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<hashfunc1ebd> so i'm not quite able to put everything together
<rotateq> hashfunc1ebd: So do you want vectors with a fixed dimension or that can grow?
<rotateq> Yes that's why it's now important to me getting more information.
<hashfunc1ebd> rotateq: i'm trying to get it to work with ones that can grow
<rotateq> Okay.
<hashfunc1ebd> (setf bv (make-array 10 :element-type 'bit-vector :initial-element 1 :adjustable t :fill-pointer 10))
<hashfunc1ebd> (vector-push 0 bv)
<hashfunc1ebd> doesn't work for me
<hashfunc1ebd> the vector doesn't seem to be growing
<rotateq> So you would use (make-array dimension :element-type 'bit :adjustable t :fill-pointer t) and maybe with :initial-contents xor :initial-element too.
<rotateq> No for that you need VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND.
<hashfunc1ebd> ohh
<hashfunc1ebd> i'll give that a go
<rotateq> :)
<hashfunc1ebd> that's perfect
<hashfunc1ebd> works like a charm
<hashfunc1ebd> rotateq: thanks
<rotateq> And the `:fill-pointer t` sets it automatically to the specified dimension if you want to start from there.
<rotateq> That's great. And beware, that to set bits via SETF you need BIT rather than SBIT, cause now it's really a BIT-VECTOR and not a SIMPLE-BIT-VECTOR.
<rotateq> But you can of course use AREF too if unsure.
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<hashfunc1ebd> how can i formulate my type-specifier to allow it to be an extensible 'BIT-VECTOR
<rotateq> Again I would need more information. :)
<hashfunc1ebd> for example: (MAP '(VECTOR BIT :ADJUSTABLE T :FILL-POINTER T) ...)
<rotateq> The type BIT-VECTOR already covers the extensible ones.
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<rotateq> Ah that.
<hashfunc1ebd> using: (MAP 'BIT-VECTOR ...) i can't use VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND to add elements to it
<rotateq> With the one that comes out you mean?
<hashfunc1ebd> yes exactly
<rotateq> You can use a LET form and in that MAP-INTO.
<hashfunc1ebd> ah ok, i'll give that a go
<rotateq> (let ((bv (make-array dimension :element-type 'bit :adjustable t :fill-pointer t))) (map-into bv function ...))
<rotateq> So MAP-INTO modifies the result-sequence inplace rather than creates a new one.
<rotateq> What I meant before was that if you would have a (check-type bv bit-vector) at some point it would pass for adjustable ones too.
<hashfunc1ebd> rotateq: MAP-INTO works awesome. thanks for the help
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<rotateq> I'm happy I can be of valuable help sometimes. And excuse if some things I said turn out not to be 100% correct with all details.
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<hashfunc1ebd> rotateq: no worries at all. any pointing to the right direction is always valuable
<hashfunc1ebd> i'm stuck on how to convert an integer to a big endian number in bits
<hashfunc1ebd> so: number => to-big-endian => to-bits
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<hashfunc1ebd> i suppose the best approach would be to: number => to-bit-vector => transform-to-big-endian
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<rotateq> Hm what hashfunc said last, I should go ahead and study differences of little-endian and big-endian. And from what I see from my *FEATURES*, it contains :LITTLE-ENDIAN.
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<mfiano> One more thing:
<mfiano> Sometimes it can be a bit intimidating to post code in a programming channel. If you feel more comfortable asking for help in private, I'd be more than happy to help. I may not immediately respond, but I will when I can. I enjoy helping so it wouldn't be a burden on me. Just try to stay connected to IRC, or use a bouncer.
<mfiano> Ok, I'm really going back to code now.
<rotateq> mfiano: Maybe that should have gone to #clschool?
<mfiano> Oh jeez, yes'
<rotateq> At least I've seen the connection. :)
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<mfiano> Would someone mind looking at a real abomination of a function I wrote (I'm just trying to get the logic to work before I break it up and refactor it)?
<mfiano> Applicants must not be afraid of a little tagbody/go :)
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<jackdaniel> β„…non-local-go, %continuation-case
<mfiano> Um?
<jackdaniel> semirandom joke
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<mfiano> jackdaniel: This might be up your alley. text rendering
<jackdaniel> inside joke with a circle composed of one person ;)
<jackdaniel> im not anywhere near a computer and pkaying with the little one
<mfiano> Well, guess I'm on my own for a late night debugging session again
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<Sankalp> Hi folks
<Sankalp> Just learnt about Alive from the IRC topic (cl-cookbook)
<Sankalp> Thanks so much for that
<Sankalp> I was using slime with emacs so far
<Sankalp> I'm more used to vscode, not that I dislike emacs or anything :D
<mfiano> Ok, that wasn't so bad. I got it fixed: https://img.mfiano.net/oFOxgn.png
<mfiano> Now to clean up this monstrosity.
<beach> Hello Sankalp.
<Sankalp> Hi beach!
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<contrapunctus> Sankalp: hello from Delhi πŸ™‚
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<Sankalp> contrapunctus: Hello from Mysuru! =)
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<rotateq> Sankalp: Oh I have to look up where that is.
<Sankalp> rotateq: It's in India
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<rotateq> Yes I see it now on OSM, south India, so in the area where Ramanujan used to live.
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<Sankalp> Yes, indeed. Ramanujan was also from south India
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<rotateq> Good to see CL is everywhere in the world.
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<Sankalp> <3 for parentheses
<rotateq> He would have liked it too as it's also about symbolic computing heavily.
<Sankalp> True true
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<Andrew> Any recommendations for a Python-Trio-like async package (preferrably in ASDF)?
<Andrew> i.e. nurseries instead of callback functions
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<lisp123> string to date conversions
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<lisp123> contrapunctus: Looks like it, thanks
<lisp123> p.s. Eric Naggum wrote hyperspec.el, so everytime we lookup some term in clhs, we honor his memory
<contrapunctus> lisp123: specifically `local-time:parse-timestring` and `local-time:format-timestring` might be what you're after
<lisp123> contrapunctus: thanks
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<Andrew> ()
<admich1> There is also a library called chronicity that is able to parse natural language (enhlish) to date
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<lisp123> admich1: Thanks
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<ksp> does anyone know how to use format with a list of strings and have a seperator between them?
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<ksp> so '(foo bar baz) becomes "foo,bar,baz"
<_death> clhs ~{
<ksp> im doing ~{~a,~} right now but it leaves a seperator at the end "foo,bar,baz,"
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<_death> see text about the ~^ directive
<ksp> clhs ~^
<rotateq> Yeah so "~{~a~^, ~}" may be what you want.
<ksp> thanks
<ksp> it works
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<rotateq> It seems in English countings like "1, 2, and 3" are with comma at the end too, in German we do "1, 2 und 3".
<beach> It varies between countries and regions.
<rotateq> Yes okay.
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<Oladon> That last comma (in English) is called an "Oxford" comma. There's a whole subculturewar about whether or not it should be used :D
<rotateq> I've seen it the first time explicitely and realized when reading in 'The TeXbook' by Don Knuth.
<Oladon> (Compare: "He went to a party with the strippers, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs" versus "He went to a party with the strippers, Bill Gates, and Steve Jobs")
<rotateq> That's one of those examples, commata save lifes. :)
<Oladon> I tend to think so!
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<jackdaniel> is picking only strippers an option?
<rotateq> jackdaniel: But, but, the others can tell you how to write an operating system and how to design the look of your computer.
<jackdaniel> I have a strong conviction that most of it is marketing bullshit and brilliant engineers who were not /them/ ;)
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<rotateq> Okay, no doubt that in the group of the other people they won't be able to do so!
<jackdaniel> but sure, I'm jelly so
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<contrapunctus> `(loop for i to 10 when (evenp i) collect it)` => `(T T T T T T)`
<contrapunctus> `(loop for i to 10 when (evenp i) collect (list it))` => `The variable IT is unbound.`
<contrapunctus> :|
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<rotateq> contrapunctus: So in the former you have an IT defined, or not?
<contrapunctus> I don't. It's just the inconsistency that one can refer to IT by itself, but not inside a Lisp expression...
<rotateq> And what shall IT then be?
<contrapunctus> rotateq: the result of `(evenp i)`
<_death> ITERATE does it differently
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<rotateq> Yes sounds inconsistent (for MIT LOOP) and also that it accepts (loop for i to 10 ...) as valid.
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<Alfr> rotateq, what's wrong with "for i to 10"?
<rotateq> It's unclear. But ok, with below one can argue also this way.
<_death> hmm, I remembered it wrong.. ITERATE indeed "does" it differently, in that it doesn't explicitly support it.. you could of course do something like (iter (for i from 1 to 10) (awhen (evenp i) (collect it)))
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<contrapunctus> ah, heh
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<Nilby> if β€˜it’ was a bound variable instead of loop keyword, you'd have to remember to potentially guard against it in every macro involving loop, even if you never use β€˜it’
<blihp> What's the best way to get blocking behavior when reading line-by-line from a file? (i.e. similar to tail -f on a logfile)
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<Nilby> just sleep and re-read
<_death> read-line is blocking.. you can use read-char-no-hang and unread-char if you just want to probe
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<blihp> hmm... if I do read-line when at eof I get an END-OF-FILE condition when what I want it to do is wait for the next line to be written to the file
<blihp> Nilby: the problem with polling is overhead and/or latency
<mfiano> Why not use a stream over the file?
<Nilby> unix tail command just does just does sleep and read
<_death> sure, you can see the exceptional situations section in the clhs entry.. you can pass false for eof-error-p to have it return instead of signal an error.. if polling is a problem then you probably want an event-based library like, say, iolib
<Nilby> you can just do: (loop :with line :do (if (setf line (read-line stream nil)) (write-line line *standard-output*) (sleep .2)))
<Nilby> if you want to work on tty devices on unix which don't get eof when reading from the end you can just add a (listen stream) before reading
<Nilby> interactive-stream-p might be able to tell you if it's a tty
<blihp> thanks... it's just a (log) file. I guess I can play around with some sleep values and see if I can get decent balance. Mainly I was wondering if there already existed a canonical way of doing this but it sounds like I'd need to roll my own using something like iolib if needed.
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<Shinmera> I guess you could use https://github.com/shinmera/file-notify
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<ksp> hello
<ksp> so im defining a macro with unbackquoted macro calls inside
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<ksp> macroexpandding the macro im calling works fine
<ksp> but when i call the main macro i get nothing
<ksp> is this even meant to work
<pjb> ksp: without code, we cannot debug.
<ksp> im tired anyways
<ksp> ill get some sleep and fix it tommorow
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<blihp> Shinmera: thanks for the tip. It's (inotify) is probably a bit heavy for this but I can definitely see using this for other things
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<blihp> heh... love the commit comments
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