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<aadcg>
what's the difference between BSD and Unix domain sockets? what are the differences between usocket, iolib and cl-sipc?
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<pkal>
Aren't BSD sockets regular TCP/UDP/... sockets or socket API and Unix domain sockets are special kinds of files?
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<aadcg>
pkal: you are correct. what I understood is that the term is sometimes used loosely. for instance, sb-bsd-socket (despite the name) also supports unix domain sockets.
<aadcg>
also, to my suprise, usockets supports unix domain sockets (at least on SBCL)
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<rainthree>
https://adeht.org/dump/vid-2022-03-07T1352.mp4 scymtym: what libraries and/or approaches would you recommend for doing web pages in common lisp? (when such a necessity arises...)
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<wbooze>
wbooze: cl-who, drakma, hunchentoot
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<scymtym>
rainthree: i guess it depends on the use-case. but it seems you are mistaking me for _death who is probably the creator of that demo
<rainthree>
oh, I forgot it's death_'s video; all insights from anyone, are welcome.
<rainthree>
I like reblocks (weblocks) a bit but I don't know why I felt it is a bit messy with all that logging spreaded all over the code (couldn't find an easy way to turn it off), and package-inferred-system. I saw this clog demo and I am not sure how good it is performance-wise (responsiveness-wise) http://clogpower.com
<rainthree>
my use case is something like an online shop for example
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<rainthree>
clobber as the database, since it proved quite stable in my experiments (in which I evolved classes, by adding/removing slots and methods, as the application evolved)
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<beach>
This ↑ is amazing progress in my opinion. I encourage y'all to watch it.
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<craigbro>
scymtym: nice work!
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<scymtym>
craigbro: thanks
<craigbro>
the parsed dep tracking is impressive. It brings alot of capabitlies that LSPs bring that were not possible with the text + repl interfaces
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<beach>
craigbro: Me and scymtym have a long history of me doing a half-assed attempt at something that I think is kind of OK, and then scymtym spends an order or magnitude more work to do it right, which I hadn't imagined was even necessary.
<beach>
The half-assed SICL reader turned into Eclector. The half-assed Clouseau inspect turned into a great CLIM-based inspector (with the same name), and the incremental parsing technique I designed for Second Climacs (presented at ELS) turned out to be way more involved, so scymtym again did it right.
<beach>
s/inspect/inspector/
<craigbro>
beach: tell me you were a PI at a university without telling me you were a PI at university
<craigbro>
hehehe
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<craigbro>
I am digging into SICL as I re-acquaint myself with CL after a decade away, it's a compelling project
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<beach>
Private Investigator?
* beach
is off to spend time with his (admittedly small) family.
<bike>
at least in the US, usually meaning the head of an academic lab, with grad student minions
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<craigbro>
yah, that was my meaning.
<bike>
you made me laugh, at least
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<dbotton>
scymtym very cool
<scymtym>
dbotton: thanks
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<dbotton>
raintree CLOG is as responsive as any framework (more so for interactive apps) it as about your design choices, when designing "web pages" you approach the design by using Lisp tools you normal use for web pages and just "attach" to elements you need interactivity too.
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