#commonlisp on 2022-03-24 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

2022-03-18 12:11 jackdaniel changed the topic of #commonlisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | Wiki: <https://www.cliki.net> | IRC Logs: <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp> | Cookbook: <https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook> | Pastebin: <https://plaster.tymoon.eu/> | News: ELS'22 this Monday (2022-03-21), see https://european-lisp-symposium.org

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01:06 <unixlisp> scymtym: I checked the log, thanks for the reply. For me, the old beirc donot work (there is fatal bug).

01:06 <Colleen> unixlisp: scymtym said 14 hours, 23 minutes ago: it is unfinished and unpublished. if you just want to get an idea of what it will be like, i can post a screenshot later

01:10 <unixlisp> I hope the new beirc is stable and reliable, not necessary feature rich, but usable.

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01:17 <dbotton> I have neem trying different things, but can't figure how to access the report string from a define-condition in a handler-case

01:18 <dbotton> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hqQleRsR/

01:18 <dbotton> it seems from clhs that this should do it

01:19 <dbotton> but does not

01:23 <pillton> Try binding *print-escape* to NIL.

01:24 * pillton is now trying to figure out if T is a valid stream argument for PRINT-OBJECT.

01:26 <_death> you shouldn't call print-object anyway.. instead you can princ or format

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01:26 <sm2n> is there a way to have a lexically scoped method a la flet?

01:30 <_death> not in CL.. there was a WITH-ADDED-METHODS but it didn't survive

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01:37 <dbotton> so if you do a defmethod inside of a lexical scope, I know works, but those methods or top-level?

01:39 <_death> according to http://clhs.lisp.se/Issues/iss181_w.htm with-added-methods didn't allow extending a global gf

01:40 <_death> dbotton: defmethod affects the global gf.. that it can refer to some lexical environment is beside the point

01:41 <dbotton> ok

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01:44 <_death> you could have some operator that does add-method/remove-method, I guess.. but it would affect other threads for instance

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01:48 <dbotton> princ worked perfect (and so did *print-escape* if using (*standard-output*))

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01:51 <_death> sm2n: but maybe what you're really after can be found in, say, contextl

01:56 <zacque> Hi, can `format` be used to pretty print a list recursively?

01:57 <zacque> Erm... I meant whether the format directives powerful enough to pretty print an arbitrary nested list

01:58 <zacque> E.g. print '(a b c) or '(a b (c d e) ((f))) into some format like back to itself "(a b c)" and "(a b (c d e) ((f)))".

01:59 <zacque> Or do I need to define a custom function to traverse and print the list?

02:00 <_death> (format t "~S" '(a b (c d e) ((f))))

02:01 <zacque> _death: Lol, that only works for the very specific example given

02:01 <zacque> What if I want something like "(a,b,c)" and "(a,b,(c,d,e),((f)))"?

02:03 <_death> it supports iteration with ~{ and can interpret more control strings using ~? but it wouldn't be great to use it for that kind of job

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02:05 <_death> instead you can use pretty-printer operators (some of which are also available as format directives)

02:07 <zacque> -? seems close but not quite

02:08 <zacque> ~{ can handle a uniform structured list well, but what I've in mind is in fact a tree represented by a list

02:09 <zacque> Oh, maybe my question should be: whether `format` can be used to print out an arbitrary tree represented by a list?

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02:10 <_death> it probably can but you need to prepare your inputs accordingly, to the point where it's not worth it

02:11 <_death> better to just use plain lisp.. or some operator that's more fit to purpose (as hinted by http://cs-www.cs.yale.edu/homes/dvm/format-stinks.html )

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02:36 <zacque> _death: Thanks for the article, but I like the compactness of format's control-string at the moment

02:37 <zacque> An interesting read: https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/1039991.1039996

02:38 <zacque> It's about how one can "pretty-print" an S-exp into a Pascal code using the pretty-printing facilities + format

02:39 <_death> right.. another example is http://norvig.com/ltd/doc/ltd.html

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02:43 <zacque> Ha! That's interesting to me

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03:21 <hashfunc569> is there a simple strategy/idiom for seeing if a hash table contains at least one specific element without having to use MAPHASH. like for example, in pseudo-code: (EXISTS-IN-HASH-TABLE :KEY 'ANY :VALUE #'EVENP MY-HASH-TABLE) => T OR => NIL

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03:27 <_death> you can iterate through a hash-table using loop as well, or with-hash-table-iterator.. but these are all linear scans

03:28 <hashfunc569> _death: ok thanks. i'll probably have to use loop

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06:12 <Josh_2> Good morning

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07:06 <beach> Good morning everyone!

07:18 <zacque> Morning

07:18 <zacque> Does anyone have success using trivia.quasiquote package?

07:18 <zacque> Not sure why following the doc example doesn't work: https://paste.debian.net/1235417/

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07:45 <Josh_2> zacque: Match is part of the trivia package, try (ql:quickload :trivia) (trivia:match ..)

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07:52 <zacque> Josh_2: Ah, forgot about that :facepalm:

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07:52 <zacque> Thanks you

07:53 <zacque> Didn't realise the error is about that as well

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07:56 <zacque> I meant using `trivia:match` solves the problem

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09:06 <phoe> when uploading a file via clack, how does one force it to open a character stream rather than a byte stream?

09:10 <stylewarning> are the els22 draft proceedings anywhere?

09:11 <phoe> stylewarning: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-eCXl56z_zIJE_0WTHStejgRup0ti9YM/view is a link from Jim, and these are preliminary

09:15 <Josh_2> phoe: are you using clack alone or ningle?

09:18 <Josh_2> With ningle you can override the http-body:parse function and that will disable parsing, then you can handle the raw-body yourself

09:20 <stylewarning> phoe: thanks!

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09:23 <phoe> seems like clack alone

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11:29 <antoszka> Guys, anybody bumped into `EFAULT OSICAT-POSIX::%IOCTL-WITH-ARG 14 :EFAULT "Bad address"` when running OSICAT on Apple M1 (trying to run LINEDIT)

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11:49 <sm2n> _death: context1? with-added-methods looks like what I wanted, or at least the original intent, apparently. "With-added-methods had the flaw that it did not allow one to extend a global generic function within its dynamic extent, which I believe was the intent of its proposer." <- this is exactly what I want to do

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13:01 <Bike> sm2n: https://github.com/pcostanza/contextl lets you give classes more slots and functions more methods within the dynamic extent of a "layer"

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14:07 <dbotton> phoe I have a sample converts the stream to utf-8

14:07 <dbotton> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jlG0qfha/

14:07 <dbotton> sorry wrong paste

14:07 <dbotton> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3KeIV2zh/

14:10 <jimka2001> hey did anyone take a nice picture of porto that I can use (without giving anybody any credit) for the proceedings? If you have a picture you can give me I just need one more.

14:10 <dbotton> that is for the mutlipart item

14:12 <phoe> dbotton: oh, using a flex stream

14:12 <phoe> I guess that works!

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14:18 <jimka2001> BTW, I finally found a picture of my own I can use. Thanks anyone who was trying to find me one.

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16:38 <sm2n> Bike: thanks!

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