<sad_plan>
that is, unless ilt has changed his mind on this, or the situation has changed
<vova>
Btw
<vova>
bubblewrap or proot for the "isolated" building of package
<sewn>
I MUST do hare kiss
<sad_plan>
rc rc rc rc rc rc rc
<sewn>
you can do that too
<sad_plan>
perhaps
<sewn>
only one more final exam and I can have some time
<sad_plan>
but I need to fix lots of -pedantic-errors errors aswell, atleast thats on my todo list, but I still suck terribly at C, so yeah. its been postponed for now :p
<sad_plan>
nice
<phoebos>
sewn: what do you mean frontend git tracking?
<sewn>
the um
<sewn>
the git. thing
<phoebos>
eek I have a lot of unstaged changes to go through
<phoebos>
handling git sources?
<sewn>
only the README is shown
<sewn>
if you go to Log it just 404s
<sewn>
stagit forgot
<phoebos>
ohh
<vova>
Btw
<vova>
What IRC bouncer do you use
<vova>
I use soju but it misses some messages
<sewn>
I love pico.sh
<sewn>
there is also a bouncer service by delthas too
<phoebos>
ah i need to recompile stagit
<phoebos>
vova: pounce
<vova>
phoebos: thanks
<sewn>
vova: remember that some bouncers work with specific clients
<sewn>
its not like a universal thing
<sewn>
..be sure to report an issue instead of just switching like as if its proprietary software..
<phoebos>
sewn: fixed that now, thanks for noticing
<vova>
The soju / goguma / ergo stack is dog shit
<vova>
Goguma just misses messages, or don't send them, ergo is pretty decent tho, soju is dog shit
<sewn>
what???
<vova>
Speaking of, what IRC client on android ?
<sewn>
I've never even had any of these issue
<sewn>
goguma is the best irc client on android
<vova>
It's dog shit for me
<sewn>
why?
<vova>
Or maybe it's my soju that fucked everythinbg
<sewn>
are you running outdated soju
<sewn>
and outdated goguma
<vova>
0.8.2
<vova>
Goguma I'm using the nightly
<sewn>
goguma has had some issues with tracking and has been fixed for a long time
<sewn>
vova: can you show me a message that was missed
<sewn>
because I'm on soju and goguma too
<vova>
Messages from yesterday when I was speaking with guy about rewriting kiss I missed some of his messages, like I had the notifications about new messages on Goguma, I click the notification, nothing on Goguma
<sewn>
most likely its outdated goguma or your network
<vova>
Do you self host soju ?
<sewn>
they're really great pieces of software I doubt they'd be this broken when its just you having the issue
<sewn>
vova: I used to, and never had these issues
<vova>
Hmm
<vova>
Maybe it's my vps then
<sewn>
vultr?
<vova>
hostzealot
<sewn>
never heard of them
<vova>
For the desktop, what client do you use ?
<vova>
senpai or weechat ?
<sewn>
do I look like a 60 year old man who got divorced
<sewn>
senpai all the way
<sewn>
delthas and simon both are really cool in the irc space and protocols
<vova>
sewn for example I just opened goguma, and look, now I have message from yesterday...
<sewn>
try searching about it in bug reports or in the soju irc channel to help determine where the issue is coming from
<vova>
yeah I'll investigate this
<vova>
OK found it lol
<vova>
it's my traefik
<vova>
it fails to proxy some requests for some reason
<sewn>
of course
<sewn>
this is why I don't deal with complex software
<sewn>
my dream VPS is maddy+soju+kimchi+tlstunnel
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<vova>
sewn: my soju's db was "malformed" corrupted for months, I never checked the logs, that's probably why it was poorly working
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<sewn>
woops lmao
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<midfavila>
vova gnu is a mess, but unfortunately they have a somewhat valid reason for it
<midfavila>
it's important to remember when examining gnu that gnu is first and foremost a political statement
<midfavila>
even if people don't want to admit that
<midfavila>
as such, to fulfill its goals outlined in the manifesto, gnu has no other choice but to compete on every single front at once
<midfavila>
that means supporting every architecture in common use, and supporting as much as possible, even if that introduces bloat, redundancy, or feature creep
<midfavila>
they have to simultaneously compete with every single proprietary, open, and free implementation of unix and related software
<midfavila>
bleeeeh is an inevitability in such a scenario
<midfavila>
frankly theyve done a remarkable job considering the circumstances
<midfavila>
anyway those are just my thoughts. = w=
<sewn>
also pedophiles
<vova>
yeah
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<sad_plan>
lpegs website has issues with its cert, is there an alternative source to fetch the tarball? i know lpeg is in community, which is why im asking :p
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<phoebos>
sad_plan: you can get it from luarocks (unzip the .src.rock)
<sad_plan>
cheers. ill take a look
<riteo>
sewn: wait wasn't stallman the only famous GNU folk with a very fucked up moral compass?
<riteo>
like every-fucking-one rightfully distanced from him
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<yeloxp>
hey all just wanted to ask what would be the cause of my kernel not wanting to mount on /mnt/root when booting and why it is even trying to mount on this directory, also it doesnt see my /boot dir when "booted" into a shell and when exiting this shell kernel panics saying "tried to kill init" or something similar
<yeloxp>
will also add that the same kernel config worked without issues on crux gentoo and smgl
<yeloxp>
ah it says "cant lookup blockdev"
<riteo>
hi, have you looked at your `/etc/fstab`?
<riteo>
yeloxp: sorry forgot to ping
<yeloxp>
yes my fstab was generated with genfstab
<yeloxp>
amd looks good nothing mispelled or anything
<riteo>
mhhhhhhhhh
<riteo>
like if your shell is init something is wrong, init should be its own process, usually it comes from busybox
<riteo>
are you using an initrd?
<yeloxp>
i have an initramfs
<yeloxp>
made with tinyramfs if that matters
<riteo>
I see
<yeloxp>
and it loads fine atleast on paper
<riteo>
I think the whole /mnt/root is the initramfs doing things
<riteo>
are you sure you're actually switching the root properly (ie. "continuing" from the initramfs)?
<yeloxp>
idk the kernel throws the errors i mentioned earlier and boot me into a shell from which i cant do much
<riteo>
I think that's the initramfs failing but take it with a grain of salt
<yeloxp>
without the initramfs i had the same error
<riteo>
can't lookup blockdev makes me think that it's trying to load by /dev/sd* and does not find it because enumeration failed
<yeloxp>
the error is why i made the initramfs in the first place
<riteo>
or the order changed
<riteo>
yeloxp: unless you're using some funky filesystem or disk encryption I don't think that an initramfs would be a good solution
<yeloxp>
i use ext4 and no disk encryption
<yeloxp>
also iirc i need the initramfs for the nvidia driver but i might be wrong
<riteo>
uhhhhhh I don't think you need it
<riteo>
also notice that the proprietary driver requires glibc, so "stock" kiss linux won't work
<yeloxp>
ah on crux the driver didnt want to compile bc of it
<yeloxp>
i am using gkiss btw
<riteo>
oh all right
<yeloxp>
ik that it wont work on mul\sl
<yeloxp>
oh and i had the same issue with the kernel without the initramfs
<yeloxp>
so i dont think it causes it
<riteo>
did it say anything else?
<yeloxp>
before it was sayng "unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
<riteo>
oooooooooooh wait I think I got it
<riteo>
how's your efi entry setup
<riteo>
I think it's talking about the `root=` kernel parameter
<riteo>
that might be why it's failing to load anything at all, it's not even starting up
<yeloxp>
wdym efi entry
<riteo>
uh how do you boot the thing
<riteo>
grub, efistub, something else
<yeloxp>
grub
<riteo>
mh I see
<yeloxp>
with efi on an nvme drive
<riteo>
and what parameters are passed to the kernel
<riteo>
like if you do the "edit with E" or something (sorry I don't use GRUB often)
<yeloxp>
i can send my whole grub.cfg if u want
<riteo>
yeah that's fine
<riteo>
(I have no idea about your experience so just in case please do not paste it here)
<riteo>
(sorry if you already knew that)
<yeloxp>
yeah im pasting it onto pastebin
<yeloxp>
i dont think a linux/irc noob would be even trying to use kiss linux lmao
<riteo>
(sorry this is related to the root=UUID=whatever)
<riteo>
if that does not do for tinyramfs I'd try using partuuids otherwise I think I'm out of options
<yeloxp>
i think that the problem was that i had root=1234 instead of root=UUID=1234
<riteo>
yeah that's probably that hopefully
<yeloxp>
remade the initramfs image gonna try booting it
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<riteo>
gl
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<yeloxp>
still doesnt boot this time saying "failed to lookup partition: /dev/disk/by-uuid/*the uuid*" so ig it must want the partuuid then
<yeloxp>
then its sh cant access tty job control turned off and into a shell
<riteo>
oh that's a good thing
<riteo>
I guess then the issue is tinyramfs
<riteo>
the issue above talks about needing mdev and blkid to use uuid disks
<riteo>
perhaps tinyramfs did not detect that?
<yeloxp>
oh yeah ang i exited this shell and i got mounting /run on /mnt/root/run failed no such file or directory and the same for /dev proc and sys
<yeloxp>
i mean i have mdev in the tinyramfs' config
<riteo>
do you have blkid available when generating the initramfs
<riteo>
IIRC it's a linux-utils thing
<riteo>
sorry the package is called util-linux
<yeloxp>
i have blkid in my kiss chroot if u mean that
<riteo>
yeah I mean that
<riteo>
in the shell if you do ls /dev/ do you see disk?
<yeloxp>
yeah i have that in /usr/bin but i dont have util-linux installed
<riteo>
and if so, is there a by-uuid dir inside disk?
<yeloxp>
it doesnt want to mount the disk on / so im sure it wont see it but i havent tested that
<yeloxp>
like it says no file or directory when trying to mound on /
<riteo>
yeah but because it does switch_root
<riteo>
initramfs is funky and does funky things
<yeloxp>
when using dracut on other distros i have not had a problem so maybe its a tinyramfs issue
<riteo>
mh I'm not really sure what else to propose, sorry
<yeloxp>
yeah no problem mate
<riteo>
ilt definitely knows the tool much better than me :P not sure if they available rn
<riteo>
(ilt is illiliti)
<riteo>
(IIRC)
<riteo>
(I hope they're illiliti, otherwise sorry for the ping)
<riteo>
well, hope ya manage to fix the issue, good luck mate
<yeloxp>
thx :p
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<sad_plan>
riteo: sorry for the later respons, but ill repond in place of sewn here. yes, stallmans moral compass is out of this world. theres been several posts and videos about it. one that comes to mind was sexual intercourse with minors, is ok, aslong as its consentual. he however retracted the statement, when been explained multiple times why this is just.. wrong
<sad_plan>
drew devault has a collection if this stuff on his blog iirc. if youre interested
<sad_plan>
its in a single blogpost luckily, so you dont have to look though numerous ones for the whole deal
<riteo>
oh yeah I read that, I know exactly the messed up stuff about stallman
<riteo>
I was asking if there were other people involved from GNU
<riteo>
because they said "pedophiles"
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<riteo>
like if richard's the only troublesome folk then that ain't gonna make GNU flip over its head hopefully
<riteo>
it's still an important project
<riteo>
and the vast majority of the GNU related groups distanced themselves from that shit
<sibyla>
all weebs are likely suspects
<riteo>
what
<riteo>
do you realize how much of a vague statement it is?
<sad_plan>
the fact that he can make such claims openly, and not face any concequences, at all, is somewhat troubling tbh. why wasnt he removed ages ago? there shouldve been an outrage about it
<sad_plan>
i atleast wouldnt want to stand behind a person incapable of understanding basic things like the example i pointed out
<riteo>
did he not face any consequence?
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<riteo>
IIRC a lot of backlash happened and shit like that
<riteo>
and he actually got kicked from FSF, before getting brought again there, with yet more backlash IIRC
<riteo>
I seriously do not think that supporting GNU means supporting stallman's shit morals but I'm open to discussion
<sad_plan>
he was canceled a few years back, but they let him back in. im also not 100% sure if fsf felt forced to do so by someone externally, or id they did so on theyr own
<sad_plan>
stallman is kinda gnu, as he is their frontman and face. so when he says something unaccaptale, they should take action
<riteo>
yeah but GNU is distributed FLOSS stuff and it's mostly work of everyone. People tried to take action (and successfully did) but the FSF decided what they did
<riteo>
I can't weight the FSF board more than everything built around GNU
<sad_plan>
in any case, he says/has said numerous unacceptable things, and im not sure such a figure should be put in a position where his opinions can put fsf in a bad spot.
<riteo>
oh yeah I agree
<riteo>
but that's FSF's problem
<riteo>
people pointed that out
<sad_plan>
perhaps. floss is generally pretty niche anyway, so people might not card at the end of the day anyway
<sad_plan>
yeah
<sad_plan>
he is uncompromising though, ill give him that
<riteo>
I hope I'm not misunderstanding/stretching the original message, but I really don't like the idea of boycotting GNU because of rms' morals, especially because everybody mashed him down for that
<riteo>
if by uncompromising you mean regarding using foss, yeah, that's true and that's a good thing
<sad_plan>
personally, it only boils down to software complexity and size. aswell as some software will simply lock you into gnu
<sad_plan>
yep, thats what I meant
<riteo>
I don't like GNU either but dismissing its importance is naive
<sad_plan>
not dimissing it, just like to have some options really
<riteo>
yeye
<riteo>
BTW I have a huge BD-R with an official 25 GB debian installer image
<riteo>
that's GNU :P
<riteo>
you know, in case my laptop explodes
<riteo>
like I bring that with me along with a BR-R drive
<riteo>
meant BD-R
<riteo>
shit the tone of the discussion feels quite heavy, funny since KISS uses relatively little GNU stuff and can actually do without lol
<riteo>
yes, KISS Linux, I like KISS Linux, musl yeah, wohoooooo
* riteo
does funny moves (let's talk about cool things I dunno)
<riteo>
soooooooooooo what's up kissers, any new project? :3
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<yeloxp>
i think my kernel config is somehow broken since i get the same errors when booting without the initramfs
<yeloxp>
but it worked on many other distros so idk
<phinxy>
Can KISS handle SSD disk TRIM? Debian does a weekly trim on Samsung EVO SSD's for example as its built in queue TRIM is blacklisted / nonfunctional in the kernel