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<riteo>
soju + senpai = comfy
<riteo>
except when you want an encrypted local setup >:[
<riteo>
why the hell is TLS the only solution here for encryption
<sad_plan>
riteo: for sure. I used it on pico.sh, and senpai at the very least is very comfy
<sad_plan>
whats wrong with tls?
<riteo>
it's not built with local networks in mind really
<riteo>
I need a new root of trust and sign shit there, that or a self-signed certificate
<riteo>
both suck and now that shit's expired I also forgot the openssl commands to do that :facepalm:
<sad_plan>
maybe not. I would be using both local and remote though. not sure if this makes things better or worse :p
<riteo>
remote means you'll have (probably) a domain name
<riteo>
that means you're fine
<sad_plan>
well, it would just be a rpi at my house, and ill be at work connecting to the bouncer
<riteo>
directly through IP?
<riteo>
I hope I'm missing something but it looks like if you wanna make a cert for a local hostname you have to make a whole new root of trust /or/ self signed certs which I don't think are trusted either by default
<riteo>
which is annoying as that means copying stuff into some system dir I forgot for every machine you want
<riteo>
I have no idea if there are alternatives but it really feels like senpai and soju are designed more for public-facing servers than lil local ones
<riteo>
and I mean I don't blame them
<sad_plan>
I suppose so, yes. I am considering using ssh tunneling instead, not sure whats least inconvinent tbh
<riteo>
I mean if you use ssh tunneling and not ssh directly I guess you could offset that yeah
<sad_plan>
I suppose so
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<midfavila>
strikes a good balance between the more mainstream design and cost-to-performance ratio of the framework and the being-actually-well-designed factor of the mnt reform
<midfavila>
700USD for a 32GB eight-core ARM machine with (presumably on launch or maybe rn in a github?) open schematics and a decent display and stuff
<midfavila>
it's much more laptop-y
<midfavila>
i'm hoping they produce a cm4 adapter since that seems to be an emerging de facto standard for a lot of open projects
<midfavila>
ala SoMs
<midfavila>
schems on their website and BoM for the SoM. nice.
<midfavila>
honestly this is a super great project if they can deliver on it as is. it's low cost and reasonably performant, with a more off-the-shelf look and feel, without (seemingly) compromising on its principles in a significant manner...
<sad_plan>
neat
<sad_plan>
honestly, this would probably be much more appealing to the masses than mnt reform, atleast speaking from formfactor pov. when you shop a laptop, its supposed to be portable, lightweight and easy to carry. I dont see the reform gaining too many points there :p
<sad_plan>
I think I could see myself using this laptop tbh
<midfavila>
idk reform is plenty portable
<midfavila>
unless youre judging by like a backpack laptop slot in which case mmmnmhm
<midfavila>
but yeah
<midfavila>
that one is definitely more conventional
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<sad_plan>
perhaps im judgemental to its formfactor. seeing how thick it is. how much does it weigh even?
<midfavila>
like maye 4lbs
<midfavila>
maybe*
<midfavila>
maybe
<midfavila>
ig if youre a biceplet that could be an issue but i take it to work on my bike in a messenger bag and honestly my bike lock is heavier
<midfavila>
significantly so
<sad_plan>
4lbs isnt *that* bad. I mean, it could be double that
<sad_plan>
tbh, my acer laptop probably isnt that much lighter
<midfavila>
4lbs is pretty good
<midfavila>
i think the uconsole approaches a pound
<midfavila>
just handfeeling it
<sad_plan>
I havent weighed mine, but 4lbs doesnt sound too bad for such a thick laptop
<midfavila>
so ye
<sad_plan>
damn
<midfavila>
tbf tho the uconsole is a brick
<midfavila>
gonna be even moreso once i cram 4 more batteries in there
<midfavila>
21Ah here we come >:3c
<sad_plan>
a forum post says uconsole weighs ~450g
<midfavila>
454==1lb
<midfavila>
so right on the money
<sad_plan>
which is.. probably 4x ish the regular phone weight
<sad_plan>
yep
<sad_plan>
how many batteries doest it come with? 2?
<midfavila>
yeb
<midfavila>
2 18650 lipos in parallel
<sad_plan>
neat
<midfavila>
someone on the forum modified the battery board to have four more terminals
<midfavila>
i already get a full day out of the uconsole on a single charge
<midfavila>
with the screen on all day
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<sad_plan>
not too bad. even on regular phones, that can be tough
<midfavila>
yeb
<midfavila>
also keep in mind that it runs a full fat ubuntu
<midfavila>
so sysd/networkman/modemman/pulse/etc are all running too
<sad_plan>
yeah, it could probably run somewhat leaner if it ran something less than full fledged ubuntu
<midfavila>
a leaner, better-optimised image with proper suspend support would probably fare a lil better
<midfavila>
ye
<sad_plan>
yep
<midfavila>
im hoping to get back to fiddling with it soon
<sad_plan>
yeah
<midfavila>
i wanna rebuild the base image from source, then try to get a plain debian
<midfavila>
once i can do that i'll have the build down plus all the essentials from clockwork isolated
<midfavila>
after that gonna experiment with alpine
<midfavila>
if alpine can run, anything can
<midfavila>
that means a kiss image and then work starts on curses programs
<midfavila>
at some point id like to write a library that abstracts over xaw/curses/etc and just use that
<midfavila>
present a simplified interface for creating CUA programs for either toolkit
<sad_plan>
I was going to say alpine doesnt provide riscv rootfs's, or isos, but then I saw it
<sad_plan>
its only a mini rootfs though, not isos
<sad_plan>
but yes, if alpine runs, most other things should for sure run
<midfavila>
the build process for the r01 image calls for a rootfs only
<sad_plan>
why? is this a riscv thing or a uconsole thing or..?
<midfavila>
basically entails creating a raw disk image, partitioning and formatting it, injecting the spl and uboot into the first 32m,
<midfavila>
then installing grub (and syslinux???) onto the boot partition and pointing that at the rootfs
<midfavila>
its a uconsole thing i think
<sad_plan>
I see
<midfavila>
its weird
<sad_plan>
yeah
<midfavila>
they dont have good docs at all
<sad_plan>
hopefully itll come once riscv gets a better foothold
<midfavila>
it wont
<midfavila>
i think the r01 was intended mostly as a novelty
<midfavila>
which sucks because its a great som
<midfavila>
add emmc to it and id be cheesed
<midfavila>
even moreso if you replaced the sd slot with a CF one
<midfavila>
or had both
<sad_plan>
whats so good about emmc? ive always found it restricting
<sad_plan>
CF?
<midfavila>
not needing an sd card to boot off of
<midfavila>
compactflash
<sad_plan>
well, sure thats an advantage.
<sad_plan>
whats that?
<midfavila>
basically miniaturised IDE
<midfavila>
used in cameras a lot
<sad_plan>
hm
<midfavila>
old iPods used it for their 1.8" HDDs
<midfavila>
some industrial machines use it as primary storage instead of a full size disk
<sad_plan>
I see
<sad_plan>
got it
<sad_plan>
its smol
<midfavila>
smol, cheap, easy to support
<sad_plan>
and more reliable than sdcards aswell?
<midfavila>
fits with the retrofuture aesthetic
<midfavila>
less of a bitch to get in and out
<midfavila>
afaik yes
<sad_plan>
nice
<midfavila>
since most CFs are used in cameras etc
<sad_plan>
sdcards and usbsticks are horrendiously unreliable for storage initially
<midfavila>
im sure high performance SD cards are competitive but i honestly dont know
<sad_plan>
i think I remember those now that you mention it. i think my dad had one of them in a digital camera. unless someone else in the family had it
<midfavila>
yeah i need to set up a script to sync my homedirs between my lappy and uconsole
<sad_plan>
yeah, im hoping to get an sdcard for my pi tomorrow, and a new cable for it, so that I can use it to rsync some stuff myself
<midfavila>
then i need to get plan9port running on the uconsole >w>
<sad_plan>
nice
<midfavila>
i honestly love this lil thing
<sad_plan>
have you tried compiling upstream 9front stuff instead of p9p? some of it should work right ootb
<sad_plan>
rc atleast, or so Ive been told
<midfavila>
ive gotten rc running
<sad_plan>
nice
<midfavila>
ye
<midfavila>
never bothered with the rest
<midfavila>
too focused on spinning up my custom distro
<sad_plan>
I dont really use much of p9 stuff outside of rc. and read from 9base, because of a script I use, which requires read
<sad_plan>
I get that
<midfavila>
still need to figure out X forwarding over TAP interfaces...
<midfavila>
for qemu
<sad_plan>
what will you be forwarding?
<midfavila>
i kinda wanna experiment with ideas from qubes
<sad_plan>
I see. separating things into its own boxes
<midfavila>
where you can spin up a headless alpine to run a given application
<midfavila>
yeah
<sad_plan>
its a good practice security wise
<midfavila>
so if theres stuff you dont trust/dont want corrupting the bodily fluids of your pure distro/etc you can do so easily
<midfavila>
tbh its mostly because i want to use firefox without installing its deps
<sad_plan>
yep. I separate garbage apps on my phone into its own user profile aswell.
<midfavila>
or using regular normie software EUGH
<midfavila>
i WILL use bearssl and NOBODY will stop me
<sad_plan>
could also use conty aswell, which might be a less inconvinent way of doing it
<sad_plan>
but it supports compression, x11, wayland, xwayland, drawfs squashfs
<sad_plan>
its mostly geared torwards gaming it seems, but you can use it for just firefox and other stuff aswell
<midfavila>
bing bing wahoos!?
<sad_plan>
what?
<midfavila>
nvm :P
<midfavila>
conty looks maybe interesting tho
<sad_plan>
yeah. you can also build it yourself pretty easily, so you can include only what you want. which is quite good imo
<sad_plan>
ive not gotten it to work on my setup yet, have no idea why, but oh well
<sad_plan>
maybe this is a tinyx thing. havent tried in velox yet
<midfavila>
tinyx is funky
<sad_plan>
yeah
<midfavila>
i like it though
<midfavila>
id like to work on it once i know more about C and X etc
<sad_plan>
yeah
<midfavila>
ofc id prefer MGR but beggars and choosers
<sad_plan>
mgr?
<midfavila>
ManaGeR
<sad_plan>
ah
<midfavila>
ancient graphics subsystem
<midfavila>
cross platform for unixes
<sad_plan>
yeah, i think i seen it mentioned in the irc logs
<midfavila>
monochrome. basically a supremely advanced terminal multiplexer
<sad_plan>
hm
<midfavila>
network transparent, native integration with termcap
<midfavila>
entire codebase is like 1-200k lines of C (albeit pre KnR)
<midfavila>
including drivers
<midfavila>
has C and ELisp binds
<sad_plan>
I see
<midfavila>
ive gotten it to build and like, *start*
<midfavila>
on KISS
<midfavila>
but never actually run
<midfavila>
if i could get mgr going i would lose my mind
<midfavila>
it feels very unix-y
<sad_plan>
lol
<midfavila>
seriously
<midfavila>
its super clean and lightweight
<sad_plan>
g2g though. time for bed for me
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<midfavila>
rip
<midfavila>
ooh
<midfavila>
conty can be used to isolate build environments maybe...
<midfavila>
hmm
<midfavila>
if a conty-like solution could be retooled to work under tinyx and be further isolated from the host, it could be a compelling improvement over the qemu x11 idea...
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<sad_plan>
midfavila: yep, conty could be a viable alternative to the qmeu x11 idea
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<sad_plan>
ive been testing dtach and abduco for a few days now, and I cant help but feel that its less convinent that just having window groups. a simple keypress to hide/unhide w/e it is you wanna see/dont see. as opposed to having to detach/attach programs.
<sad_plan>
not sure why, but I also have to redraw the terminal, especially catgirl. cmus seems to work fine
<sad_plan>
using tabbed for the terminal could also be an alternative here, maybe even a better one, but wmutils wont properly connect to it if you use $(pfw), as itll try to move/resize the wrong window id