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<Core3645>
hello
<pranav>
Hi Core3645
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<Core3645>
haha yeah I need change my name
<Core3645>
I'm dio
<Core3645>
but I think you figured
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<pranav>
Core3645: I think you can search the log of this channel (at https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp) to know what people find problematic with Land of Lisp as an introduction to Lisp.
<beach>
I hope to have the energy to read the rest one day.
<holycow>
okay so i am the target of land of lisp
<holycow>
and here is the reality of that page: it is written by someone that has no clue how to teach noobs to program
<holycow>
that entire page can be waved away as nonsense even if it is 100% correct
<holycow>
becuase land of lisp does something no one else in the community managed to do: sell the idea of programming in common lisp as fun
<holycow>
the pedantry on that page is a fantastic example of the phenomenon of really smart people being really dumb. high iq is not what people think it is, particularly in areas that deal with math and logic.
<Core3645>
yeah I think the problems mentioned on the page aren't a big deal they are nice to know and everything. I wonder if they were sent the author's way for correction
<pranav>
holycow: I think most of those errors can be corrected without taking away the fun.
<Core3645>
but the again I'm a beginner idk know much
<holycow>
i think LOL had a page dedicated to updates, fixes and changes as well. i don't know where it is though, the mailing least is obviously not active any longer.
<beach>
I spent several decades teaching newbies to program, but I guess I must have failed miserably.
<holycow>
oh, that is your page!
<holycow>
okay i stand corrected and acknowledge that statement is wrong and insulting.
<holycow>
my apologies
<beach>
pranav: Exactly! There is no incorrect terminology does not make it more fun.
<beach>
Er...
<holycow>
i read the book and did about 50% of it
<beach>
There is no reason to think that incorrect terminology makes it more fun.
<holycow>
that is just pedantry and deliberately missess what LOL brings to the ecosystem.
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<Core3645>
I'm going to read land of lisp and just keep in mind some of the inaccuracies in terminology.
<beach>
Core3645: Oh, but you risk making it less fun then.
<Core3645>
I tried a bit of clojure and Janet before this so some of the concepts and terminology I get.
<beach>
Core3645: Are you new to Common Lisp?
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<Core3645>
I really wanted to see. land of lisp as an introduction to common lisp from a game dev perspective which I have been trying to get into
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<holycow>
congratulations jackdaniel
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<jackdaniel>
thanks!
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<boogsbunny>
Has anyone combined clack with snooze before? I have this issue where the clack middleware runs last instead of before the app/routes.
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<alcor>
SLIME's C-c x aka `slime-export-symbol-at-point' does not seem to deal with out-of-buffer (defpackage …) forms well. Is there any workaround for this?
<alcor>
To add some context: I split large packages into multiple files, with the (defpackage …) form being in a separate file. Logically, the exports should be then declared in the file containing the (defpackage …) form.
<alcor>
What SLIME does in this case seem to be as follows: It grabs the first form in the buffer and splices an (:export …) into it :/
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<bitspook>
TIL. Looks like Sly handles it well.
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<ldb>
goodmorning
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<Dio>
morning ldb
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