<midfavila>
thomas_adam: blackberries are sick. a few years ago when i was still in highschool i used the bbos10 dev environment to compile GNU's userspace and accoutrement for my blackberry passport
<midfavila>
ran ssh into sdf on it all the time
<midfavila>
these days i use a weird little handheld linux computer called the uconsole
<midfavila>
briefly used an old zaurus pda i refurbed as a hobby... lots of cool little machines
<midfavila>
also fwiw there are phones that fold where one segment is a keeb
<midfavila>
planet computers made the gemini pda a while back iirc
<midfavila>
:p
<midfavila>
little linux-android clamshell... thing
<midfavila>
also re: sdf its a shared computer cluster running nbsd. to run tmux atm you need ARPA status which requires a one-time 36USD contribution to operating costs
<midfavila>
lots of other services too like email, webhosting, gopherholes, geini caps, etc
<midfavila>
gemini*
<midfavila>
anyway, bedtime for me
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<sad_plan>
midfavila: so, you paid for arpa, or how do you stay connected?
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<ivyfri12>
Does anyone else have firefox failing to build? Im mainly interested to install one from kiss-xorg, but firefox from main repo fails to build for me as well.
<ivyfri12>
I have 2k something of rust's "no such method" erros, i think i tried everything to solve it on my end, but there are no signs of anyone else having that problem.
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<asimovc>
bro
<asimovc>
why is firefox having problems to build?
<asimovc>
I have 32gb of ram and it still need more
<ivyfri12>
bruh only if i knew
<asimovc>
maybe is ram problems
<ivyfri12>
ill try to build with 4 jobs instead of 12 i usually use tho
<asimovc>
not that is a ram issue but something in the files to build
<ivyfri12>
i think i tried that already, but im not 100%sure, thanks
<asimovc>
i builded firefox in gentoo musl just as good with no problems
<ivyfri12>
yeah i run gentoo on main machine too and i dont have problems there
<asimovc>
someone here that have the repo access can check if firefox in kiss is having some issues of performance for building?
<asimovc>
I will add more ram but this is not a problem to exist
<ukky>
asimovc: how many CPU cores does your system have? and how many make jobs do you allow?
<ivyfri12>
12 threads, 16 gigs, i compile with 12 jobs, just tried with 4 and it failed with same error
<ivyfri12>
give me a sec i will post the log
<asimovc>
16 threads, 32gbs of ram and i allow 16 jobs. Never ever haved a problem to compile firefox in kiss in past months and even in gentoo musl i don't have the same problem
<ivyfri12>
also my cflags are just -O2 and -pipe, and i dont set rustflags. I build whole system with these flags. My repo order is exact same as in kiss-xorg github example
<asimovc>
riteo as a said, he can't even build firefox with 1.81 rust
<riteo>
oh I see
<ukky>
asimovc: Are you using Wayland? You have this in your config: --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk3-wayland-only
<asimovc>
ukky why? and why not is this in the firefox build file in repo?
<riteo>
the weird thing is that the latest minor update has been out for a month and nobody touched that script according to the log
<riteo>
so if it were a rust thing people would've noticed already
<riteo>
it's a really weird issue
<ivyfri12_>
yup im on it for few weeks already, i was sure it has to be something on my end since no one else talks about it
<ukky>
asimovc: can you try this instead (for xorg setup): --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk3-x11-only
<ivyfri12_>
XD ive decided to at least make sure kiss boots on target machine and it doesnt. give me some time to solve that and i will test and report this and building with older llvm and rust versions
<riteo>
ukky: note that the error is completely unrelated to toolkits in any way afaict
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<riteo>
it's giving weird parse errors in some autogenerated servo style thing
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<asimovc>
the problem is not just rust itself
<asimovc>
as you see in the gentoo bug i sended
<asimovc>
is related to clang with rust
<ukky>
riteo: yes, I see that compiler cannot parse rs-file properly
<riteo>
asimovc: that bug seems unrelated honestly
<riteo>
unless I'm misreading it
<asimovc>
look at the github issue in the post
<riteo>
oh I did not notice that, let's see
<riteo>
mh it still talks about a different issue but at least somebody is having a similar problem
<riteo>
you could try applying the linked patch to the rust package ig
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<riteo>
doesn't hurt to try *shrug*
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<ivyfri12_>
riteo: added to "totry" list
<riteo>
'nyways brb, I'll install the new battery :D
<ivyfri12_>
install into what?
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<phinxy>
Do I have to adduser in chroot before booting kisslinux? Or is there a default login password for root?
<sewn>
phinxy: there is no default for root
<sewn>
please add a user
<asimovc>
ivyfri12: solved or anything?
<phinxy>
ok, ill add a user. by the way, is there a way to shut of computer from the login prompt without holding in power button?
<sewn>
yeah
<sewn>
uh
<sewn>
Alt+PrntScrn+o
<riteo>
ivyfri12_: my laptop
<riteo>
it was kinda busted
<riteo>
let's see how this one goes
<ivyfri12_>
asimovc: now grub is broken ffs looks like ill have to change drives now
<riteo>
sysfs seems a bit confused but let's see give the battery some time to calibrate and shit
<riteo>
i should screw the laptop back on thinking about it
<asimovc>
ivyfri12 what? lol
<asimovc>
just use efibootmgr btw
<asimovc>
trying rust patch from gentoo
<asimovc>
cross fingers
<ivyfri12_>
asimovc: ama building kiss for thinkpad x61 ive got no efi
<ivyfri12_>
yup fingers crossed for ya
<riteo>
ruh roh
<riteo>
forgot to remove a random plastic shim from my battery
<riteo>
chat you think I'm gonna explode?
<asimovc>
if firefox can't compile again i will just go for flatpak
<asimovc>
just need a browser for work
<riteo>
asimovc: note that dbus might be needed for the xdg portals
<ivyfri12_>
how tho, its not like im not kiss noob, but never seen it mentioned anywhere
<riteo>
like, perhaps one can flatseal their way out of them by giving every permission under the sun but I'm not sure
<riteo>
ivyfri12_: IIRC there's a flatpak package in community
<riteo>
and there's a kiss-dbus repo for... well, dbus and friends
<riteo>
including xdg-desktop-*
<riteo>
also bluez
<ivyfri12_>
and thats it? Just installing flatpack and installing dbus does the trick?
<riteo>
so I have like a reasonably "modern" stack of iwd, pipewire, bluez all on kiss
<riteo>
ivyfri12_: ye I think so
<ivyfri12_>
hm i also seen ccache package in community, anyone tried it?
<riteo>
ye
<riteo>
I did
<riteo>
it works :D
<ivyfri12_>
cool
<asimovc>
kiss-dbus need updates
<asimovc>
i used time ago
<asimovc>
too much abandoned
<asimovc>
everything in this distro is
<asimovc>
sadly
<riteo>
I mean last update was july
<riteo>
which is not _that_ abandoned
<asimovc>
bluez and stuff
<riteo>
also, that's a bit the point of this distro, isn't it? That it can never be abandoned
<asimovc>
pretty old
<riteo>
it takes 3 seconds to update the definitions :P
<asimovc>
no if you have to search for patch
<riteo>
what patch
<riteo>
bluez has no patches
<asimovc>
no in older versions
<sewn>
what's with the sudden spike of activity
<riteo>
sewn: firefox does not build on latest rust or smth ig
<riteo>
dunno, I'm too busy flatpaking :P
<phinxy>
has anyone migrated over from one kisslinux machine to another, was there any hiccups moving configs over?
<sewn>
no
<sewn>
one repo one dotfiles repo ez
<asimovc>
riteo: i think the point of this distro about of "you can create your on repo and maintain" is a bad point
<asimovc>
this make the distro this mess
<asimovc>
can't have stability for build a package
<asimovc>
because no one is caring about
<sewn>
what????
<sewn>
oh hell naw
<sewn>
don't slander kiss
<asimovc>
but is true
<riteo>
uh???????????
<riteo>
the stability is a completely different point
<asimovc>
yeah maybe
<riteo>
99% of build failures are due to funky environment differences caused by no build sandboxing
<asimovc>
but repo is the "official" point to start kiss
<asimovc>
and you can't start right
<asimovc>
because is abandoned
<riteo>
repo is not abandoned
<riteo>
what you talking about?
<asimovc>
number of issues not closed
<riteo>
that does not mean it's abandoned
<asimovc>
pull requests in time that having months and still not closed
<asimovc>
packages that need patching and no one cares about
<sewn>
asimovc:
<sewn>
kiss-community is a community effort
<riteo>
most issues/prs are ideas that would require a very high amount of work, which is missing
<sewn>
do you think theres thousands of users
<sewn>
or people getting paid to do these proposals or bug fixes
<riteo>
yeah sewn is explaining it way better than me :P
<asimovc>
i remember i have a issue in busybox that is a simple patch stuff and alpine did it. This issue has perdured for months link 7 or more
<riteo>
meaning the same thing though and I 100% agree on what sewn is saying
<sewn>
i understand the "why isnt my OSS project giving me the respect I deserve", but as an OSS developer, you have to understand that these things are given to you by peoples free time
<sewn>
it is not a right to you
<phinxy>
Id try Alpine out if it hadnt used OpenRC
<sewn>
be the change you wish to see. help out.
<sewn>
contribute.
<riteo>
I mean, that's actually the big advantage of kiss. If you really need something you can make it yourself right away
<sewn>
instead of complaining about how no bug fixes or no proposals are being applied
<asimovc>
then give people with free time the power to change it
<riteo>
patching a debian package is way more painful xD
<sewn>
asimovc: whats the issue? thats purely possible
<asimovc>
is frustrating making an issue and can't do nothing about because no one sees it and no one accept the pr or fix
<sewn>
is there a fix?
<sewn>
is there a PR?
<asimovc>
likyle i said
<asimovc>
sometimes i made a pr in community
<riteo>
I don't think that the maintainer model is being enforced anymore, is it?
<sewn>
it is
<asimovc>
weeks and a have to call people here more than one time to be listened
<sewn>
kiss has a BDFL
<sewn>
kiss-community doesnt
<sewn>
and doesnt have a set of people who are actively scouring for maintainership
<sewn>
the bare minimum (update packages) is what is being done atm
<asimovc>
the BDFL of kiss even see the prs, some are fixed and still opened
<sewn>
asimovc: give me an example
<sewn>
a kiss-community bug, with a PR that was opened to fix it
<sewn>
if its true i will be very dissapointed
<sewn>
i dont blame kiss-community, because the actual maintainers, people with commit permission, have lives
<asimovc>
kiss repo is just updating stuff and fix big issues
<riteo>
sewn: regarding the maintainer model, I mean that one can make a PR for "somebody else's" package
<sewn>
asimovc: thats what i just said
<sewn>
riteo: ahh
<sewn>
i mean
<riteo>
like, the maintainer model forbit making PRs and shit
<sewn>
dependso n the maintainer
<riteo>
oh I see
<sewn>
if your name is ioraff, hard no
<sewn>
but for the rest i believe you can make bug fixes and they get approved, like ones i made on kiss-xorg
<asimovc>
sewn: i give the example. busybox haved a bug for more than months and alpine solved it. That's what i'm saying, maybe still need more patching for better performance and not breaking things but repos is just update stuff and fix big problems
<asimovc>
the bdfl or community members just needed to look at alpines patches and patch busybox
<asimovc>
this is the point the quality of kiss
<asimovc>
kiss is just abandoned in quality
<asimovc>
no one cares if is buggy as long is builded and "working"
<sewn>
links please?
<asimovc>
you can see my pr in community repo
<asimovc>
i'm not with browser now lol
<asimovc>
other example
<asimovc>
someone just builded firefox in some condition and thinked "good work" and now i can't build as expected and need to find some solution
<asimovc>
as you can see this pr i made was 8 months ago
<asimovc>
the fix in alpine is due to jan 2023
<asimovc>
one year for just look in alpines busybox package and get the patch
<midfavila>
sad_plan yeah i paid for arpa ages ago, when i was still in high school. 100% worth it imho
<midfavila>
also i fucking hate the default image for the uconsole aaaa it's literally the WORST
<ivyfri12_>
lmao i just got sd card for pmos on nokia n900
<ivyfri12_>
i love my "linux phone at home"
<midfavila>
nice
<midfavila>
im *this* friggin close to being able to drop my android for the uconsole running kiss but i just can't get it self-hosting
<midfavila>
that and clockworkpi doesn't seem to provide the tools/kernel source/etc that they used for the r01 atm in violation of the gpl so that sucks
<ivyfri12_>
uconsole running kiss sound awesome
<ivyfri12_>
im into sliders tho
<midfavila>
sliders are neat
<midfavila>
my main goal rn is to cut out proprietary hardware to the extent possible hence the uconsole
<midfavila>
in theory at least the schematics are freely licensed
<asimovc>
rust builded fine with patch
<asimovc>
now see firefox build
<midfavila>
>rust
<ivyfri12_>
asimovs: nice, im still stalled at GRUB Loading. and boot loop. Its not my day today
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<ivyfri12_>
midfavila: >rust been pain in my ass for almost month, i just couldnt belive firefox failing to build wasnt my issue since no one talked about it anywhere
<midfavila>
yeah i feel that
<midfavila>
ive had some weird issues in the past with some software
<midfavila>
these days i dont even bother with gui browsers
<midfavila>
its all exhausting
<riteo>
lucky fella
<ivyfri12_>
based
<ivyfri12_>
i still need that bloat for school
<midfavila>
no luck about it, ive reorganised my entire life to avoid this crap
<midfavila>
i unironically stay up at night worrying about it :v
<midfavila>
deeply unfortunate, ivy
<midfavila>
soon you can abandon GUIs entirely and join the framebuffer legion
<ivyfri12_>
one day...
<midfavila>
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO holyfuck
<midfavila>
i just tried some more moka and jesus i havent been tightening it enough
<midfavila>
this is way better than usual
<midfavila>
coffee things
<riteo>
yes
<midfavila>
but yeah tbh my uconsole kiss repo once it's done will be framebuffer-first
<riteo>
water under valve, just enough coffee for it to slightly squish and very tight
<midfavila>
i might not even include X, so you could check it out, ivy
<midfavila>
yeah usually i just tighten it so that it's like, together
<riteo>
mid is it typable on the go
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<midfavila>
this time i really put my arm into it
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
100%
<riteo>
mid you have to tighten it as much as humanly possible
<midfavila>
i've been using it for most of my portable computing for the past few weeks
<riteo>
take a towel
<midfavila>
yeah i guess so :V
<riteo>
grip one half with the towel
* midfavila
takes notes
<riteo>
trust me it will be 100 times easier
<riteo>
and tighter
<midfavila>
will do so for next coffee
<midfavila>
usually i just use a french press but
<riteo>
uh btw regarding the valve thing
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<riteo>
actually my family never did it for some reason
<riteo>
which does not make sense to me
<riteo>
like, my mom fills it fully, puts the little strainer thing and drains the excess
<riteo>
I suppose that does the same thing? No idea
* midfavila
shrugs?
<riteo>
lol
<midfavila>
strange italian magic
<midfavila>
cant fathom it
<midfavila>
but yeah re: the uconsole it's honestly super usable
<riteo>
that's cool af
<riteo>
I just gave up and accepted mobile phones with HUGE uis
<midfavila>
on 6Ah it runs all day in textmode under light use
<riteo>
like, I don't plan to use phones as a laptop so I'm fine with it having a dumb, simple and accessible interface
<midfavila>
went from 100% at 0700 to ~33% by the time i got home at 1745
<riteo>
uh that's interesting
<midfavila>
oh to be clear i dont use the uconsole as a laptop
<riteo>
like, nowadays the huge majority of power consumption is the display
<midfavila>
it would absolutely not be suitable for that without a dock or something
<midfavila>
i just find it easier to use the same software and etc on all my devices
<midfavila>
with the r01, the display is definitely part of it. there's also no suspend yet
<riteo>
ffs why is the uconsole website built with WIX
<midfavila>
because clockworkpi is like three guys in a basement somewhere im pretty sure lel
<asimovc>
midvafila: i can't just live without gui browser if i get a job in low level programming language
<midfavila>
why tho
<asimovc>
front end need it as a hell
<riteo>
mid and how do you write on the thing
<riteo>
like, thumb typing
<midfavila>
i mean i guess if you want to be a frontend dev then sure but that's part of the parcel
<midfavila>
i've chosen a career that specifically doesnt require crapware
<midfavila>
riteo yes
<midfavila>
it's annoying at first
<midfavila>
because the keys are very, very, very heavy
<asimovc>
what career you choose?
<riteo>
the heavy keys are a very good thing actually
<midfavila>
but once you adjust, unless you have itty bitty baby fingies, it's pretty easy
<riteo>
I hate thumb typing, qwerty keebs were never made for portability
<midfavila>
i can hit 60-70wpm@99% on it now
<midfavila>
i disagree
<riteo>
you know what I'm playing with on my phone
<midfavila>
blackberries are excellent
<riteo>
thumbkey
<riteo>
it's a weird swipe key thing
<midfavila>
asimovc: at the moment i'm a computer technician for a logistics company
<riteo>
instead of pressing a lot of tiny things you have this 3x3 grid of buttons with common keys and you can swipe to the less common ones
<ivyfri12_>
n900 is kinda pain in the ass to type on, but its still way better than onscreen keyboards
<midfavila>
when they hired me they outsourced literally all of their IT and they even hired a computer operator because none of them wanted to touch tech
<midfavila>
so i built a little machine using a board from pine64, plopped armbian on it, and moved all of the outsourced stuff like the site, point of sale, etc, into the back
<asimovc>
so you just need to use the crap in your work?
<midfavila>
neb
<midfavila>
i don't touch it
<midfavila>
the machine in the back gets sshd'd into by my uconsole or reform and i just do everything in text mode
<asimovc>
what you do exactly?
<midfavila>
works fine
<midfavila>
asimovc: i manage the point of sale and transaction databases, an email system, the company website, etc
<asimovc>
so just admin stuff in system?
<midfavila>
pretty much
<asimovc>
yeah thats great
<midfavila>
it's a small company so as long as things keep chugging along my job these days mostly boils down to updating packages and rotating backups once in a while
<midfavila>
easy asf
<asimovc>
i still need the stuff but i moved career for not even need windows
<midfavila>
nice
<asimovc>
maybe one day i move to no need of the bloat
<midfavila>
the only person who uses windows in the company is the operator they hired which is annoying
<midfavila>
she *insists* on using,
<midfavila>
of all things,
<midfavila>
microsoft excel to write documents
<midfavila>
not word
<asimovc>
riteo: not worked the patch
<midfavila>
excel
<asimovc>
and f*** the firefox
<asimovc>
just go flatpak and deal with it later
<asimovc>
don't have time now
<asimovc>
just need my system working for tomorrow
<midfavila>
riteo re:swipe typing i used to use that
<midfavila>
it works fine
<midfavila>
i guess
<midfavila>
but i still prefer a physical keyboard
<asimovc>
midfavila: are you using kiss?
<midfavila>
at the moment? no, i'm using slackware on my x86 laptop
<asimovc>
why slack?
<midfavila>
my usual laptop, mnt reform, still runs the stock debian image
<midfavila>
but it's out of commission atm pending warranty
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
because slackware just werks
<midfavila>
slackware is my debian
<riteo>
lol I see
<riteo>
I was going to put debian in a joke or something
<riteo>
hence the lol
<midfavila>
i can just sit down, install slackware, and grill
<midfavila>
boomer distro
<riteo>
it's fine
<midfavila>
altho in the future i'll probably just run an LFS box
<riteo>
lfs as in make; make install or with some fancy script on top
<riteo>
because personally the difference is starting to become very hard to see
<ivyfri12_>
yo i daily'ed lfs for a while
<asimovc>
riteo: any idea of why firefox is having this problem?
<midfavila>
i would definitely write scripts to manage building individual packages
<ivyfri12_>
asimovc: none
<riteo>
asimovc: no idea
<riteo>
I don't code in rust
<midfavila>
probably graft the flavour of slackbuilds onto pm(1)
<midfavila>
i really like how slackware is distributed honestly
<riteo>
that script is a huge generated thing though, so everything is possible
<riteo>
midfavila: what do you mean by honestly
<ivyfri12_>
midfavila: there are only handful of packages you will have to update, its not that big of a chore honestly
<riteo>
I don't know slackware well either
<midfavila>
oh it's just a turn of phrase riteo
<midfavila>
my bad
<riteo>
oooooooooooooooooooooooooh
<midfavila>
just like, confessing that i like it, lol
<riteo>
yeah all right mis-parsed it
<midfavila>
my bad :P
<riteo>
nw nw
<midfavila>
ivyfri12_: i already maintain my own KISS fork
<midfavila>
completely separate from upstream
<midfavila>
i have for... shit, going on...
<midfavila>
well, it was a hard fork when repo dropped xorg
<midfavila>
but even prior to that i'd maintained my own core package system separately
<midfavila>
so... probably 3, 4 years now? my god
<midfavila>
you know what makes me feel old? 2020 was almost five years ago
<riteo>
wait are there people using fully 100% vanilla kiss
<midfavila>
i would assume so
<riteo>
midfavila: ughhhhhh you realize I was like in 3rd year of high school when I got into this chat
<midfavila>
lmao rip
<midfavila>
i was in my last year i think
<riteo>
wowzies kiss really stood the test of time
<midfavila>
yeah because i sat down and did LFS under crux
<riteo>
it's a bit cranky here and there but it works, somehow
<midfavila>
and then the WD black i was doing LFS on died the second i finished the last package
<midfavila>
and i ragequit
<riteo>
lol
<midfavila>
and then i installed kiss because i didnt wanna do it again
<midfavila>
and then i dropped crux
<midfavila>
and that was like mid-2020 when i was finishing high school iirc
<midfavila>
fuck
<midfavila>
but yeah i mean i used kiss all throughout college and it was fine
<midfavila>
i do miss dylan ;w;
<riteo>
ye
<midfavila>
i hope his potato farming is going well
<riteo>
same
<riteo>
also I miss dilyn
<midfavila>
oh my goooooooooood aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i've been writing the r01 image for like an hour
<midfavila>
for some reason it's almost 8gb...
<riteo>
I mean they're not gone are they it's just that they've moved on IIRC
<midfavila>
i think dilyn still reads logs
<midfavila>
he's showed up once or twice and pinged me
<riteo>
oh right
<riteo>
hi dilyn!
<midfavila>
to be completely honest i feel like maybe repo should change from bdfl to committee
<midfavila>
we've had dylan vanish and dilyn is doing dilyn things
<riteo>
mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not sure
<riteo>
it's such a small project that it would be super overkill
<riteo>
like, if you don't like it... fork it? Takes 10 second
<riteo>
at most I'd see a sort of interoperability thing or smth
<midfavila>
doesnt have to be super formal
<midfavila>
i just dont know how viable it is to have a bdfl when bdfls keep vanishing
<riteo>
I mean if most of the committee vanishes too we're at the same place
<riteo>
like, given this distro's nature people *will* disappear, I've come to terms with that
<riteo>
it's a bit like being a nomad; it takes some constant mental effort but if your lifestyle allows it it's really liberating
* riteo
has never been a nomad and definitely knows what they're talking about
<riteo>
but it's not for everybody and people might slowly realize that and give up
<riteo>
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hope that makes sense
<riteo>
like it's the 100r of linux
<midfavila>
yeah no i get you
<riteo>
uh did anybody ever package uxn
<midfavila>
just had to afk for a minute
<midfavila>
i think so
<midfavila>
people have pinged me about it before
<riteo>
oh nw
<riteo>
aabacchus apparently did, according to my """very up to date""" kiss-find db
<midfavila>
btw riteo did i ever show you the desktop i wanna build? :o
<midfavila>
then i'll be able to use most of the same parts in my laptop, desktop, and handheld
<midfavila>
as well as the same software
<midfavila>
and hopefully run all of it with (as close to as possible) zero blobs or similar
<riteo>
wow that's like convergence
<riteo>
but... backwards??!?!?!
<midfavila>
yeb kinda
<riteo>
I mean it still is convergence
<riteo>
with a dock you can do the same exact thing
<midfavila>
nah
<riteo>
it's just, ad-hoc form factors
<midfavila>
the goal is less like
<midfavila>
muh convergent linux desktop
<midfavila>
altho that's very cool
<midfavila>
and more just making it easy to keep all my devices working and up to date
<riteo>
yeah fair
<riteo>
very cool
<midfavila>
oh hey the r01 image just finished cooking
<riteo>
wahoo
<midfavila>
time to see if it works or if clockwork epic prank'd me
<midfavila>
BING
<midfavila>
BING
<midfavila>
WAHOO
<midfavila>
did you see the nintendo alarm clock lmao
<riteo>
oh yeah I heard of it
<riteo>
didn't really look into it deeper
<riteo>
one because nintendo (although zelda is fasfaskljhaomigahsio)
<midfavila>
its got dlc
<riteo>
two because alarm clock
<midfavila>
:DDDDDD
<riteo>
why dlc :sob: :sob: :sob:
<riteo>
why do parents let kids buy fake things so easily
<riteo>
when I was a kid even just buying minecraft was an amazing feat
<midfavila>
gen z has reached the "kids these days" phase
<midfavila>
mark the date
<riteo>
lmao
<ivyfri12_>
I VE FINALLY BOOT'ED KISS ON X61
<riteo>
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
<midfavila>
nice
<riteo>
welcome to the club ivyfri12_
<ivyfri12_>
now i can uh continue with firefox
<midfavila>
lmao good luck
<riteo>
yes firefox yeah firefox wahoo
<midfavila>
is the x61 32 or 64 bit?
<midfavila>
i think its 64 isnt it?
<ivyfri12_>
riteo: im part of the club for month i spen trying to build it
<midfavila>
its not that old
<ivyfri12_>
x61 is 64
<riteo>
ivyfri12_: holy macaroni why did it take you a month
<ivyfri12_>
midfavila: yup i bet i could daily it for school
<riteo>
is it because the thing is slow or smth else
<ivyfri12_>
riteo: because i couldnt belive it was problem in repos and i was handpicking cflgas
<riteo>
oof
<ivyfri12_>
im not insane enough (like you people duh) to build on x61, i build on desktop
<riteo>
lol
<riteo>
that's interesting
<riteo>
you build and then move the cache on the laptop?
<midfavila>
mfw i built kiss on the r01
* midfavila
sweats
<ivyfri12_>
riteo: so far i just build
<ivyfri12_>
and then build
<ivyfri12_>
and thats it
<midfavila>
r01 lives
<midfavila>
woop woop
<riteo>
so it's official?
<riteo>
kiss r01?
<midfavila>
neb
<midfavila>
i just burned the stock image because i fried the original one
<midfavila>
i'm experimenting rn
<midfavila>
trying to get the r01's software up to feature parity with normal smartphone stuff
<midfavila>
atm i'm focusing on a hotspot feature
<ivyfri12_>
wow r01 is almost like n900 but it doesnt suck!
<midfavila>
i have hostapd working and i have the 4g modem working
<midfavila>
and brctl runs
<midfavila>
but for some reason ubuntu only comes with cdc-qmi or w/e
<midfavila>
and i need -mbim
<midfavila>
because brctl doesnt like cdc-wdm device files
<midfavila>
it was a USB TTY
<midfavila>
wants*
<riteo>
oh I see
<riteo>
how are you handling the modem?
<midfavila>
clockwork provides a script
<riteo>
there's like modemmanager but it's networkmanager levels of ughhhhhhhhhh
<riteo>
oh I see
<midfavila>
given the lack of polish for the rest of the r01's software i can't imagine it's very good but it does work
<midfavila>
i'll likely modify the script i wrote for my toughbook's modem when i still had that for the first release of r01 kiss
<riteo>
please document everything eventually
<midfavila>
i want to write a few scripts for different features like yeah managing the modem and such and then slap a dialog(1)-based interface on top
<riteo>
I need more ad-hoc simple DEs in my life
<midfavila>
and yeah ofc i'm gonna document it lel
<midfavila>
my goal is to be able to easily take notes and organise documents, browse text-based websites, view documents and images, communicate via SMS and various IM protocols in some sort of unified fashion that also manages contacts, get FDE working,
<midfavila>
get video playback working, and some way to interface with youtube/invidious...
<riteo>
oooh does the r01 have hw decode
<midfavila>
no
<riteo>
oof
<midfavila>
but in tty the cpu is powerful enough to handle it
<midfavila>
the r01 has no graphics hardware
<riteo>
I'm worried more about battery power than cpu power
<midfavila>
well, a big problem with the current system is that it uses full-fat versions of everything
<midfavila>
full X.Org, full systemd, full networkmanager, glibc, on and on
<riteo>
auchie I see
<riteo>
well I can't blame them
<midfavila>
a musl-busybox machine in the tty with minimal background services would likely consume way less power
<midfavila>
or, well, not way less
<midfavila>
but appreciably less
<midfavila>
and i mean i dunno i absolutely blame them
<riteo>
I've had a pinephone (until it lasted lol) and the software for ultra-mobile computing is *rough*
<midfavila>
at least release your source code
<riteo>
no mid the amount of system integration required for this stuff is crazy
<riteo>
people underestimate how much work android did to get there
<midfavila>
i mean
<midfavila>
outside of calls i can already do basically everything i need with off the shelf junk from github
<riteo>
yeah but doing it *efficiently* is another thing
<midfavila>
i mean yes
<riteo>
and doing it with sane APIs for other software
<midfavila>
but the r01 isnt going to be a phone-running-linu
<midfavila>
linux*
<midfavila>
that's the wrong way to look at it
<midfavila>
it's not going to be constantly waiting for incoming calls, constantly connected to LTE, etc etc
<midfavila>
it's going to be a linux machine in your pocket that happens to have a modem
<midfavila>
in that role the uconsole is excellent
<riteo>
yet with no suspend and no hw decode
<midfavila>
yeah the suspend thing is a problem admittedly
<riteo>
which are two things which are going to eat through your battery
<midfavila>
hw decode, i don't consider a major issue
<riteo>
also, you're still going to make your own little bespoke de which is not trivial as modems are a PAIN to handle
<midfavila>
don't watch the entire lord of the rings trilogy on the r01 when ur on the plane or something
<midfavila>
riteo no theyre not?
<riteo>
uh. maybe I never tried the native linux APIs
<riteo>
I had to endure modemmanager on the pinephone and it was pain
<midfavila>
i wrote a script that used devfs to push the modem in my toughbook around
<midfavila>
no modemmanager or networkmanager
<midfavila>
just devfs, ifconfig et al, and posix shell
<riteo>
uh
<riteo>
nevermind then
<riteo>
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh then it doesn't sound that hard to have a nice and tidy minimal system?
<midfavila>
ye its not
<midfavila>
i found a libpurple plugin for SMS/MMS from librem
<midfavila>
so that can hook into finch
<midfavila>
which provides access to irc/xmpp/telegram/discord/etc
<midfavila>
and contacts management
<riteo>
ohhhhh nice
<riteo>
I'm kinda worried about the usability of the telegram/discord stuff
<midfavila>
moc for a nice simple menu-based music player
<midfavila>
honestly its pretty okay
<riteo>
I tried some CLI clients for telegram but they were just painful for anything non-strictly text (obviously)
<midfavila>
no images ofc at least not inline but for just IM it's perfectly usable
<midfavila>
i use pidgin/finch pretty much exclusively for telegram
<riteo>
do you use telegram a lot?
<midfavila>
yeb
<midfavila>
unfortunately
<riteo>
because personally even just opening a sticker to see what it is was pain
<riteo>
yeah same
<midfavila>
pidgin can do inline stickers with tdlib-purple
<midfavila>
including animated ones
<riteo>
ohhhh
<riteo>
reactions?
<midfavila>
shows up as an inline message
<midfavila>
"X reacted to (message) with :thing:"
<riteo>
uh I should take another look
<midfavila>
yes you should
<riteo>
I mean I have telegram-desktop which is very optimized actually
<riteo>
I kinda disdain dinamically loaded plug-ins
<midfavila>
more active fork
<midfavila>
yeah its not ideal
<midfavila>
the goal is to just have fifos/sockets/whatever for everything, arranged like ii
<midfavila>
and then have a frontend written using an intermediate API that sits atop xaw/curses
<riteo>
nice
<midfavila>
so at build time you can link against either the xaw version or curses version, get the same experience, and be able to use all that stuff just fine
* midfavila
shrugs
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<asimovc>
yo
<asimovc>
how can i add flathub repo?
<asimovc>
the conventional way dont work
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<midfavila>
frankly i find a lot of the infrastructure present on modern linuxes to be kind of silly
<midfavila>
at least for desktop use
<asimovc>
bro
<asimovc>
how i can mount efivar to use efibootmgr?
<asimovc>
dont work the command in wiki
<midfavila>
nmtui is user-friendly i suppose but i've never gotten anything even slightly sophisticated working with it
<asimovc>
mount -t efivarfs none /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/
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<riteo>
asimovc what it works here
<riteo>
what error does it dump
<ukky>
asimovc: check CONFIG_EFIVAR_FS in kernel config
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<phoebos>
asimovc: we're not going out looking for bugs in all the software. usually it's the responsibility of the software upstream to make a new release to fix a bug, and we'll package that. otherwise, it takes someone like you to tell us there's a bug needing a patch, otherwise we won't notice
<phoebos>
midfavila: dilyn stopped BDFLing when dylan returned, and didn't then start again. so we've had a few lead maintainers since then