<paulapatience>
I don't know if it expands the default search paths though
<dbotton>
=>NIL
<_death>
dbotton: quicklisp maintains an index of the local projects, so can list them easily, but asdf does not.. if you know the name of a system you can use asdf:locate-system to get the pathname of the asd file
<dbotton>
I do not, I want to get a list of where asdf would search had I given it a name
<dbotton>
for this I do not have quicklisp available
<dbotton>
so not looking promising
<dbotton>
the idea _death is I want to know locations I can stick things
<dbotton>
so that leaves just ~/common-lisp
<dbotton>
or the other "standard" options even though there may be more
<dbotton>
thanks
<_death>
as asdf:*system-definition-search-functions* should make clear, there is no simple rule
<NotThatRPG>
_death: Actually, Fare changed things so that ASDF precomputes system locations, so you might be able to get a list of available systems. Or at least available system *definitions*, since ASD files may have multiple systems in them.
<NotThatRPG>
dbotton: if you ever work on > 1 CL project at a time, then using ~/common-lisp/ may not be for you. I do, and definitely have projects that use different versions of libraries...
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<_death>
NotThatRPG: I see
<dbotton>
Ya but where is that list :)
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<dbotton>
NotThatRPG that is exactly what I am working around
<NotThatRPG>
I'm not necessarily a fan of this: it worked well for Fare's use case where ITA had an enormous set of systems, but for me I rarely find that pre-caching pays off versus me possibly introducing new systems on the fly
<NotThatRPG>
dbotton: I feel your pain. I have a half-finished patch that introduces more traceable functions to try to make it easier to see what ASDF is doing when it searches for systems.
<NotThatRPG>
I'd recommend you *never* *never* use environment variables or config files. I helped several people at my company who had done this and forgotten they had, and it created no end of confusion.
<NotThatRPG>
I try to keep all my configuration in lisp files and none in environment variables or conf files.
<dbotton>
agreed
<_death>
NotThatRPG: so where is that index?
<NotThatRPG>
Let's see: there is `*registered-systems*`, and ...
<_death>
well, asdf:registered-systems gives me a list of the systems that are already loaded..
<_death>
and the latter variable holds a list a function to be called when looking for a system.. I guess there could be a function that uses a precomputed index to find a system
<_death>
*a list of functions
<NotThatRPG>
and `(asdf-cache)`
<NotThatRPG>
That variable holds a list of functions which lets quicklisp hook things.
<NotThatRPG>
The problem with the variable -- although as I said, it's handy for hooking -- is that it makes tracking down what actually happens during search more difficult
<NotThatRPG>
I believe there's a hash table of directories *somewhere*, but I'm sorry, I can't find it atm
<craigbro>
it's more complicated than just alist of dirs, it's a set of registries, and registry dirs
<_death>
NotThatRPG: maybe you're talking about (asdf/source-registry:default-user-source-registry)
<craigbro>
yah, was just starting an sbcl to look that up..
<craigbro>
asdf:*default-source-registries* contains a list of them, user is just one
<_death>
NotThatRPG: but I wouldn't rely on that.. e.g., I don't have ~/common-lisp ;)
<NotThatRPG>
Looks like you want to look at the definition of sysdef-source-registry-search
<NotThatRPG>
_death: Yes, try looking at asdf/source-registry::*source-registry* -- I *think* that will give you what you need.
<NotThatRPG>
Sorry -- I have to run now.
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<_death>
in my case it holds the systems gathered from default-system-source-registry, because that directory happens to exist
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<beach>
char: INTEGER was not created using DEFCLASS.
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<Gleefre>
_death: re: keyword:not-interned Actually, it seems like the standard doesn't say anything about a new symbol being interned in this case. For example when a CLISP bug about that was opened, it was marked invalid for that reason: https://sourceforge.net/p/clisp/bugs/501/
<ixelp>
CLISP - an ANSI Common Lisp / Bugs / #501 keywords prefixed with the KEYWORD package not exported
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<ym>
Shinmera, hi. Did you avoid supporting 8bit BMP in your cl-bmp intentionally?
<Shinmera>
no
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* JuanDaugherty
was surprised to see babylon on quickdocs, thx phoe
<JuanDaugherty>
(assuming ur thephoeron)
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<_death>
Gleefre: again, I've not looked at clhs about that, but the response doesn't take into consideration :foo vs. ::foo
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<_death>
clhs 2.3.5
<_death>
according to that section ::foo has unspecified consequences and keyword:foo is analogous to foo:bar
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<_death>
so sbcl is just being nice about it
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<Gleefre>
Yeah, something like that.
<Gleefre>
One could say that SBCL is not standard compliant here, as keyword:bar is not a special syntax for a keyword, so it is treated the same as foo:bar -- and in this case, new symbols should not be interned into the package.
<Gleefre>
And FIND-SYMBOL does not behave differently for the keyword package.
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<yottabyte>
I forgot the function that tells me the type of an object... like if I were to call it on '(1 2 3) it would return list or whatever
<beach>
,(type-of '(1 2 3))
<ixelp>
(type-of '(1 2 3)) => CONS
<Farooq>
beach, as always, very helpful :)
<yottabyte>
ah yes, thanks
<beach>
Pleasure.
<Farooq>
I haven't come to rewrite my software in CL, yet. I should first write a minimal implementation to check if the performance is really superior
<beach>
What is the software and what is it currently written in?
<Farooq>
Rust, It's about Evolutionary Computation. Specificly, Linear Genetic Programming
<beach>
I see.
<Farooq>
The goal is finding an optimal linear program, a sequence of instructions, which can do wake word detection with high accuracy
<Farooq>
We had a discussion about it before. Remember?
<beach>
Me? Remembering things? Hasn't happened since I was 15.
<Farooq>
The original type of GP is Tree based which originally was operating on Lisp S expressions
<Farooq>
Then a researcher introduced Stack based which had superior performance for some problems, again with Lisp
<Farooq>
But now, after like 40-50 years, most researchers don't use Lisp
<Farooq>
Or perhaps all researchers
<beach>
Right, people go to a lot of trouble to avoid learning Common Lisp.
<Farooq>
yeah you exactly said this the previous time
<beach>
But maybe not everyone here now was here then. :)
<Farooq>
xD
<Farooq>
Do you think I will get superior performance with SBCL? Do you have a guess?
<Farooq>
Currently I have like thousands of programs which I interpret them in Rust
<beach>
Me? No, I don't know Rust, so I have no idea.
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<Farooq>
I define a Vector of variables, named registers, then I read one instructions at a time and apply whatever operation it is on the registers. there is also a PC variable, program counter to keep track of program ending and forward only jumps
<Farooq>
But if I use Lisp, I will have a function and tell SBCL to evaluate it. SBCL will compile and execute it
<Farooq>
Really curious to see the performance will be superior or not
<beach>
Yeah, sounds like an interesting experiment.
<yottabyte>
Farooq: there are too many factors. is your program slow currently? are you rewriting it to try to get better performance, or because you think lisp is better suited for the task at hand?
<Farooq>
I both think it is better suited for the task and that I might get superior performance
<Farooq>
BTW, I also have sent a proposal for my GP research to NLnet in the hope that they will fund my project
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<yottabyte>
I know people commonly use Rust to get high performance, so perhaps if it is slow, you might have inefficiencies in your code. or it's just a computationally expensive problem
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<Farooq>
It's not slow
<Farooq>
my computer is slow
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<Farooq>
BTW, SBCL and Rust have both very good performance on general tasks
<yottabyte>
right
<Farooq>
if you use static typing in SBCL and tell it to maximize speed and minimize safety
<Farooq>
DECLAIM
<_death>
if you run a program many times, it may be beneficial to compile it first
<Farooq>
_death, the point is that, a single program won't be run more than once. Nevertheless, segments of programs sure will
<Farooq>
For instance there is crossover, get a half from this and a half from that and generate a new program, or individual in the population
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<Farooq>
Or mutation, change like 0.01 of instructions in a program to something new
<_death>
if you run it once, then it still depends on what it does.. so try let us know ;)
<Farooq>
yeah
<Farooq>
Does SBCL cache compiled stuff?
<Farooq>
Like I give it 500 instructions, then the next time another 500 instructions but like 10% of it different
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<Shinmera>
Added a nifty feature to parachute: you can now add :defun T to a test definition to define a function that will call TEST on that test for you.
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* beach
fails to understand.
<Shinmera>
previously (parachute:define-test foo ...) you'd have to invoke via (parachute:test 'foo) (or similar). Now with (parachute:define-test foo :defun T ...) you can invoke it via (foo)
<beach>
I see. Thanks.
<Shinmera>
things are a bit more complicated due to the fact that tests in parachute aren't named by symbols, but rather strings belonging to a home package
<Shinmera>
(this is done so you can't accidentally overwrite a test if you name it via, say, cl:find or whatever)
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<beach>
Last time I looked, strings didn't belong to any package at all.
<Shinmera>
yes that's why tests are named by "strings which belong to a package" as in, in order to resolve a test, you need to pass a string name and a package.
<Shinmera>
when defining a test those are taken from the symbol you pass and the current value of *package*
<beach>
That makes a little more sense to me. But I am probably just too tired to fully understand just about anything tonight. I should just go watch TV with my (admittedly small) family.
<Shinmera>
haha, enjoy then!
<Shinmera>
I'm just biding my time in the hospital anyway
<beach>
Oh? Did I miss something?
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<Shinmera>
I had sex reassignment surgery last monday
<Shinmera>
I should be discharged tomorrow, finally
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<beach>
Oh, I see. Good luck!
<Shinmera>
thanks!
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<varjag>
how do i make sbcl's trace stop printing package qualifiers on symbols in the output?
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<mwnaylor>
untrace?
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<mwnaylor>
nevermind, you want less information while still tracing.
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<paulapatience>
varjag: Set *PACKAGE* appropriately
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<varjag>
paulapatience: it is set appropriately
<varjag>
entry point names are printed correctly but not symbols in arglists
<varjag>
actually exits only are printed correctly
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