able to figure out a difference
<asimov>
initram just slow the boot up
<asimov>
oh
<sad_plan>
chimera was suprisingly fast actually. artix however is slow
<sad_plan>
atleast for me
<asimov>
you mean screencasting?
<asimov>
i managed to work on gentoo musl
<asimov>
not problems at all
<asimov>
even on alpine i managed to get it working
<sad_plan>
yes, as oposed to keep banging your head against the wall with kiss/gentoo, and not figuring it out
<asimov>
gentoo working great
<sad_plan>
there you go, use alpine as a reference, and see if you can replicate
<asimov>
the problem now is just build stuff on musl
<asimov>
i cant in alpine
<sad_plan>
only gentoo?
<asimov>
different ambients
<asimov>
in alpine i used udev
<asimov>
and pipewire for alpine dont rely in libudev-zero
<asimov>
gentoo the same
<asimov>
udev
<asimov>
i just dont know why some folks here get it easily working on but not me lololo
<sad_plan>
hm
<sad_plan>
well, that happens from time to time. I have different expiernces from laptop to desktop aswell
<asimov>
but why work in alpine and not in kiss?
<asimov>
like gentoo
<asimov>
same kernel options
<sad_plan>
because you done goofed someplace.
<asimov>
just the udev thing
<sad_plan>
then it must be some other config, or buildoption on some pacakge
<asimov>
or riteo and sewn are building other packagesss stuff and just dont tell me what iss
<asimov>
or is making no sense at all
<sad_plan>
I wouldnt know, but im sure you can find some forumpost someplace, or a wikipage which would help you
<asimov>
sadly no
<asimov>
i searched everywhere
<asimov>
kiss is kinda unique
<asimov>
libudev-zero
<asimov>
mdev only
<asimov>
moun in the future
<asimov>
thats what i love in kiss but is that what i hate sometimes lol
<asimov>
cause is getting too much issues
<asimov>
and no good wiki for it
<sad_plan>
thats the pain of minimalism and niche software
<asimov>
yeah
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<midfavila>
i would argue that it's not a pain point of kiss but the pain of everything else being complete crap
<midfavila>
something something no measure of health something something
<sad_plan>
midfavila: not gonna argue with that. after using kiss for a long time, i was going to use artix on my old desktop, and was like wtf is this shit
<midfavila>
wait until you use plan 9, sad_plan
<midfavila>
honestly i kind of hate kiss because it gave me a taste of computers that almost don't suck
<sad_plan>
lol, ive been wanting to try it for some time, but I just cant wrap my head around what I would use it for. afaik, it lacks a lot of what I would consider essential
<midfavila>
now i can't use anything else
<sad_plan>
I get that
<midfavila>
like i'll go to debian
<midfavila>
and
<midfavila>
they don't include ed
<midfavila>
but they include fucking VIM
* midfavila
clutches their pearls
<sad_plan>
vim is simply more popular. so I get why they do it
<midfavila>
okay but ed is literally part of posix
<midfavila>
vim is not
<midfavila>
include vi
<midfavila>
debian is morally bankrupt at this point anyway
<sad_plan>
I suppose, if you made a system for a business, where 1/2000 used ed, it might not be reason enough to include ed
<midfavila>
ed is also like .00000000000002kb
<sad_plan>
but yes, ed is part of posix, however not eveyone care for posix
<midfavila>
and useful in scenarios where e.g. your terminal is fucked up
<midfavila>
like
<sad_plan>
ed is infact 88.0K on my system
<midfavila>
see
<sad_plan>
sbase ed
<midfavila>
this is why i fucking hate "open source"
<midfavila>
it's always business business business
<midfavila>
everything has to be 100% business 100% of the time
<midfavila>
you can't just make something that doesn't suck ass
<sad_plan>
thats where the money is though
<midfavila>
i don't fucking care about money
<midfavila>
i care about not going grey in my twenties
<midfavila>
money is why nobody in my country can afford to eat right now
<sad_plan>
touche
<midfavila>
money is why hundreds of thousands of people around the world constantly have their personal details vacuumed up
<midfavila>
and money is why so-called "open source" is complicit in that shit
<sad_plan>
money is also always the issue, or reason for w/e situation is upon us
<sad_plan>
wether its war of bankruptcy, or famine
<midfavila>
money is the issue because of the economic system we live under prioritising return on investment over literally everything else
<sad_plan>
i know
<midfavila>
and the end result is that everything sucks because nothing is done for simply having a nice thing
<midfavila>
you can't just
<midfavila>
have a thing
<midfavila>
the thing has to make money
<midfavila>
even if that makes The Thing demonstrably worse
<sad_plan>
we have a hospital nearby, which is funded by the goverment, you know, free healthcare and all, for the low low price of taxed to death, and at the end of the year, they have a lot of money left from the budget. I cant help but feel like someone here did not get the full treatment which they might wanted/needed
<sad_plan>
yup
<midfavila>
people overestimate the amount they get taxed
<midfavila>
it's a huge issue here
<midfavila>
everyone bitches about it and it's such a fucking non-issue
<sad_plan>
taxation is theft
<midfavila>
taxation is the price of living in a society
<midfavila>
go live in a hut and do literally everything on your own
<sad_plan>
perhaps, but it doesnt invalidate the fact that its theft. simply by the fact that its involuntary
<midfavila>
even if i agree with that you're presupposing all theft is immoral
<sad_plan>
could probably argue that > go live in the woods
<midfavila>
i disagree
<midfavila>
theft is moral in many cases
<sad_plan>
but shit, its taxes or other fees there too
<sad_plan>
im only arguing wether tax is theft or not. not wether or not its immoral
<midfavila>
morality is kind of the thing that matters
<midfavila>
whether it's theft or not is irrelevant
<midfavila>
i don't consent to people filling the air with pollution
<midfavila>
it shortens my lifespan and makes me miserable
<sad_plan>
its only theft, by the simple fact that its involuntary. the goverment will threaten you with jail if you dont submit.
<midfavila>
and companies will jack up prices and monopolise markets so you're forced to buy from them
<midfavila>
that might as well be theft too
<midfavila>
except in that case the threat is often
<midfavila>
you know
<midfavila>
death
<midfavila>
by starvation or exposure
<sad_plan>
I suppose shorting your life because of profit could be viewed as theft aswell
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
the whole tax is theft narrative literally only benefits the ruling class
<midfavila>
even if you pay 50% of your income in tax, as long as services are provided well using that money and everyone's needs are met, there's nothing wrong with that.
<midfavila>
ideally income tax on wages wouldn't exist, though
<midfavila>
land-value and corporate tax are more than sufficient
<midfavila>
not to mention profit from nationalised industries
<midfavila>
but god forbid we do anything in the public sector, that's heckin' commienisms
<midfavila>
so yeah in conclusion even if tax is theft, good. based. sick. one might even say tight and/or government-pilled.
<midfavila>
tax me harder daddy.
<midfavila>
i need a fucking coffee
<sad_plan>
how does taxation is theft narative benefit the rich exacly?
<midfavila>
because they didn't get rich by paying taxes
<sad_plan>
oh ffs. I just tested speaker-test, to doublecheck if I specified the correct card/device. I did not. got the test working. switched back to oakiss, -- no damn sound
<midfavila>
if they can convince a bunch of libertarians that the Government:tm: is the bad guy and tax is bad then they'll go out and lobby the government to, ofc, cut taxes
<sad_plan>
I get that, but if they still dont have to pay taxes, how would that make a difference?
<midfavila>
because what we should be doing is lobbying for tax reform to close loopholes and prevent the rich from becoming as such in the first place
<midfavila>
nobody earns tens of millions of dollars off of merit
<sad_plan>
right
<midfavila>
that's complete bunkum
<sad_plan>
evening the odds basically. the riches is so terribly scewed atm
<midfavila>
it's all chaff, is what i'm saying
<midfavila>
yeah income inequality is obscene right now.
<sad_plan>
some people have so much that they cant even spend it. while the rest cant even put food on the table
<midfavila>
even if you pull the 'umm ackchooully sweaty their wealth is in illiquid assets' card that's still bullshit
<midfavila>
because they either a) get returns or b) can liquidate it
<midfavila>
and those returns they get are just the excess value produced by the employees of a given firm
<midfavila>
so you wanna talk about theft, profit is theft mores othan tax
<midfavila>
investors don't earn shit
<sad_plan>
not gonna argue about that. theres theft in several forms in our society. tax is just one of them
<midfavila>
okay but stating facts in a vacuum is a waste of time
<midfavila>
nobody actually cares about whether tax is theft on an abstract level
<midfavila>
the question is one of morality
<sad_plan>
probably not, but I still find joy in pointing it out to people, because some people are somewhat baffled by the whole deal, or just straight up denies it
<midfavila>
well unless you're going to have an actual conversation about it you probably shouldn't
<midfavila>
because you're just wasting people's time
<midfavila>
sorry not sorry
<sad_plan>
im having fun, so profit for me in any case
<midfavila>
god i hope the UAW general strike in 2028 happens
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<asimov>
is there anyone here how just build kiss from repo and community?
<asimov>
without any changes
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<dth0x>
yes me
<asimov>
can you test if kiss-dbus get screensharing in flatpak firefox or ungoogled chromium?
<asimov>
i wanna see if is just me or am i crazy
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* dth0x
noob still compiling xorg-server since yesterday
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<riteo>
I swear asimov screensharing is the best plot arch of #kisslinux rn
<riteo>
I really wanna see them win just for their sheer dedication
<riteo>
asimov you can do it, I believe in you
<sewn>
riteo: he's refusing to report his actual problem
<sewn>
his pipewire is broken
<sewn>
with logs
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<asimov>
sewn: i actually make a issue in their gitlab
<asimov>
know i thinking if acpid can the a problem in this
<asimov>
i dont even run it
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<sewn>
don't forget the irc
<sewn>
which brings attention
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<asimov>
sewn: yeah i sended in the irc too but no answers
<sewn>
its truly over
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<asimov>
no
<asimov>
i just need someone who has builded kiss in the same exact way i did
<asimov>
and test it
<asimov>
if works thats a problem with my computer
<asimov>
if not works then something is missing
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<asimov>
dth0x: are you online?
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<sad_plan>
finally a reasonable usecase for a server. transfering a new album from phone to laptop. because I cant rsync to laptop from phone when tethering
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<riteo>
asimov: please be patient; many people are enjoying their holidays
<riteo>
asoijasdfhadsfoasdhfasdoifhasfoiih they quit this exact moment