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<jmercouris>
Is the ASDF central registry no longer respected?
<jmercouris>
I pushed a directory to the central registry in which Alexandria is located
<jmercouris>
and then did a (asdf:load-system :alexandria) and it is unable to find it
<gilberth>
Yes, or just refuse to find it. This happened to me the other night.
<jmercouris>
Must I use the `CL_SOURCE_REGISTRY` instead?
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<gilberth>
I read about the configuration DSL and realized that to make ASDF look somewhere else you need to touch files. It appears there is no means anymore to alter the list of places it looks for asd files from within Lisp modulo patching ASDF.
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<jmercouris>
OK, so yes
<gilberth>
jmercouris: I don't know. I gave up.
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<gilberth>
It's a pain when you have some program and want to make sure that very specific versions of systems are loaded that you carefully put aside for just this program.
<jmercouris>
Yes, that is precisely what I am doing
<jmercouris>
and I'm looking at my old code how it was done in Nyxt, and I can't for the life of me remember
<gilberth>
I used to forcefully set asdf:*central-registry* to just the directories of that copies. But it seems that ASDF looks elsewhere first.
<jmercouris>
that's not even my problem, I have nowhere Alexandria on my system
<jmercouris>
it isn't even looking in the only folder I am telling it to look
<gilberth>
You traced PROBE-FILE, OPEN, and DIRECTORY? It really doesn't look?
<jmercouris>
I didn't trace those, no
<jmercouris>
I guess I don't know that it doesn't look, but it certainly doesn't find it
<jmercouris>
it throws up an error saying that it can't find it
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<gilberth>
Hmm. But you pointed it to a directory with a copy it should have found?
<gilberth>
This where I want old mk:defsystem behavior back. You could CL:LOAD the .system file an mk:defsystem then would just use that and not look anywhere else.
<jmercouris>
that's correct
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<paulapatience>
CL_SOURCE_REGISTRY works fine for me
<paulapatience>
The central registry is deprecated, but I don't know if it was removed
<gilberth>
But that's an environment variable.
<jmercouris>
perhaps because I am using a special build directory _build
<jmercouris>
It is an environment variable, but I am OK with anything at this point...
<gilberth>
Can't change it from within a running Lisp. Or override it.
<paulapatience>
There's something like asdf:initialize-source-registry which you can manually call
<paulapatience>
It might not be the exact name, I can't remember
<gilberth>
That needs files as well last time I looked (and unless I missed something).
<paulapatience>
You can pass it the same DSL that CL_SOURCE_REGISTRY accepts
<Alfr>
gilberth, initialize-source-registry takes an optional argument, a source-registry configuration.
<bike>
there's also load-asd.
<Alfr>
gilberth, so, you don't necessarily have to modify files.
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<gilberth>
Alfr: OK. That configuration is an s-expr?
<paulapatience>
Yed
<paulapatience>
Yes
<Alfr>
gilberth, yes.
<paulapatience>
CL_SOURCE_REGISTRY accepts the s-expr but also the colon separated syntax
<jmercouris>
isn't that the whole point of a search path? to look in subdirs?
<jmercouris>
will I need to specify every single dependency into the search path?
<gilberth>
Place symlinks.
<jmercouris>
I don't believe symlinks will be portable for people cloning the repository
<jmercouris>
You are right though, if point ALL THE WAY to the dependency, it is OK
<gilberth>
Hmm.
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<Alfr>
gilberth, on recursive search: Both, there's a :directory and a :tree directive.
<jmercouris>
I use the directory directive within my ~/.common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/ configuration
<jmercouris>
OK well, I have a good enough *for now* solution, I don't want to muck with this, I just want to program
<jmercouris>
thanks for the help
<gilberth>
All I personally want is to have a means from within Lisp to load a very specific copy of a system at know where it is. Why is that made to hard? I am grateful for the pointers mention, but it appears like I still need to read the manual and learn that DSL.
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* gilberth
cannot write and blames caffeine deficit.
<jmercouris>
gilberth: I am with you 100%
<jmercouris>
that is a huge pain point of mine, especially because I don't want a common world for all dependencies
<jmercouris>
this is why I was inquiring about CLPM and another user mentioned to me OSICL
<gilberth>
Yes, and I have code that is in "production" so to speak with all dependencies put aside.
<jmercouris>
yes, I cannot risk versions changing out from under my feet, regardless of how "stable" the API is
<gilberth>
And I don't want random updates or versions of dependencies creep in.
<jmercouris>
YES, EXACTLY
<metsomedog>
this has been working for me for adding systems from .asd of the current project: (let ((path *default-pathname-defaults*)) (push path asdf:*central-registry*)) ; but in my case it's still loading other systems like alexandria installed from guix though, from their respective install directories
<metsomedog>
^ the path that is added is the same as the location of the .asd file in the snippet above
<jmercouris>
Right, I get that
<metsomedog>
you are the nyxt dev right? I guess you are more experienced with these things ^^
<jmercouris>
Yes, a little ;-)
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<paulapatience>
jmercouris: I was away so I don't know if you fixed it, but try with //
<paulapatience>
After a path
<paulapatience>
That makes it descend recursively
<paulapatience>
If I remember correctly
<paulapatience>
(In CL_SOURCE_REGISTRY)
<jmercouris>
paulapatience: I see, that in fact does it, thank you
<paulapatience>
The rest of the DSL is: an empty colon puts the default there
<paulapatience>
I don't remember if a single slash is required for plain directories, though I think I put them just in case
<paulapatience>
Another solution for dependency pinning is qlot
<jmercouris>
I would think that "*" would be more obvious for recursing
<paulapatience>
What I do is have a qlot file and I actually wrote a custom minimal downloader, which downloads the deps into an ext/ dir
<paulapatience>
And I just put the ext into CL_SOURCE_REGISTRY
<jmercouris>
seems we are all reinventing the wheel...
<paulapatience>
Yes lol. I have just reused qlot's file syntax, because I don't want to have to depend on it. And I just bundle the minimal downloader with my projects
<paulapatience>
Makes it pretty easy to build even on Windows, because SBCL is installable via winget
<paulapatience>
I tried using CLPM but ran into some issues on OpenBSD
<paulapatience>
Where I was unable to compile it
<paulapatience>
Loading it was fine but took a few seconds
<paulapatience>
I have not yet tried ocicl
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