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<noobaroo>
Why is the moov atom by default at the end? Some software will brag about having “sane” defaults. From this, I can see how this saying became a saying
<JEEB>
because classically speaking you can only write it after you have written the contents
<JEEB>
although at this point there might be a way to write a limited moov first
<noobaroo>
I can't think of any examples but I feel like lots of files probably have to have complete info before writing a file, but even so, when the file is written it's insane to write it in a weird order
<noobaroo>
Unless the file is being written over hours very slowly
<noobaroo>
Then i can see why it would not be ideal to cache the whole file
<noobaroo>
But why doesnt matroska work this way? Is there a benefit to the way mp4 does it? Like i know that mpegts doesn't have proper seeking in standard video players, im not sure how it works fine in web browsers, but thats another topic
<JEEB>
yes, mpeg-ts is just a pipe of 188 byte packets
<JEEB>
where packet id 0 is "here is index" and so forth
<JEEB>
there is no concept of seeking in mpeg-ts, since it was made for A->B broadcast
<JEEB>
thus there is no seeking index
<JEEB>
matroska also writes various indices etc at the end
<JEEB>
it just happens that the info that's required to just initialize decoding can be written out earlier
<noobaroo>
That seems reasonable and like it should be the case everywhere
<BtbN>
noobaroo: matroska works in the exact same way actually
<JEEB>
also enabling fragmentation in mp4 writer already has for years enabled streaming of mp4
<JEEB>
it's just that historically fragmented mp4 was not as widely supported (like 15 year sago)
<BtbN>
it writes the seek index at the end. If it's missing, you can't seek in the file and some other stuff is broken
<BtbN>
For some odd reason mp4 was designed in such a way that without that atom, the file is completely useless
<BtbN>
matroska you can at least play/remux linearly
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<BtbN>
And yeah, the moov atom can't be written before you know where every packet is in the file, since it contains seek offsets within the file.
<noobaroo>
Not really BtbN, mkv can play incomplete downloads and in-progress encodes, whereas mp4 by default can't do either. And with faststart, it can do the first
<BtbN>
That's literally what I just said?
<JEEB>
I think like with fragmented mp4 you can do empty moov or whatever it was, someone could check if that would be doable with non-fragmented as well
<BtbN>
And to make a faststarting mp4, you first need a completed regular one. It can only be done as a post-processing step
<JEEB>
but really, if you need streaming or otherwise readable-from-beginning thing, I recommend just doing fragmented cmaf
<BtbN>
fragmented mp4 is pretty much only for linear playback though. To seek in it, you need something around it like HLS
<JEEB>
nah, you do get seeking indices
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<Unit640>
So that PNG size limit is just to "protect the computer" and "be compatible with old 32-bit systems" rather than something that *needs* to be that way? Could it perhaps be "unlocked" temporarily on-demand?
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<JEEB>
Unit640: it's a framework thing, that the memory wise size of the image fits into I think a 32bit int? since that's what various parts of the framework then utilized for relevant stuff
<JEEB>
it can be moved to 64bit int, but that requires looking at what else needs bumping
<JEEB>
so it's not just "remove the size restriction", but make it so that other bits of the framework would correctly handle larrger sizes
<Unit640>
I would agree with a size limit but not so "small" as it currently appears to be.
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<CounterPillow>
Your use case of using ffmpeg to recompress PNG is stupid any way because FFmpeg is not a PNG optimiser. You might as well throw bog-standard libpng at it.
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<CounterPillow>
From what I remember this whole thing started because you refused to use oxipng since it wasn't packaged in whatever Debian oldstable you're running, so it's not like FFmpeg raising any of its limits would make it to you either since you refuse to run software that's not out of date.
<CounterPillow>
and iirc you didn't want to use optipng because you were afraid of theoretical memory safety issues but somehow that fear doesn't apply to whatever old ffmpeg you're using despite it also being written in mostly C. (???)
<CounterPillow>
Basically, there are plenty of better ways to solve your issue than making ffmpeg raise its limits, and you're willing to use none of them.
<Unit640>
CounterPillow: I'm not aware of anything called "oldstable". And I don't "refuse to run software that's not out of date" in any sense.
<Unit640>
As for "libpng", it's unclear whether that's available as a tool or just some sort of C library on Debian.
<Unit640>
It seems like that Oxipng thing requires you to build it manually.
<CounterPillow>
No.
<CounterPillow>
It's a static binary, and they even make a .deb for babbies like you.
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<Unit640>
I used to get insulted for using Windows instead of Linux, always having issues with Linux tools which were poorly or not at all supported on Windows. Now that I do use Linux, it's the "wrong kind of Linux" instead... Very annoying. Especially as I spent a very significant amount of time and energy evaluating the alleged alternatives and came to the conclusion that there's basically just Debian in practice if you don't want to use things that are "based
<Unit640>
on" other things, or have some really really stupid thing about the installer (Arch, openSUSE, etc.)
<Unit640>
"Babbies"?
<CounterPillow>
So instead of crying are you going to use the solution proposed to you?
<CounterPillow>
There are no riddles, you're just an idiot.
<CounterPillow>
USE OXIPNG
<CounterPillow>
IT DOES NOT NEED TO INCLUDE "erm this supports le Debian :)))" IN THE README TO WORK ON DEBIAN
<CounterPillow>
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE .DEB IS FOR
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<another|>
CounterPillow: Please mind your language.
<CounterPillow>
People have told them what more appropriate tools to use on day 1 and they ignored this advice and went with ffmpeg instead, which hasn't been working out for them for the next two weeks. Evidently new approaches need to be explored in getting through to them.
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<another|>
I'm not criticising the content of your message but the tone.
<another|>
Calling people babbies and shouting at them is shitty.
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<L29Ah>
i see ffmpeg has a arnndn filter to do the supposedly same thing as rnnoise, but i get seemingly different results, and rnnoise uses some other models in some other format apparently; how can i convert the rnnoise models into ffmpeg-usable ones? the ones at https://media.xiph.org/rnnoise/models/
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