#commonlisp on 2024-07-12 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

2022-07-28 16:55 jackdaniel changed the topic of #commonlisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | Wiki: <https://www.cliki.net> | IRC Logs: <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp> | Cookbook: <https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook> | Pastebin: <https://plaster.tymoon.eu/>

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05:58 <beach> thuna`: If you want to do that with code, you probably need a code walker. You won't know whether an argument to a macro call is a constant or not.

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14:13 <rootnode> Never thought I'd ever join an IRC channel ever again, but just recently got into Common Lisp after a long time of Emacs Lisp. Surprised by how many users are online. Good to see that IRC is still alive

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14:14 <beach> Welcome back!

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14:25 <beach> rootnode: Are you working on some Common Lisp project?

14:26 <rootnode> not currently. still in the stages of learning it. got the basics down, now just need to get familiar with the say standard functions, get accustomed to some of the seemingly "standard" libraries like alexandria etc.

14:27 <rootnode> And absolutely out of ideas for projects to work on, so currently writing a basic redis clone just to have something to work on

14:28 <rootnode> At the moment in a devops role, so my daily work doesn't involve a lot of coding sadly. So my current fix is to work my way through PAIP to fill the time

14:28 <beach> I see. Here is a page of suggested projects in case you are looking for one: http://metamodular.com/Common-Lisp/suggested-projects.html

14:28 <ixelp> Suggested programming projects

14:28 <rootnode> oh, handy. was looking around but somehow missed that page

14:29 <beach> Feel free to ask questions about the entries.

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14:29 <rootnode> Thrown it into my org docs to remember it

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14:34 <beach> PAIP is good, but CLOS is underused there compared to more modern code.

14:35 <rootnode> yeah, but still like the way things are approached there. throwing CLOS into the mix later is not too difficult to adjust to I guess.

14:35 <beach> Sure.

14:36 <rootnode> also threw the condition system book by phoe in there, because that is definitely something that I haven't encountered in all the other languages before

14:37 <beach> Indeed, because it is pretty unique. I guess you didn't program in Multics PL/I at the time. If you did, you would have found something similar.

14:37 <rootnode> Nah, I was born too late for that

14:40 <rootnode> My journey went Z80 assembly -> C -> Java -> C++ -> C# -> a lot inbetween -> settled on mostly Rust and some Haskell and now arrived at CL because I finally tried the REPL in full for the first time and it finally clicked

14:40 <rootnode> I've used other REPLs before, but I know understand my folly

14:41 <rootnode> now*

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14:43 <beach> I see.

14:43 <rootnode> But thanks for that list. The double entry accounting might actually be an idea. Been a long time user of hledger, so that might actually be a project I could work on for myself.

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14:44 <beach> rainthree might be working on that too.

14:44 <rootnode> yeah, gonna start just for myself just to dip my feet into it

14:48 <beach> I looked into similar projects in other languages, and they put a lot of work into file formats, but those are trivial in Common Lisp, so it is much more important to get the internals right.

14:49 <beach> With PRINT and READ, you can manage most object graphs.

14:49 <dlowe> I figure a lot of it is file formats to interoperate with other programs

14:49 <rootnode> yeah

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14:51 <beach> Also, I don't know whether that page mentions the Compta system which is an embryonic version of an accounting system: https://github.com/robert-strandh/Compta

14:51 <ixelp> GitHub - robert-strandh/Compta: Primitive accounting system with CLIM GUI.

15:01 <rootnode> Yeah, I might first give a go at making something ledger-ish, so that I can use my old files

15:06 <rootnode> -ixelp-: thanks for mentioning CLIM. So far I was only aware of CLOG

15:06 <bike> ixelp is a robot, just so you know.

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15:08 <rootnode> Oh, sorry, misread that

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