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<yottabyte>
trying to (ql:quickload "alexandria") I get the error: ALEXANDRIA is a nickname for the package ALEXANDRIA.1.0.0 [Condition of type SB-KERNEL:SIMPLE-PACKAGE-ERROR]. anyone ever see this before?
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<yottabyte>
I had to update quicklisp but I guess I had to restart emacs/slime as well. doing that did the trick
<bike>
yeah i would guess that error means you already had alexandria loaded (possibly a different version)
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<yottabyte>
kind of off-topic question, but what are some of your opinions on magit? I've always just used git in a terminal
<paulapatience>
I have forgotten most git commands because I just use magit instead
<paulapatience>
If you are already using Emacs, I very strongly recommend you learn magit
<yottabyte>
is it hard to learn?
<paulapatience>
There are popup menus for almost everything, so you can quite easily just follow along
<yottabyte>
I tried it briefly the other day, it was creating buffers left and right, I got overwhelmed haha
<yottabyte>
but yeah, I should watch a tutorial or something
<paulapatience>
It is funny, because in my research group I am the one most knowledgeable in git, but when I have to help others, I end up looking up the git CLI commands
<yottabyte>
right
<craigbro>
yottabyte: was in similiar place for years, then last year I dug into magit, the transient menus make learning it easier. big improvemet in quality of my PRs.
<beach>
I think the idea of magit is a good one, but I would much prefer a CLIM-based application that has more clickable stuff for people like me who can't remember keyboard combinations that are rarely used.
<paulapatience>
You can also interact with GitHub directly from within magit
<craigbro>
when you get to things like staging specific chunks, or reverting them, and breaking up commits better by topic/goal
<beach>
yottabyte: It is easier if you use magit in its own Emacs frame.
<craigbro>
beach: C-h m in the magit window will bring up transient menus
<craigbro>
and show you all the keys, and walk you thru them
<beach>
craigbro: Sure, but the explanations are not always understandable to me.
<craigbro>
then I'm sure buttons will make a difference....
<beach>
I suppose that depends on how they are made.
<beach>
I am also thinking CLIM-application for future integration with the IDE that is being worked on.
<craigbro>
you keep changing your story... whatevs
<beach>
craigbro: I should be quiet. Thanks for your help though.
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<craigbro>
looking forward to seeing that IDE
<beach>
Great! Progress is being made, but there are a lot of things to do.
<craigbro>
beach: sorry, my comment was overly snarky and was not meant to dissuade, you can always express your opinion
<beach>
craigbro: Don't worry about it.
<craigbro>
beach: link to project?
<beach>
It's not that simple. scymtym has been working on a few libraries that will be used in the editor, like text.editing and incrementalist. They both use the Cluffer library. There is no IDE repository yet.
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<craigbro>
yottabyte: sorry, I was wrong, ? is the key that brings up the top level transient menu
<craigbro>
yottabyte: if you have any questions about it, feel free to ask.
<beach>
craigbro: And I hope the Common Boot library will be used to analyze code. That library uses Iconoclast which uses s-expression-syntax, etc. *sigh*.
<yottabyte>
gotcha, thank you
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<beach>
Sure.
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<agm>
hello everyone, on a recent sbcl evaluating (print-object "hi" *standard-output*) returns #\" to me, does anyone know why? on clisp it returns the string "hi"
<ixelp>
CLHS: Standard Generic Function PRINT-OBJECT
<beach>
It is supposed to return the object that is its first argument.
<yitzi>
Some implementations aren't careful about that, b.c. nobody really uses that feature.
<beach>
On the other hand, you are not supposed to call it directly.
<yitzi>
For example, CCL returns NIL.
<beach>
,(print-object "hi" *standard-output*)
<ixelp>
"hi" => NIL
<beach>
Indeed.
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<yitzi>
It returning the object according to the spec is probably just an implementation convience so that it can be the last call in WRITE, PRINT, etc
<beach>
Yeah.
<yitzi>
Did they even stick around for answer?
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<beach>
Hmm.
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<beach>
yottabyte: It is the only one I know of that is pure Common Lisp.
<_death>
well, ltk for example also doesn't require ffi
<beach>
yottabyte: Otherwise, I haven't compared it to others.
<beach>
yottabyte: But I imagine it would be hard to implement something as essential in CLIM as presentations and presentation types in a statically typed language.
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<beach>
_death: So did they define a wire protocol for communication?
<_death>
beach: it talks to a tcl process..
<yitzi>
I'm a little curious about CLIM and Wayland though. The last time I looked the in-progress Wayland backend used FFI.
<beach>
_death: I see.
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<beach>
yottabyte: I am thinking ahead of a "Lisp operating system" that would either not have any way of running C code, or in which it would be as hard to communicate with C code as it is in Unix-like operating systems. That's why I avoid FFI-based solutions.
<beach>
yitzi: That doesn't sound great in effect. I know very little about Wayland to know what solutions are available.
<yitzi>
cmack: Are you around? I recall that you were working on the wayland backend for CLIM. Does it use CFFI?
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<beach>
As I recall, gilberth is working on a server that would move things like glyph rendering from the application to the server. Wayland would then be used through that server. But gilberth could probably explain better.
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<yottabyte>
beach: like Mezanno?
<yottabyte>
mazzano*
<yottabyte>
mezzano**. I can't type
<beach>
yottabyte: A bit more ambitious, with multiple first-class global environments.
<beach>
Otherwise, yes, same idea.
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<cmack>
yitzi: I'm back. And yes, it's using FFI for wayland, EGL, and OpenGL
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<yitzi>
Thanks
<craigbro>
I always took the tendency towards language purity to be a antipattern
<craigbro>
when I see the same conversations about pure CL envs from 25 years ago, it re-enforces that
<yitzi>
The desire to avoid CFFI is a little deeper then language purity.
<craigbro>
but, the conversations are not determinant of outcomes, the hacking output is, so certainly appreciate people working with those principles
<yitzi>
huh?
<craigbro>
tldr; hack for great win, and then the fact that the goal was unsolved for a couple decades is moot..
<craigbro>
yitzi: what drives that desire to avoid CFFI?
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<cmack>
Yes, I'd love to have lisp all the way down but the graphics that I want to do pretty much necessitates me to use FFI in today's world.
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<craigbro>
cmack: which project is this?
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<yitzi>
craigbro: language impedence and memory allocation, i.e. garbage collection...from my perspective.
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<cmack>
craigbro: the wayland client backend for mcclim right now...so that I can try writing a mcclim based opengl app. Lots of yaks have lined up for shaving.
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<yottabyte>
beach: wow, more ambitious than mezzano? I thought that was a very ambitious project. the development of it seems to have halted though
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<beach>
yottabyte: froggey is still around, but I don't know what the plans for Mezzano are.
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<beach>
yottabyte: A Lisp operating system can be as "little" as a bootable Common Lisp system.
<beach>
craigbro: My motivation is the fact that C compilers explore the standard to maximize performance while sacrificing safety. Luckily, the Common Lisp culture is the opposite.
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<beach>
craigbro: Plus, Unix-like operating systems (including all "modern" ones) make it very difficult for applications to collaborate, so performance suffers and code becomes more complicated than it ought to be.
<beach>
craigbro: So, as yitzi says, it is not about language purity at all.
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<beach>
craigbro: Genera shows that the problem we are attacking is not unsolved. But Genera is not very well adapted to the current situation of the Internet.
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<yottabyte>
Is Genera still around?
<yottabyte>
And what problem are you referring to?
<craigbro>
I read those reasons (compiler design goal, impendance between ABI/Mem models etc... as language purity. Perhaps purity is taken to have some irrational connotation? I did not intend that.
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<Shinmera>
Last I talked to froggey she didn't have any plans to continue working on mezzano.
<yottabyte>
omg why?
<Shinmera>
Lack of interest. The things left to do that would be cool to have (like graphics drivers) are humongous projects that aren't really feasible to tackle
<Shinmera>
And she's more interested in the low level systems stuff than the high level lisp stuff, afaiu
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<yottabyte>
I see. what are graphic drivers?
<Shinmera>
drivers that talk to gpus
<yottabyte>
oh wow
<yottabyte>
Shinmera: are you the most prolific common lisper in the world?
<Shinmera>
what the heck does that mean
<yottabyte>
you write more CL than anyone else
<Shinmera>
but even without knowing what that means the answer is no
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<yottabyte>
I mean the sheer volume of libraries/repos you've made is incredible
<Shinmera>
I guess
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<Shinmera>
But even then idunno. Very possible that stas or doug or other folks have more loc/impact/whatever
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<Shinmera>
Certainly for instance Xach's contributions are far more impactful
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<yottabyte>
I see
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<yottabyte>
I use quicklisp exclusively, I haven't tried like ultralisp or some of the alternatives, but one criticism I hear about quicklisp is that it's not updated frequently enough. I, too, have run into the same issue, leading me to manually update packages
<yottabyte>
is quicklisp going to be replaced by something else in the future, or is it here to stay?
<Shinmera>
ultralisp is just a quicklisp dist
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<yottabyte>
oh
<Shinmera>
clpm is its own thing, but pretty much everything will use the quicklisp index in some form
<skin>
I have enjoyed using ocicl
<skin>
I think it's much easier to use and more stable than either qlot or clpm
<Shinmera>
I've been working on a thing that can replicate the quicklisp dist from its index to provide a "quickerlisp" dist (haw haw) but haven't completed the work
<skin>
also it "just works" on windows which is crazy
<skin>
I have to remember to turn quicklisp off when running ros though with +Q
<zyd>
novaspec does its search via js, despite that is there any way to add it as a search engine in firefox?
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<skin>
An interesting idea.
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<skin>
I would actually probably use the HyperSpec for that. Then I would add a custom search engine in firefox with `https://google.com/search?q=site:clhs.lisp.se+%s` as the query string
<skin>
Hmmm. Let me try that. (I'm on qute browser)
<skin>
Yeah, that works pretty well. https://api.onedrive.com/v1.0/shares/u!aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL2kvcyFBb0FPYVI2ZFlQOFJnYndNWWl2UHdKNWdMTEVJYXc/root/content
<zyd>
skin: I currently use xach's search tool to quickly look up symbols by typing `-clhs with-open-file` in the address bar. It'd be nice to use the fancy looking novaspec though
<zyd>
All you have to do is go to the search you want, example: https://0x0.st/XcBg.png (though if you had this irc log make sure to set an early search range, more convenient)
<zyd>
s/had/add/
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<craigbro>
wow, just checking out lem, it's quite nice. anyone using it as a daily driver?
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<skin>
I thought about it, but I'm pretty comfortable in neovim. I would have a hard time switching to that editor just for one of my languages.
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<yottabyte>
why would you use lem over emacs craigbro? genuine question, I've never used lem
<craigbro>
writing extension in CL, primarily, and in working in a modern CL runtime
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<paulapatience>
I think a few people are
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<craigbro>
heh, seems like my workstation being nixos is going to be the biggest hassle
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<skin>
I couldn't get behind nix myself. I'm back to good old fedora.
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<craigbro>
nix is an easy overlay, but nixos is a bit more of a commitment.
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<Noisytoot>
I prefer GNU Guix
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<bjorkintosh>
I'm not sure what the advantage of guix or nix is, and I'm afraid to ask at this point.
<craigbro>
declarative, functional system definition, with dependency isolation, and a huge collections of packages/modules.
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<aeth>
"dependency isolation" meaning that (I think) everything is installed on its own thing instead of having a big /usr/share/
<craigbro>
yup, which is what makes things like quicklisp and dynld a bit more complex
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<aeth>
docker/podman, flatpack, snap, qubes, nix/guix... similar sorts of motivation behind these.
<aeth>
very different implementations
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