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<paulapatience> What's the difference between FDEFINITION and SYMBOL-FUNCTION?
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<bike> paulapatience: symbol-function only accepts symbols. that's it.
<paulapatience> In other words, FDEFINITION can accept (SETF NAME)s and SYMBOL-FUNCTION can't?
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<bike> correct.
<paulapatience> Thanks
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<Gleefre> beach: re conformance of the "" nickname for the KEYWORD package: I think I found a passage in the hyperspec that explicitely prohibits that.
<Gleefre> ::clhs 11.1.2
<ixelp> CLHS: Section 11.1.2
<Gleefre> Figure 11-2 lists all the nicknames of the KEYWORD package - none.
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<beach> Perfect!
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<beach> And I am fairly convinced that :mumble and ||:mumble should be the same.
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<beach> The expert on this question would be scymtym, since he is the author of Eclector.
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<Gleefre> Well, the reader algorithm does seem to say that it is going to be read as a token ":MUMBLE" which would be then parsed as a keyword, the same way as :mumble.
<Gleefre> But, to be honest, I'd prefer to have a way to read symbols in the package named "" instead.
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<beach> Yes, I see.
<Gleefre> I wonder if I can find something in SBCL's source code comments...
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<ixelp> 0.8.0.72: · sbcl/sbcl@1247843 · GitHub
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<Gleefre> It seems that CMUCL has accidentally (back)ported this from SBCL [ this commit, it seems: https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/cmucl/cmucl/-/commit/4958e03bfa7d043768be3397f8ecac31dbe750ff ]
<ixelp> o Fix the float printer to print correctly: (4958e03b) · Commits · cmucl / cmucl · GitLab
<Gleefre> Oh, that's interesting, there is a comment about it in CCL's source code (but no commit history it seems): https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/blob/master/level-1/l1-reader.lisp#L2384-L2389
<ixelp> ccl/level-1/l1-reader.lisp at master · Clozure/ccl · GitHub
<Gleefre> > MCL's reader has historically treated ||:foo as a reference to the symbol FOO in the package which has the null string as its name. Some other implementations treat it as a keyword.
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<beach> Interesting!
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<Gleefre> I have revisited my old draft for the Package-Local Nicknames extension, here's the link: https://gleefre.github.io/cdr-package-local-nicknames/index.html. Any feedback would be welcome!
<ixelp> PLN CDR draft: index
<Gleefre> There are 9 unresolved standardization issues at the moment, and all of them have at least one suggested resolution. Input on those would be particularly helpful.
<Gleefre> [ P.S. I'm planning to also share the link on implementation-dependent IRC channels as well as on the SBCL-DEVEL mailing list. I have also shared it on the Lisp Discord server. Is there any suggestions on other places to share the link (maybe other mailing lists)? ]
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<beach> The Lisp Pro mailing list.
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<Shinmera> reddit.com/r/lisp
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<paulapatience> Gleefre: Just formatting, but in issue 1's ELIMINATE-GENERALIZED-BOOLEAN, BOOLEAN is subscripted
<paulapatience> And there's an "alwyas" typo right below that
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<Gleefre> beach, Shinmera: thanks for suggestions, will post there as well!
<Gleefre> paulapatience: fixed!
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<mwnaylor> Starting to get the hang of `defpackage'. It helps that I have installed the Common Lisp yasnippets for emacs.
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<mwnaylor> I am running slime. Backend is Steel Bank Common Lisp. C-c C-z jumps from a *.lisp source buffer to the linked slime repl. Is there a command (w/ key binding) that jumps from the repl back to the source buffer?
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<ixelp> slime-selector (SLIME User Manual, version 2.24)
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<mwnaylor> That got me partway there. Now I need to (info "slime").
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<thuna`> Is there a rationale behind what returns nil and what returns (values)? SLEEP for example would make more sense as (values) rather than nil, yet it returns nil. There are some other weird cases as well AFAIR.
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