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<seok> Is it just me or is reading c# source pretty horrible?
<seok> I'm jumping everywhere to figure out what each function does while reading a definition of an object, before even trying to figure out how that object is used
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<rendar> every list when evaluated, the first name is the function name, and the rest are the fn args.. but what about in designing some function like the unix command line, where you have optional arguments out from the main list arguments, e.g. consider this: (rm file1 file2 ..) there is some way in CL to specify optinoals args such as (rm --force file1 file2...) ?
<rendar> what you think about having oob data for each list argument, e.g. (rm[force] file1 file2 ..)
<semz> Keyword arguments usually play that role
<rendar> how they are specified, usually?
<pjb> rendar: you can use &rest args and parse them yourself.
<pjb> (when (string= (first args) "--force") (setf force t) (pop args)) …
<rendar> pjb, i know, like the unix rm does, but i was thinking to something more deep: attaching data to every list's argument
<pjb> then attach data to every list argument.
<rendar> pjb, how?
<pjb> I don't know what that means, but you can do it.
<pjb> how do you attach data to data?
<rendar> pbj for instance, (rm[force] file1 file2) i'm specifying some information to the first arg here
<rendar> or, (rm[force] file1[ignore_if_not_exist] file2)
<pjb> rendar: well, if you want to be able to specify your parser with such concise notation, you can do it too.
<rendar> yeah
<rendar> but what you think about it? i wish some feedback before doing something stupid
<pjb> (destructuring-arguments (&optional (force (eql force)) file1 file2) args …)
<pjb> you can write a macro similar to destructuring-bind with your own features and syntax.
<hayley> (defun rm (files &key (force nil)) ...) (rm '("/") :force t)
<rendar> pjb, i see, i'm too lame for that for now
<pjb> CL provides you with a standard syntax for lambda-list. If you don't like it, just use &rest args, and write your own parser.
<rendar> well i'm writing a very minimal lisp interpreter
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<hayley> How is any other way of specifying optional arguments more minimal?
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<rendar> hayley, let me explain, i'm writing a very minimal lisp interpreter, and my idea is to specify per-token options, e.g. (store a 123[i32])
<rendar> in this way the computer knows that 123 should be interpreted as a 32-bit integer
<jackdaniel> that sounds super complicated
<rendar> how is that super complicated?
<jackdaniel> more lispy way would be (store a (i32 123))
<pjb> You need to specify a lisp reader (different from the CL lisp reader), to use postfix [options].
<hayley> Yes, moreso if the interpreter is written in Python, if memory serves me right.
<jackdaniel> well, you have some kind of a postfix notation
<pjb> This lisp reader can read an object, and attach internally some attributes to each such objects.
<pjb> So you need to define an API to set and read those object attributes.
<hayley> Having integers that use modular arithmetic, and not the usual mathematical notion of an "integer", is often harder on the programmer too.
<rendar> i see
<pjb> Yes, it's far from minimal.
<pjb> But whatever.
<rendar> btw, it could also be (store a [i32]1111)
<pjb> With that syntax, you can read a CL lisp reader to do that.
<hayley> Depending on one's idea of "minimal", having multiple different integer types of different sizes is also more complex than just one variable-sized integer type.
<rendar> hayley, but this application requires multiple integers
<pjb> But if you implement it in CL, [i32]1111 cannot return 1111, because there's no way to add attributes to lisp objects. (unless you patch the implementation).
<hayley> What is the application?
<pjb> You will have to return eg. a struct: #S(attributed-object :object 1111 :attributes (i32))
<rendar> pjb, i see
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<pjb> rendar: but if you are writing an implementation, you can do that internally, and just see 1111.
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<pjb> (let ((a (read)) (b (read))) (list a (object-attributes a) b (object-attributes b))) [i32]1111 [i16]1111 --> (1111 (i32) 1111 (i16))
<rendar> but i have multiple attached data, for instance (store a [fmt:base64;size:223]Qaadwvvw==)
<pjb> Now, is (eql [i32]1111 [i16]1111) ?
<rendar> yes
<pjb> (let ((a (read)) (b (read))) (list a (object-attributes a) b (object-attributes b))) [fmt:base64;size:223]1111 [i16]1111 --> (1111 (:fmt base64 :size 223) 1111 (i16))
<jackdaniel> well, either way this channel is about common lisp, minimal lisp interpreters belong to either #lisp or #lispcafe channels
<pjb> Right.
<rendar> you're right, ok
<jackdaniel> great, thank you
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<rendar> so CL like clojure, adopts this notation (:hello world :name John) to have data structures
<pjb> the print and read syntax for structure objects, starts with #S and is followed by a list containing the type of structure, and the fields in this format indeed.
<hayley> You generally don't use property lists for data structures.
<pjb> But this is only the s-expression syntax for structures. Internally, they're implemented efficiently.
<pjb> hayley: the print syntax is similar!
<hayley> I'd still like to know what the application is. (In part because I don't think minimalism should be a goal in itself; it may be a useful property but there is often some other motive in mind.)
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<beach> rendar: You say that you are writing a Lisp interpreter, but in fact the language is different from Lisp. So why are you writing an interpreter, and what makes it a Lisp interpreter? And what is your reason for not using Common Lisp as the language you interpret?
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<rendar> well, let's say its inspired by lisp
<beach> In what way?
<beach> Is it even homoiconic? I mean, if there is anything that I would think would be an absolute necessity, it's that.
<rendar> yes, that's the plan
<beach> The [] brackets made me think not, but I take your word for it.
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<rendar> why not? they just assign some metadata to the token, they don't prevent homiconicity
<beach> I believe you.
<rendar> beach, no, i'm asking it to you
<rendar> how?
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<rendar> beach, consider that i'm very new to lisp, so whatever you have to say will help me to learn more
<beach> I didn't have anything particular in mind. Whether it can still be homoiconic depends on what those brackets mean, which is information that I don't have. So I take your word for it.
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<rendar> beach, well, inside the brackets there will be metadata to help understand the list's item more
<beach> OK.
<rendar> for instance (store a AAsddf323[format:base64;size:1122])
<rendar> you're telling that data of that particular item, is specified as base64, and has a certain size
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<rendar> beach, so, it helps the interpreter to interpret that single item better internally, and with this you can also pass optional arguments to functions.. do you see any homoiconicity prevention with this?
<beach> No I don't.
<rendar> thanks
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<Josh_2> Good Morning :sunglasses:
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<rendar> why do i get this error? https://bpa.st/2S2Q -- but it sets 'a' anyway
<dbotton> it is an sbcl warning not an error
<dbotton> do a defparameter first
<dbotton> for defvar
<dbotton> sorry or defvar
<rendar> ok
<beach> rendar: Assigning to an undefined variable is undefined behavior.
<beach> So it is not conforming code to do that. SBCL (unfortunately) creates the variable for you, and issues a warning.
<beach> rendar: SETQ does not create variables. It is an assignment operator.
<beach> As dbotton said, use DEFVAR or DEFPARAMETER to create special variables. Better yet, use LET etc. to create lexical variables.
<pjb> It's funny, I believe we already said that to rendar yesterday…
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<beach> Oh? I missed it.
<dbotton> most books beach assume that there is no need to define the vars
<pjb> perhaps it was to somebody else.
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<beach> dbotton: I am sorry to hear that. Because then the books are not describing the Common Lisp language correctly.
<beach> And in fact, many examples in the Common Lisp HyperSpec also use SETQ directly. But then, examples are not normative, and it is clear that they were not worked on enough.
<pjb> They're not self-sufficient chunks of code. They assume the reader understands that.
<beach> Yeah, there is that. Still, it is not great.
<dbotton> pjb I am not convinced that they assumed the reader understands, it seems most lisps were ok with it
<dbotton> Maybe sbcl should say something on first warning about it
<dbotton> when it comes from the REPL
<dbotton> as it seems to be everyone's first "bug"
<dbotton> including my own
<beach> dbotton: It is a bad idea to allow such things, and we have learned this over the years. A simple typo can create hours of debugging.
<dbotton> agreed
<beach> dbotton: A similar situation is to automatically create a generic function when a DEFMETHOD form with an unknown name is seen.
<dbotton> agreed was just thinking that
<beach> But this latter case is unfortunately defined by the standard.
<beach> So only a style warning is justified.
<AadVersteden[m]> It is handy when doing quick and dirty experimentation on the repl. I like the way it works with warnings. Warnings are real warnings with SBCL.
<beach> AadVersteden[m]: Why is it more "handy" to do SETF than DEFPARA
<beach> METER
<beach> ?
<beach> AadVersteden[m]: If you just get into the habit of using DEFPARAMETER instead, then you get the same effect, AND your code is conforming.
<AadVersteden[m]> I rarely ever do that, but for generic functions it can be nice.
<beach> AadVersteden[m]: It is a trade-off as usual. Quick to do sometimes, hours of wasted debugging time some other times.
<AadVersteden[m]> I can imagine other people sharing a different opinion, especially due to the length difference between setf and defparameter (which is silly, I know, but some people seem to have their keyboard in a time dilation field)
<dbotton> Is there a common object database solution being used these days with CL? Or other non-traditional database?
<beach> Define an Emacs abbrev "dp" for DEFPARAMETER then.
<Fade> yasnippets are your friend.
<AadVersteden[m]> It's probably in the spec for compatibility with other lisps, I guessed. For setf that is, for implied defgeneric: no clue.
<Fade> calling setq on an indeclared variable seemed to be the style in the seventies in the maclisp days.
<Fade> I tend to view pretty much all uses of setq in real code as archaic at best, but a smell for sure.
<AadVersteden[m]> dbotton: I constructed some approaches. The broader ecosystem has some interesting approaches. Much would depend on what you're looking for.
<beach> Fade: Sure, but SETF is also not allowed on undefined variables.
<Fade> s/ind/und
<dbotton> <AadVersteden[m]> commonly used
<beach> Fade: And yes, that's what I meant by us having learned over time.
* Fade nods
<dbotton> Like AllegroCache I presume
<Fade> I do, however, remember being annoyed by the sbcl warning when I was learning CL
<Fade> because a lot of the pedagogical material at the time used the old style.
<Fade> that shouldn't be much of a problem, now.
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<dbotton> Anyone have experience with BKNR?
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<Josh_2> yes
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<dbotton> did it work well? Is there an automatic persistence to disk? ever have data loss issues?
<beach> dbotton: Often, I just use PRINT with a special syntax for instances of standard classes, so that I can use READ to read back my entire data structure of the application model.
<beach> That idea might not be acceptable to you of course.
<AadVersteden[m]> <dbotton> "did it work well? Is there an..." <- used it, was fun. Worked. Built something else later.
<dbotton> beach have an example of it easily available?
<beach> I do, but dinner is imminent here. Maybe hayley or Bike can help. We use this system for external representations of ASTs in SICL.
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<dbotton> thanks
<Josh_2> Yes I often have data loss issues
<Josh_2> You have to be very liberal with your use of #'snapshot and restore
<Josh_2> otherwise you may make a change to a class definition and nuke your entire database in one go...
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<dbotton> thanks Josh_2
<Josh_2> I have also found a bug with bknr where previous instances stored in the db do not take a slots :initform when you add new slots to an already existing class
<Josh_2> which is annoying
<Josh_2> I dont think i'm going to use bknr anymore
<Josh_2> I think for a persistence library for a program like Nyxt then I think it would fit perfectly
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<nij-> When an error is signaled and unhandled, a debugger is invoked. Backtrace could sometimes be helpful, but not always. For example, the experience today is that the backtrace skips so many steps.. and to manually find out what the problem is it took me one hour.
<nij-> Given the rant, the question is why is this the case? Is it a hard problem to make the backtrace better and more informative?
<White_Flame> do you have a bunch of tail calls?
<White_Flame> try setting debug to 3
<nij-> What is a tail call?
<White_Flame> (defun a () (foo) (bar) b) (defun b () (baz) (bort))
<Bike> arranging good backtrace info can be kind of an ordeal for an implementer, it's true. and a lot of optimizations (or really, most) eliminate stuff you'd want to keep for debugging. but probably you had a low debug setting and so it didn't save all possible debug information.
<White_Flame> when A calls B, that's a tail call (eg, wont' return back to A), so A's stack frame can just be replaced by B's and isnt' noticeable anymore
<nij-> In principle, for any thread at any time, a function calls a function and so on.. so isn't it in general possible to have the backtrace to have every function which is now on the stack?
<White_Flame> a tail call reduces to just a cheap jump and a little stack shuffling
<White_Flame> especially when you're recursing
<nij-> White_Flame Is there a way to "turn off" that optimization, just for a faster debugging experience?
<nij-> And yes, I think there are many tail calls.
<Bike> try setting debug to 3
<Bike> (declare (optimize debug))
<White_Flame> debug 3 should likely turn it off, maybe set speed to 1 or 0
<nij-> (declare (optimize debug 3))?
<White_Flame> parens around (debug 3)
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<Bike> (declare (optimize (debug 3))) will also work
<nij-> What's the default value, and how to check the current debug value?
<Bike> (optimize debug) is short for (optimize (debug 3))
<White_Flame> default for everything is 1
<nij-> ;; = > the function #'declare doesn't exist
<nij-> I did that in a slynk server (repl) :D
<Bike> clhs declare
<Bike> it is not a function
<nij-> Yeah.. how to set it in a repl then?
<Bike> white flame and i meant for you to put the declaration wherever the lack of info is causing problems
<Bike> if you want to set it globally, (declaim (optimize debug))
<nij-> OH :'( I cannot set it globally for a running LISP?
<nij-> ah ha
<Bike> but using declarations let you do it more selectively
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<White_Flame> if you set it globally, it will affect all library code you load after that, etc
<White_Flame> which is why it's normally scoped
<nij-> WOW Indeed :D :D :D
<nij-> I'm glad I spent one hour to learn this lesson. Thank you folks! I can foresee this saving me at least 100 hours in my life.
<nij-> I did it manually.. and now the backtrace show them all lolll
<White_Flame> oh, and there's always TRACE
<nij-> How :D It's a great timing to play with it.
<Josh_2> nij-: if you are using SBCL you can add these declarations into your .sbclrc
<White_Flame> (trace <funcname>)
<nij-> Josh_2 How much will it slow down?
<White_Flame> it'll print (indentedly when nesting) all entries/exits with values
<White_Flame> and untrace to stop
<Josh_2> (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'safety 3 3) (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 3 3) :sunglasses:
<Josh_2> speed 0 ofc
<Bike> like i said, a lot of useful optimizations will screw things up for a debugger. the basic point of an optimizing compiler is to turn your code into some completely different code that has the same overall effect without actually performing every operation exactly as written
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<Josh_2> You could maintain two versions, a test and a live, in the live you can enable safety 1 etc
<nij-> Thanks folks <3
<Josh_2> its nice to have debug 3 safety 3 when writing programs
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<nij-> What does safety do?
<Josh_2> Check types, and other things
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<Josh_2> its in the CMUCL m
<Josh_2> "How much error checking should be done. If speed, space or compilation-speed is more important than safety, then type checking is weakened (see weakened-type-checks). If safety if 0, then no run time error checking is done. In addition to suppressing type checks, 0 also suppresses argument count checking, unbound-symbol checking and array bounds checks."
<nij-> safety 3 means..? it doesn't check at all?
<nij-> oh
<Nilby> nij-: to rebuild a system with debugging on: (uiop/lisp-build:with-optimization-settings ('((debug 3) (speed 0))) (asdf-load :your-system-name :force t))
<nij-> so conclusion: while programming, set debug and safety to 3, and speed to 0.
<White_Flame> I tend to make macros for things, so I can set a flag, which will generate my declarations one way or the other
<Josh_2> My live systems are also built on this machine so even they have safety 3 speed 0
<Josh_2> :shrug:
<nij-> live system?
<Josh_2> Yes systems that are deployed and in use by people
<Josh_2> not development versions
<hexology> do you use some kind of cross compilation, or do you develop on the same os that you deploy on?
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<Josh_2> enabling safety 3 debug 3 initially caused me some issues because I was setting slots to incorrect types, but because of the sbcl defaults this was ignored
<hexology> im also very curious what people use lisp for in production nowadays. id have a very hard time convincing a manager to let me use lisp at work, even if its something i solely maintain!
<Josh_2> hexology: My machine and my VPS are both linux, not the exact same OS though
<nij-> hexology Have you tried writing codes in lisp, and write wrappers for other people to use?
<hexology> Josh_2: makes sense, i guess linux + x86 is pretty much standard
<nij-> You can now deploy lisp codes as C libs easily.
<hexology> nij-: i have not, that's very interesting
<nij-> haven't used it though.. but it seems to be in production use
<nij-> stylewarning is the team lead i guess
<nij-> iirc
<hexology> so instead of an executable it produces a shared library and you can call individual functions therein
<nij-> yeah I think we need more things like this
<hexology> that actually makes a lot of sense. file size is probably big but file sizes on shared libraries can get pretty big in scientific software anyway
<nij-> disk is cheap
<hexology> yep
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<hexology> im not a numerical computing expert by any means, but id much rather write scientific/numerical code in lisp than in c++
<hexology> even if i intend for it to be wrapped in python
<Josh_2> Lisp is cool :sunglasses:
<seok> You are pretty cool with those shades
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<nij-> So many quant company uses C++ because they are SO FAST (meaning, faster than python).
<nij-> I wonder if we can use lisp over C++ for that purpose. Any thought?
<Josh_2> Ofcourse
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<Josh_2> Clojure is big in fintech
<hexology> clojure? thats surprising to hear
<hexology> it's used in actual quant stuff? or in other systems?
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<Bike> a while ago a quant consulted with me a bit about how to improve clojure's compiler to be better at arithmetic like common lisp is.
<Josh_2> As far as I'm aware they were using Clojure top to the bottom with a tiny amount of C here and there
<Josh_2> Ofcourse they were paying big bucks for a commercial implementation of the JVM
<hexology> thats interesting, i thought the jvm was known to only be so-so for numerical computing
<Bike> the general impression i got from him was that as far as actual numerical performance goes, clojure is middling to terrible, indeed.
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<Bike> but this is apparently not always a big deal for fintech.
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<White_Flame> depending on the trader, fintech often does not do a lot of math
<White_Flame> many of the algos are very simple accumulators and looking for trigger conditions & thresholds
<Josh_2> I do not think that my frens business was numerically intensive, it was more about placing orders in the right place at the right time as fast as possible
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<nij-> But I think it'd be more practical to export lisp code as C(++) libs.
<nij-> Most big players out there still use C++.
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<nij-> You either pick a lisp team, convert your c team into a lisp team, or export your lisp code to C++ libs.
<nij-> The latest sounds the most achievable to me.
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<hexology> im still a bit surprised that they went for clojure and not lisp
<hexology> not that i have anything against clojure
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<nij-> why not clojure? it has a java vm
<drakonis> the biggest fintech that uses clojure is nubank
<drakonis> in fact, they own cognitect
<drakonis> clojure gets chosen largely due to java interop
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<yitzi> Why not ABCL then?
<nij-> what's cool about abcl? yitzi
<yitzi> Its Common Lisp, what more does it need? ;-)
<nij-> Oh, it also runs in the JVM :O :O
<yitzi> Yep
<seok> Josh_2 ah it was when I wanted to map to the method and wasn't sure whether you could map to a macro
<seok> I remembered
<seok> so I wanted it to be a function
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<Josh_2> seok: methods are also objects so you could push the method to a list
<Josh_2> or put it under a key in a hash-table so you can refer to the method later :shrug:
<Josh_2> (defmethod test (a)) => #<standard-method ...::test (T) ..>
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<Fade> perhaps an op can bounce nij_
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<White_Flame> nij_: fix thy internetz
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<White_Flame> nij-: fix thy internetz
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<Shinmera> yaaay http://blog.quicklisp.org
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<Bike> eck.
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<Bike> hopefully will be resolved by tomorrow
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