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<LispTyro> hmm, wasn't there a beginner's cl channel, like #clhelp or #lisphelp or something?
<LispTyro> beach: I remember chatting with you in such a channel :)
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<beach> #clschool
<LispTyro> ahh
<LispTyro> thank you
<beach> Sure.
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<rootnode> Oh god, I already thought macros are powerful, but I just had my first run-in with a macro that generates macros. Somehow that was not on my radar at all
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<bjorkintosh> it's all just text, rootnode :-)
<yitzi> rootnoode: You've taken your first step into a larger world.
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<rootnode> for some reason I have never checked that possibility. Now I am asking myself how deep that can go.
<bjorkintosh> rootnode: all the way down. but how manageable would it be, is what you should be asking.
<rootnode> I only ask if I could, never if I should :D
<bjorkintosh> do it for science.
<rootnode> "there be dragons"
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<bjorkintosh> rootnode: good news! dragons are mythical (except where applicable). s/dragons/myths
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<mesaoptimizer> wow, why is Lispworks so expensive
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<_death> there are many free CL implementations, and since this is libera nontechnical discussion of nonfree implementations is offtopic
<aeth> supply and demand though
<aeth> commercial software can only be cheap if there's a mass market (the most prominent of which is probably games, or app store apps)... they have to (or at least aspire to) pay at least one salary, after all
<edgar-rft> mesaoptimizer: a) aeth's mass market argument and b) you usually only pay money if you want to use their custom libraries plus personal consulting
<mesaoptimizer> I see, thanks.
<edgar-rft> mesaoptimizer: there are many Common Lisp implemenations you can use for free -> https://www.cliki.net/Common%20Lisp%20implementation
<ixelp> CLiki: Common Lisp implementation
<mesaoptimizer> Oh, I am using SBCL via roswell right now
<mesaoptimizer> I asked about Lispworks because I was looking into the differences between SLIME and sly (I use sly right now), and stumbled upon some discussion about LispWorks.
<aeth> edgar-rft: an interesting point that you almost hinted at is that software consulting is commercial software when the market size approaches 1
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